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PSU2, I think your logic is sound, but it seems to me that many who have dedicated their whole lives to this sort of thing will say and do anything if the $$$$$ is right!
We know this to be true. Here is a link from Vanity Fair, it really isn't disputed today, discussing how the "Wuhan lab leak theory" was spiked. Not only was it spiked, but suggesting COVID-19 started in a Chinese lab would get you deplatformed (you'd be banned and not allowed to post anything at all). Some people lost their jobs. You'd be made fun of on late-night talk shows and more.

If you don't have the time to read it, here is the main passage. The Lancet, perhaps the most respected medical journal in the world, released a piece that was signed by 27 of the world's highest-regarded scientists not just claiming the lab leak theory to be without merit, but suggesting anyone who talked about it was xenophobic and fostering hate to people of Chinese heritage. Of course, we now know that this theory is not only possible but probable.

Why would these scientists do this without really having the research to back it up? They were told to. A person, a consultant to the govt, was responsible for divvying up and doling out research money from the USA tax payers. This individual was one of the people responsible for funding the Wuhan Lab. He told them to do it and, I am sure, they knew grant money was on the line. So they did it. Worse, there is significant evidence to suggest that Dr. Fauci was one of the many people for the off-shoring gain of function viral research in China (and now, we know, Ukraine after the govt initially claimed it wasn't) because it was illegal to do so in the USA and most other developed nations.

On February 19, 2020, The Lancet, among the most respected and influential medical journals in the world, published a statement that roundly rejected the lab-leak hypothesis, effectively casting it as a xenophobic cousin to climate change denialism and anti-vaxxism. Signed by 27 scientists, the statement expressed “solidarity with all scientists and health professionals in China” and asserted: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.”
The Lancet statement effectively ended the debate over COVID-19’s origins before it began. To Gilles Demaneuf, following along from the sidelines, it was as if it had been “nailed to the church doors,” establishing the natural origin theory as orthodoxy. “Everyone had to follow it. Everyone was intimidated. That set the tone.”
Keep this in mind for the next time that a self-proclaimed "scientist" posts on this board or publishes an article. These people can be bought and paid for. As such, NONE of their research and findings can be credible until many years of usage and documentation has gone by. It is sad but it is true. And this will cost thousands, if not millions, of lives in the future.
 
We know this to be true. Here is a link from Vanity Fair, it really isn't disputed today, discussing how the "Wuhan lab leak theory" was spiked. Not only was it spiked, but suggesting COVID-19 started in a Chinese lab would get you deplatformed (you'd be banned and not allowed to post anything at all). Some people lost their jobs. You'd be made fun of on late-night talk shows and more.

If you don't have the time to read it, here is the main passage. The Lancet, perhaps the most respected medical journal in the world, released a piece that was signed by 27 of the world's highest-regarded scientists not just claiming the lab leak theory to be without merit, but suggesting anyone who talked about it was xenophobic and fostering hate to people of Chinese heritage. Of course, we now know that this theory is not only possible but probable.

Why would these scientists do this without really having the research to back it up? They were told to. A person, a consultant to the govt, was responsible for divvying up and doling out research money from the USA tax payers. This individual was one of the people responsible for funding the Wuhan Lab. He told them to do it and, I am sure, they knew grant money was on the line. So they did it. Worse, there is significant evidence to suggest that Dr. Fauci was one of the many people for the off-shoring gain of function viral research in China (and now, we know, Ukraine after the govt initially claimed it wasn't) because it was illegal to do so in the USA and most other developed nations.

On February 19, 2020, The Lancet, among the most respected and influential medical journals in the world, published a statement that roundly rejected the lab-leak hypothesis, effectively casting it as a xenophobic cousin to climate change denialism and anti-vaxxism. Signed by 27 scientists, the statement expressed “solidarity with all scientists and health professionals in China” and asserted: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.”
The Lancet statement effectively ended the debate over COVID-19’s origins before it began. To Gilles Demaneuf, following along from the sidelines, it was as if it had been “nailed to the church doors,” establishing the natural origin theory as orthodoxy. “Everyone had to follow it. Everyone was intimidated. That set the tone.”
Keep this in mind for the next time that a self-proclaimed "scientist" posts on this board or publishes an article. These people can be bought and paid for. As such, NONE of their research and findings can be credible until many years of usage and documentation has gone by. It is sad but it is true. And this will cost thousands, if not millions, of lives in the future.
It may be even more sinister than a lab leak. It may be an intentional release of the virus. For those that don't know, Christopher Heinz is John Kerry's step-son and Devon Archer is currently in hiding awaiting his testimony to Congress.

