The worst is when the media somehow manage to make the story about themselves
Burroughs drama/Willie wantin' some perspective
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There are literally dozens of fans next to that dip$hit giving JB a standing ovation. Let's be real here. Quit pandering.
The Olympic trials is why I came today. This is just bonus material!
Unfortunate that happend right before nationals. I like the back and forth during that tournament. I think it was because I said "crap" when Johnstownsteel said he was going to post more on themat.comHow was your suspension?
Of all the things over the years that was the feather? Weak
You misspelled "wrestling media."
Nothing wrong with this thread. Stop getting your panties in a bunch. It's a message board for people to state their opinions. Just because you don't agree now it's oooooh this thread is gold lmfao. Save your drama for your Iowa buddies lmfao
Manning is a crybaby and JB is a dick, and I don't give a damn if my own local pastor is their buddy. I always liked Willie Saylor, and am disappointed that he laid into our fans. I'll continue to follow Willie, as he is an excellent commentator for our sport, but this wasn't a good moment for him, or JB, or the few idiots in the crowd that heckled them. With that said, they didn't exactly show any kind of class on their end either.
He didn't just heckle. He heckled because like a lot of people, he took exception to what Burroughs said a month ago. Had Burroughs not made the knee comment, had he not responded to Bo ad hominem, then he
You think if there wasn't a month long build-up and two personal shots at 2 Penn State legends the guy would have said beans?
He went heel and some guy went WWE.
End this thread. Not condoning stupid things said by fans. PSUs showing in the the NCAA finals made a mockery of the competition. If PSU continues to dominate the sport in this fashion, any thing said by a PSU wrestler or fan will get overblown. Take it as a compliment.
I see it's still about you Willie. Please bring up more stuff you're never mentioned in the past as if it's common knowledge. @smalls103
None of us know why this particular individual heckled.
Any comment along these lines is really "why I would've heckled if I were him," or "these are reasons someone in the stands might have heckled."
Maybe… But I think what the guy said was closer to beans than something insulting in the first place. It was all a nothing, no lines crossed but folks wanted to tweet out like it was some giant disrespect to JB.
What are these things you heard at Rec? I’ve been to many more matches than you. I toed the line on the team, and as an opponent. Let’s back up your talk.
Feels a lot like Willie pointing “over there” so we can turn our heads away from the point at hand: what the guy said wasn’t bad last night.
No fanbase is perfect, but what was said in 2014 to someone’s mom changes the irrationality of the media’s response last night and today not at all. You can say the guy did nothing wrong and JB was hurt from losing so he reacted poorly (or his entourage did). It’s really ok.
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When the market's up and your stock is down, it's something to do with the stock?
Did <i>anybody</i> yell <i>at any other wrestler</i>?
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If they did, we wouldn’t know. That’s the entire crux of why this is all so stupid.
And you have lost your mind.
First, could you please stop your let me apologize for Mark Manning's and Jordan Burroughs' boorish little boy bullshyt. Manning acts like a clown and is treated like a circus clown and you lecture this entire board for labeling him a clown. Burroughs has been playing the role of a self-centered jackass and then asks ''oh my God, why are people treating me like I am a self-centered jackass''. Burroughs got the fan reaction he ask for.
Second, I have been to hundreds of Penn State matches going as far back as the 1960s and if you are going to tell me you have routinely heard Penn State wrestling fans say creepy, disgusting, hateful things to visiting athletes I am calling you a liar.
I have no idea why you have some bizarre and strange need to lecture lately, but my God could you put the 12 pack down and try and stay focused and not continually move goalposts or broader and/or deepen the subject pond looking for some silly crap to stick.
Don't wait too long, like waiting for St John to close the gap on DT 😂
Let me say this about Rec Hall. Most of us have been to more matches at Rec Hall than anyone else not in the Penn State media, and our fans are NOT classless and bear ZERO resemblance to Carver.