 
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I lived it. I saw the many lies over the last few years. I can read spreadsheets. I don’t need known liars telling me what the spreadsheets say.
And there is this:

This is, one prominent US biologist told me, “the biggest scientific scandal of our lifetime”, involving a deliberate attempt to suppress debate on a health catastrophe that killed almost 15 million people in two years. It revolves around a landmark commentary in Nature Medicine stating firmly that the five authors “do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible”. This was published in March 2020 — barely six weeks after the stumbling World Health Organization had declared an international emergency.

Now, hundreds of private messages between four of these five scientists, exchanged as they wrote and published this article, have emerged — and they are astonishing. The “super secret” discussions show this arrogant quartet boasting about success, misleading the media, sneering at journalists and making fun of other experts, even a world-renowned epidemiologist co-opted as the fifth author. They condemn China “for trying to rewrite what happened” and disclose Beijing sequenced the genome for SARS-CoV-2 — the virus that causes Covid — just before the rest of the world discovered from a Taiwanese tip-off that the disease had erupted in Wuhan.

Most significantly, these discussions on Slack expose the quartet’s deep fears that Sars-CoV-2 could have been tied to laboratory research — along with overt signs of pressure from “higher ups” to squash such suggestions. Clearly these scientists were concerned the disease was engineered. They dismiss the well-worn theory about the virus arising in a Wuhan animal market on several occasions, one calling it a “red herring”. Yet they abruptly switched direction in public despite the lack of discernible new evidence. They carried on debating their suspicions in private after the article’s publication — even as they attacked claims about a possible lab leak in public and their statement was used to condemn such “conspiracy theories”.

“Let’s face it, unless there is a whistleblower from the WIV [Wuhan Institute of Virology] who is going to defect and live in the West under a new identity we are NEVER going to know what happened in the lab,” wrote Eddie Holmes, a British virologist based in Australia with strong contacts in China, at one point a month after publication. “That’s my thinking too,” responded lead author Kristian Andersen, a Danish evolutionary biologist — although he admitted that he was “worried” US diplomatic cables showing concerns over biosecurity in Wuhan, which had been disclosed by The Washington Post, “might have something”.
 
Anecdotal evidence is not statistically significant. Also call "trusting science" shit just means you are ignorant. Please come out of the dark ages and take advantage of the the amazing technological wonders of our time. Either that or just move to a cave and stop bothering us.
I trust my body’s natural immune system pal. How many days did you stay home scared of catching a new type of flu! I never missed a day or work, no mask, went out everywhere I could and I am just fine. How many bottles of hand sanitizer did you go through? Loser
 
I trust my body’s natural immune system pal. How many days did you stay home scared of catching a new type of flu! I never missed a day or work, no mask, went out everywhere I could and I am just fine. How many bottles of hand sanitizer did you go through? Loser
This is what the scientists told them. Last week, a bunch of airline pilots who were fired for not getting vaxed were denied their jobs back


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More about the Nature Medicine article and the 5 "scientists" that collaborated on it. @MacNit07 and @Obliviax have already provided much of the info, so I'll quote just a bit of this piece by Michael Barone.

The Proximal Origin of a Scientific Fraud​


It's also a prime example of eminently credentialed and government-subsidized scientists saying the exact opposite of what they believed, in an attempt — successful at the time, but now, three years later, exposed — to deceive the public.

A lab leak origin was quickly dismissed as a "fringe theory" by The Washington Post and a "conspiracy theory" by The New York Times. Those characterizations were attributed to government and government-financed scientists — the same bunch who would shortly produce the "Proximal Origin" paper.

The real conspiracy had roots in a February 2020 conference call led by Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the time, and Dr. Francis Collins, his boss as head of the National Institutes of Health, and including the four scientists who would co-author the "Proximal Origin" paper.

Why the change? As one conference call participant put it, "further debate about" a lab leak would "do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular."


Unstated, but known to every one of the scientists, was that Collins and Fauci had approved cooperation with the Wuhan lab and controlled millions in research dollars coveted by every scientist.

Their intentions were not in doubt. On April 16, Collins told Fauci he hoped "Proximal Origin" would put down "the very destructive conspiracy" of the lab leak theory, and on April 17 Fauci recommended it to reporters as the product of a "group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists," without mentioning his own role.


 
At this point, if you are not at least asking questions, I don’t know what to tell you. And why did these cardiovascular events only start increasing summer of 2021, six months after the vaccine but 1.5 years from COVID arriving in the US? Anyone that thinks that the government has our best interest in mind or that big pharma does not / will not buy / burry / bribe to get their agenda pushed through, is insane. We are conducting the largest human health experiment in the history of the world on our young people and it is disgusting.
 
Ivermectin doesn't work.

Do you mean HCQ? I don't know what HDQ is. HCQ doesn't work either and may actually hurt.

There is some data that vitamin D3 does reduce the severity of Covid. But that's certainly not enough to not have a vaccine. Same thing with Paxlovid (which actually works really well) -- it doesn't mean vaccines aren't needed.
Honest question. Why do you say ivermectin doesn't work, scientifically speaking?
 
Honest question. Why do you say ivermectin doesn't work, scientifically speaking?
Are you asking me why doesn't it work, or are you asking why do I say it doesn't work? The latter is easy (read the paper I provided above); that's what the best available data tells us.

If you are asking why doesn't it work (some have hypothesized that it does), that's trickier (and probably impossible) to answer.
 
I trust my body’s natural immune system pal. How many days did you stay home scared of catching a new type of flu! I never missed a day or work, no mask, went out everywhere I could and I am just fine. How many bottles of hand sanitizer did you go through? Loser
I was definitely not ultra cautious about covid (I am fully vaxxed, but probably wore masks less than most people, and I was one of the first people back in my office when we voluntarily transitioned from fully remote to hybrid. I also never really used hand sanitizer because it was pretty clear early on that "surface contact spread" really wasn't a thing).

By the way, the "new flu" killed about 3 million people worldwide, so some semblance of caution (like getting vaxxed) seems like it was probably a good idea.

 
Why did all these geniuses lie and censor?

1930s Germany has the world’s best scientists and engineers. All peer reviewed if I were to guess. How did that turn out?
What is your evidence that they lied and censored?

Leaping towards 1930s Germany is a weird pathway to go down. What peer reviewed German scientists do you have an issue with?
 
They have failed. Royally

If all of the science is so clear and irrefutable (dare I say peer reviewed), why all the censorship and documented lying by Fauci and company?
Please give specific examples of lying and censorship.

Again, I think people are conflating policy decisions (e.g. "should we require vaccines to attend school") with scientific results ("the vaccines are safe and effective"). The general public can disagree about former (because that's a value judgment/risk analysis) but the latter is vetted in the peer reviewed literature. It is not debated on twitter, youtube or football message boards.

So if you have issues with policy decisions, that's fine. I understand.

But the science is pretty clear and is extremely well studied.
 
Please give specific examples of lying and censorship.

Again, I think people are conflating policy decisions (e.g. "should we require vaccines to attend school") with scientific results ("the vaccines are safe and effective"). The general public can disagree about former (because that's a value judgment/risk analysis) but the latter is vetted in the peer reviewed literature. It is not debated on twitter, youtube or football message boards.

So if you have issues with policy decisions, that's fine. I understand.

But the science is pretty clear and is extremely well studied.
Fauci was just referred for prosecution to the DOJ for lying to Congress a few days ago. There is massive evidence of lying and cover ups available publicly now for those with intellectual honesty through which to comb. It appears that you haven't.

Further, the risk reward for the covid shots has always been negative for the majority of the population. If you were elderly or immunocompromised, it was probably worth a chance. All others, no.
 
Fauci was just referred for prosecution to the DOJ for lying to Congress a few days ago. There is massive evidence of lying and cover ups available publicly now for those with intellectual honesty through which to comb. It appears that you haven't.
Please let me know when charges are filed. Or better yet when he is convicted. Just because Rand Paul says something doesn't make it true. I have not studied the testimony in question in its entirety but I suspect Rand Paul just doesn't understand the topic well enough to interpret what Fauci said in emails or in his testimony.
Further, the risk reward for the covid shots has always been negative for the majority of the population. If you were elderly or immunocompromised, it was probably worth a chance. All others, no.
This is incorrect. Risk from the vaccine is incredibly small. Risk from covid, while lower for younger healthy people, is still significant. Your argument only potentially works if you use death as the only end point, but avoiding getting seriously ill is, for most rational people, a pretty good thing.
 