I remember when wrestling news was hard to find. It’s cool that the small wrestling world has a little Perez Hilton mixed with Morton Downey Jr. type media coverage.
Social media has made a lot of “news” more available but wrestling still seems to drop the ball when it has opportunities like these OTTs to capitalize on gaining a new audience. Tonight’s schedule was brutal and can’t imagine it brought in many new fans. If WBB can have more viewers than MBB for the championship game, wrestling needs to figure it out at the top.
Several posters have said kick the guy out.
What more honesty do you want? To have no idiots at wrestling matches? Several posters have said that there are idiots at every gym. If the goal is no idiots, Godspeed my friend.
But I still think that is all diversion to this event. A guy yelled something innocuous. You think the wrestling community should be better than innocuous. When did y’all get so soft? I’m literally that fan you grow the sport folks want and I’m beginning to think you all just want this to be golf with more bruises. Sorry but that’s not the identity of wrestling or wrestlers.
But you know that, of course. You defended your boy because you had to, and now the implications of it are so ridiculous that you have to keep justifying ridiculous.
The part in bold cannot be underscored enough. I have gone to hundreds of events at Penn State. There is not a more polite fanbase to opposing fans. Willie is lying. We can all opine about the reasons, but the fact he is a liar on this issue should not be dismissed.
I can’t speak to what is/isn’t said. Never been to a wrestling match in SC.
I’m attempting to understand how wrestling wants more fans, but some of the most important folks in the media think it won’t bring in fans that are used to acting like fanatics.
Feels like Augusta National is the goal, which is beautiful and I’ve been to. But I don’t go to Sheetz for filet mignon, and don’t think you’ll ever get a wrestling match without folks being more fanatics than fans.
JB literally engaged in back and forth w CStar about “ending his career”.
CStar’s teammate beats him. Probably ending JB’s career.
Fan yells “your career is ended!”,
OMG how can the fan be so horrible!?!?!!?!
WTF?
CStar’s teammate beats him. Probably ending JB’s career.
Fan yells “your career is ended!”,
OMG how can the fan be so horrible!?!?!!?!
WTF?
Words I generally didn't think I would write-- I agree with Willie 100%. Don't we hold ourselves to a little better standard? Shouldn't we? I was bummed by JB's head shove, I was bummed by the crowd after the Nolf loss. I became a Penn State fan because of the way the wrestlers wrestle and how they behave on the mat. all the JB/Fan stuff was a little cringy this weekend... I think we can all do better...
There’s nothing wrong with holding to a higher standard. I just think there’s a line where you’re trying to hold to an impossible standard.
Look, don’t let Smalls be an illusionist here. If this were 99.9% of wrestlers, he doesn’t tweet a word and no one ever knows it happened. It’s his boy who’s coached by his boys. Again, I wouldn’t say that to a wrestler coming off. I also wouldn’t cover my kids ears.
The response to that is, “Well Burroughs is the goat you don’t treat him like the other 99.9%”. Ok. But my goodness, that’s an opinion, and that’s fine to hold to, but good luck threading that needle of making this anything but a niche sport.
Again- it was ONE fan that yelled your career is ended! Out of the entire BJC- after a month of JB and Co. taking cheap shots at PSU. The fans didn’t start a We Hate- J B chant. Though, that would have made things interesting 😉
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I'm not sure what you mean by after the Nolf loss. What happened? I saw and heard nothing.
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If you believe you can hold individuals to higher standards, good luck with that. I understand what you're saying, but in the end, we're not a police state, and you can't control individual reactions.
As far as someone coming on here, chastising our fan base, then sanctimoniously acting like we need to be better? GTHOOH. Go preach to someone who cares. I've never booed anyone in my life, but we do have a 1st Amendment in this country, and I'm sure as hell not going to blow out of proportion a few fans heckling a wrestler who was an absolute sh&t on the mat. It is what it is, and someone is looking for drama to remain relevant.
The Amish have the shun. The parable of The Lost Sheep teaches a different approach. Two different ways to achieve standards which people believe in.
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