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Please let me know when charges are filed. Or better yet when he is convicted. Just because Rand Paul says something doesn't make it true. I have not studied the testimony in question in its entirety but I suspect Rand Paul just doesn't understand the topic well enough to interpret what Fauci said in emails or in his testimony.

This is incorrect. Risk from the vaccine is incredibly small. Risk from covid, while lower for younger healthy people, is still significant. Your argument only potentially works if you use death as the only end point, but avoiding getting seriously ill is, for most rational people, a pretty good thing.
1) Democrats will not indict the executioner of their virus plans even with overwhelming evidence. We will not see Fauci held accountable for his crimes against Americans unless Rs win in 2024.

2) Wrong. What is the risk of the COVID shots (it is not a vaccine, it doesn't prevent one from infection. Ask the overwhelmingly high percentage of those who received the shots and still were infected.)? You cannot tell us. There are no long term studies. It was approved with studies on like 8 mice. Show us the results on humans over extended periods. We know that our excess deaths have risen considerably particularly in younger age groups since it was widely used.
 
1) Democrats will not indict the executioner of their virus plans even with overwhelming evidence. We will not see Fauci held accountable for his crimes against Americans unless Rs win in 2024.

2) Wrong. What is the risk of the COVID shots (it is not a vaccine, it doesn't prevent one from infection. Ask the overwhelmingly high percentage of those who received the shots and still were infected.)? You cannot tell us. There are no long term studies. It was approved with studies on like 8 mice. Show us the results on humans over extended periods. We know that our excess deaths have risen considerably particularly in younger age groups since it was widely used.
Ya despite what you may read on twitter or those conspiracy websites the shots were not approved on an 8 mouse study. You stated your wife was in charge of vaccine clinical studies at some time. Maybe you should speak with her an learn how they work.
 
1) Democrats will not indict the executioner of their virus plans even with overwhelming evidence. We will not see Fauci held accountable for his crimes against Americans unless Rs win in 2024.
The idea that the DOJ is partisan is ridiculous. There are tons of Republicans in the DOJ.
2) Wrong. What is the risk of the COVID shots (it is not a vaccine, it doesn't prevent one from infection. Ask the overwhelmingly high percentage of those who received the shots and still were infected.)? You cannot tell us. There are no long term studies. It was approved with studies on like 8 mice. Show us the results on humans over extended periods. We know that our excess deaths have risen considerably particularly in younger age groups since it was widely used.
It absolutely is a vaccine. It improves immune response and decreases the likelihood of serious illness.

To your second point, is you assertion that we should have waited 20 years to see long term studies before authorizing a vaccine that saved millions of lives from a novel viral pandemic? That's a interesting take. Are you equally appalled that there has been no long term testing for 5G wireless?

"We know that our excess deaths have risen considerably particularly in younger age groups since it was widely used."
Please provide a peer reviewed citation for this. This statement is incorrect (or at a minimum there is no demonstrated causality)
 
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Ya despite what you may read on twitter or those conspiracy websites the shots were not approved on an 8 mouse study. You stated your wife was in charge of vaccine clinical studies at some time. Maybe you should speak with her an learn how they work.
Do you understand that emergency measures were approved for rushing these shots to market on emergency use authorization? Normal clinical trial protocol was not required. That should give you pause instead of whatever point you think you are trying to make. And yes, my wife managed clinical studies of a number of flu vaccines (she basically said that they are hit or more often miss on the correct strains) and various other medications for diseases like RA, rare cancers, etc. I think that I know about the process than most do.
 
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The idea that the DOJ is partisan is ridiculous. There are tons of Republicans in the DOJ.

It absolutely is a vaccine. It improves immune response and decreases the likelihood of serious illness.

To your second point, is you assertion that we should have waited 20 years to see long term studies before authorizing a vaccine that saved millions of lives from a novel viral pandemic? That's a interesting take. Are you equally appalled that there has been no long term testing for 5G wireless?

"We know that our excess deaths have risen considerably particularly in younger age groups since it was widely used."
Please provide a peer reviewed citation for this. This statement is incorrect (or at a minimum there is no demonstrated causality)
Just yesterday the DOJ tried to stop Hunter Biden's business partner from testifying before Congress today by issuing a warrant for his arrest. Then when called out on it by the whistleblower's attorney, they backed off. It is the 2nd Biden whistle blower for which they have issued an arrest warrant now. And they aren't partisan? You're a non-thinker.
 
Do you understand that emergency measures were approved for rushing these shots to market on emergency use authorization? Normal clinical trial protocol was not required. That should give you pause instead of whatever point you think you are trying to make.
Yes, your first statement is correct. This was a global health emergency. Again, 3 million people died. Following normal (very conservative) protocols was not the best way to minimize risk. This doesn't mean that ZERO testing was done. Additionally, we have lots of post-hoc data that shows vaccines are safe and effective. Do you want me to send you a list of peer reviewed papers to read?

And yes, my wife managed clinical studies of a number of flu vaccines (she basically said that they are hit or more often miss on the correct strains) and various other medications for diseases like RA, rare cancers, etc. I think that I know about the process than most do.
Yes, viral vaccines are often "hit or miss" because of the rapidity of their evolution (i.e. to different strains). And to some extent we saw that with covid. But the vaccines are still effective against the newer strains especially when looking at severity of illness.
 
Just yesterday the DOJ tried to stop Hunter Biden's business partner from testifying before Congress today by issuing a warrant for his arrest. Then when called out on it by the whistleblower's attorney, they backed off. It is the 2nd Biden whistle blower for which they have issued an arrest warrant now. And they aren't partisan? You're a non-thinker.
You realize that Devon's Archer's arrest warrant is unrelated to Hunter Biden and will not affect his ability to testify right? He committed crimes (fraud, I believe) that have been in appeal for a long time (he should already be in jail).

You immediately try to find conspiracy theories in everything. Trust me when I say that the federal government is not organized enough for these kinds of conspiracies.
 
Yes, your first statement is correct. This was a global health emergency. Again, 3 million people died. Following normal (very conservative) protocols was not the best way to minimize risk. This doesn't mean that ZERO testing was done. Additionally, we have lots of post-hoc data that shows vaccines are safe and effective. Do you want me to send you a list of peer reviewed papers to read?


Yes, viral vaccines are often "hit or miss" because of the rapidity of their evolution (i.e. to different strains). And to some extent we saw that with covid. But the vaccines are still effective against the newer strains especially when looking at severity of illness.
Absolutely wrong. The COVID shots are not effective when looking at severity of illness. The UK had data that was showing a higher rate of hospitalizations amongst those fully vaccinated. Our CDC won't publish that information.
 
....It absolutely is a vaccine. It improves immune response and decreases the likelihood of serious illness....

So does vitamin D3. That doesn't make it a vaccine.

BTW, when again was the definition of "vaccine" changed, and why?
 
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It's testimony by a PhD to the EU Parliament.

I realize that in your reality, if it's censored it can't be "a respected source of information", but try anyway.
Why is it on rumble instead of a more legitimate outlet?

A PhD in what?
 
So does vitamin D3. That doesn't make it a vaccine.

BTW, when again was the definition of "vaccine" changed, and why?
Sigh.

Let's try a little logic lesson here:

All of George Washington is dead, but not all dead people are George Washington.

To dumb it down for you, all vaccines stimulate an immune response but not everything that stimulates an immune response is a vaccine.
 
You realize that Devon's Archer's arrest warrant is unrelated to Hunter Biden and will not affect his ability to testify right? He committed crimes (fraud, I believe) that have been in appeal for a long time (he should already be in jail).

You immediately try to find conspiracy theories in everything. Trust me when I say that the federal government is not organized enough for these kinds of conspiracies.
It's a conspiracy theory when the 2nd whistleblower in the Hunter Biden foreign influence selling investigations is arrested? Both whistleblowers went into hiding and then had an arrest warrant issued before they talked. That's called intimidating a witness. The DOJ is actively colluding to cover up the Biden family crimes. Listen to the testimony today if you are intellectually honest enough. I doubt you will. You are a partisan hack that defends the Alzheimer patient that licks frightened little girls in public while being videotaped as he weakens our Country.
 
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Absolutely wrong. The COVID shots are not effective when looking at severity of illness. The UK had data that was showing a higher rate of hospitalizations amongst those fully vaccinated. Our CDC won't publish that information.
CDC doesn't control publication of scientific information. Not in the US and certainly not in the UK.

Please provide a link to the peer reviewed paper that shows this higher rate of hospitalizations and I would be happy to look at it. I don't think it exists though. Lots of other papers show exactly the opposite.
 
Do you understand that emergency measures were approved for rushing these shots to market on emergency use authorization? Normal clinical trial protocol was not required. That should give you pause instead of whatever point you think you are trying to make. And yes, my wife managed clinical studies of a number of flu vaccines (she basically said that they are hit or more often miss on the correct strains) and various other medications for diseases like RA, rare cancers, etc. I think that I know about the process than most do.
I understand how rushed it was as I've been in this industry for over 30 years. With that said it wasnt approved as you said on an 8 mouse study. There was lots of preclinical and clinical studies conducted and the data wasnt fabricated. Just because it was fast tracked doesnt mean good work wasnt performed. Safety is not an issue
 
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It's a conspiracy theory when the 2nd whistleblower in the Hunter Biden foreign influence selling investigations is arrested. Both whistleblowers went into hiding and then had an arrest warrant issued before they talked. That's called intimidating a witness. The DOJ is actively colluding to cover up the Biden family crimes. Listen to the testimony today if you are intellectually honest enough. I doubt you will. You are a partisan hack that defends the Alzheimer patient that licks frightened little girls in public while being videotaped as he weakens our Country.
I will likely not have time to listen today but will gladly read a transcript if you can provide one.

The DOJ pursuing criminals is not a conspiracy, even though you might like it to be one.

Also, this is WAAAAY off topic and is just you deflecting away from the topic at hand: science of mRNA vaccines. Deflection usually occurs when you run out of coherent arguments to make. The next step is usually personal insults.
 
I understand how rushed it was as I've been in this industry for over 30 years. With that said it wasnt approved as you said on an 8 mouse study. There was lots of preclinical and clinical studies conducted and the data wasnt fabricated. Just because it was fast tracked doesnt mean good work wasnt performed. Safety is not an issue
Well stated. Thank you.
 
I understand how rushed it was as I've been in this industry for over 30 years. With that said it wasnt approved as you said on an 8 mouse study. There was lots of preclinical and clinical studies conducted and the data wasnt fabricated. Just because it was fast tracked doesnt mean good work wasnt performed. Safety is not an issue
Link them
 
I will likely not have time to listen today but will gladly read a transcript if you can provide one.

The DOJ pursuing criminals is not a conspiracy, even though you might like it to be one.

Also, this is WAAAAY off topic and is just you deflecting away from the topic at hand: science of mRNA vaccines. Deflection usually occurs when you run out of coherent arguments to make. The next step is usually personal insults.
You brought the topic up by claiming that the DOJ being partisan is ridiculous. If you didn't want to discuss that, why would you make that point?

Also, no way you are a scientist and posting all day on this forum. I am retired, what's your excuse for showing up and posting every few minutes during normal work hours anytime this topic comes up?
 
You brought the topic up by claiming that the DOJ being partisan is ridiculous. If you didn't want to discuss that, why would you make that point?
You are the one that brought up DOJ. Not me.
Also, no way you are a scientist and posting all day on this forum. I am retired, what's your excuse for showing up and posting every few minutes during normal work hours anytime this topic comes up?
Not sure what you think senior PIs do all day, but I tend to have lots of conference calls. It's quite easy to listen to my call and also make anti-vaxxers look dumb at the same time.
 
...To dumb it down for you, all vaccines stimulate an immune response but not everything that stimulates an immune response is a vaccine.
Then, by using the pre-Woke definition, you would agree that the COVID shots are not vaccines, correct?

BTW, the jabs fit much more into the category of bioweapons than vaccines. And we've got the DARPA receipts (to UNC Chapel Hill) to prove it.
 
You are the one that brought up DOJ. Not me.

Not sure what you think senior PIs do all day, but I tend to have lots of conference calls. It's quite easy to listen to my call and also make anti-vaxxers look dumb at the same time.
1) I brought it up in the context of Fauci. You took it elsewhere.
2) Either you are horrible at your job or you are lying.
 
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