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Cael does not seem particularly happy ...

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Iowa High School wrestling is about as intense as it gets. I'm sure its very similar in PA.

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We could've been more complimentary of those guys.

For example, Stoll had MLB-level command of the ankle straps when throwing them at opponents.
The other thing about Stoll is he could shoot better than any of Iowa's Basketball players.
 
Actually, I bet Cael is less than satisfied with 174 tonight. Finish a couple of those deep shots, and Carter wins by 4 or 5.
Who has taken down Kemerer in the last 2 years? Answer: Starocci......once. Kemdog has been taken down ONCE in the last 2 years. He is clearly in the conversation to win it all. I hope he doesn't but are you going to bet he doesn't make the final? Lets hope Starocci wins at BIGS and then let Mehki and Kem fight it out :) I think there are 5 guys who could fill out the top 4. I'm guessing only these 3 are betting favs to reach the final at NCAAs
 
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Who has taken down Kemerer in the last 2 years? Answer: Starocci......once. Kemdog has been taken down ONCE in the last 2 years. He is clearly in the conversation to win it all. I hope he doesn't but are you going to bet he doesn't make the final? Lets hope Starocci wins at BIGS and then let Mehki and Kem fight it out :) I think there are 5 guys who could fill out the top 4. I'm guessing only these 3 are betting favs to reach the final at NCAAs

Hidlay will have a lot to say about both NCAA seeding and who reaches the finals.
 
Because he'd break into your house at 3 am?

Stoll was the guy who got shot, not the guy who did the shooting.
Sorry, my bad commenting on something I didn't know all the details about. I thought it was an accidental discharge.
 
Sorry, my bad commenting on something I didn't know all the details about. I thought it was an accidental discharge.
Good Lord I hope it was an accidental discharge. It is just the gun was in Vince Turk's control when it went off into Sam Stoll's knee.
 
He is one of the 5. Sadly NC State vs Va. Tech got cancelled. Got to wait until ACCs
Got rescheduled for Feb 21.

 
Mike Z referred to PSU as the third team to enter the party. I would assume he means OKST and Iowa are the other two teams at the party because of their team championships. While I understand the premise, I have to wonder if this matters to recruits or just the fans as a part of their teams sports history. Do recruits really elect to commit to OKST and Iowa because of what that team accomplished many years before their birth?
 
Mike Z referred to PSU as the third team to enter the party. I would assume he means OKST and Iowa are the other two teams at the party because of their team championships. While I understand the premise, I have to wonder if this matters to recruits or just the fans as a part of their teams sports history. Do recruits really elect to commit to OKST and Iowa because of what that team accomplished many years before their birth?
It matters to fans, who make their bank accounts matter which in turn makes it matter to recruits in terms of facilities, coaches and intangibles.

I also think seeing all the trophies and propaganda is a big deal for recruits and parents.

But at the end of the day its a what have you dont lately world and PSU has that cornered.
 
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Mike Z referred to PSU as the third team to enter the party. I would assume he means OKST and Iowa are the other two teams at the party because of their team championships. While I understand the premise, I have to wonder if this matters to recruits or just the fans as a part of their teams sports history. Do recruits really elect to commit to OKST and Iowa because of what that team accomplished many years before their birth?
But he didn't mention what happens when you get asked to leave the party...
 
He took down Sasso last year with an excellent shot, this year, he is afraid to shoot on Murin. Head scratcher
How much more can BB live off on this? I will barf on my computer if this is used again next year because it is getting old.
 
Here, lets spin this another way......and I'm only stating the obvious

24 of the last 46 years have been won by Iowa. 8 of the last 10 have been won by PSU. That's a staggering 32 out of 46 between the two programs. Basically, 70% from 2 programs.

Only Oklahoma State has more NCAA Championships than Iowa, since it began championships, in 1928, at 27. And back in the day, Iowa State had 8 Championships as well.

So the tides have turned........and will likely turn again.

Iowa and Oklahoma State, are still the two most recognized and respected programs in the NCAA's from a Championship standpoint. Undisputable. PSU and Iowa State are the second tier, with PSU potentially continuing their current run.

Iowa will have a say in that.

Mike
Oklahoma State has 34, but none since 2006. Iowa has 24, but 2021 was the first since Cael really got his PSU program rolling in year 2 (2011). Iowa won it the first 3 years under Jim Zalesky and the first 3 years under Tom Brands. PSU is the dominant team this century so far, with Iowa and Okie State second tier.

For us old-timers, sure Iowa and Oklahoma State are the dominant programs. But that is losing relevance with today's recruits.

I think what Penn State has built and is building has legs. Few, if any, kids wrestling today remember Oklahoma State winning titles. Last year's Iowa title team was kind of weak - they won on quantity, but not quality. Penn State was more impressive even as the runner-up.
 
Mike Z referred to PSU as the third team to enter the party. I would assume he means OKST and Iowa are the other two teams at the party because of their team championships. While I understand the premise, I have to wonder if this matters to recruits or just the fans as a part of their teams sports history. Do recruits really elect to commit to OKST and Iowa because of what that team accomplished many years before their birth?
Mike seemed like a nice enough guy. However, the silliness that PSU is the third guy to the party was Mike rationalizing Iowa's significance.

It was pointed out Iowa has won 4 titles in the previous 20 or so years and that Iowa is not the Iowa most Hawkeye fans envision. To equate Iowa to the current PSU Iowa folks need to go back to the mid 70s through 2000 so they can belittle PSU's current dominance. To show how magnanimous they are they include Oklahoma State's pre-post WWII dominance. By including OSU's dominant period, it makes sense to include Iowa's run during the last 25 years of the previous millennium and pretend it is significant in today's world.
 
Let’s put a big, fat, gigantic asterisk up every time we discuss the Dan Gable era*.

As convinced as HR is that Penn State must be cheating, their own sins appear to be known by everyone but them.
 
Oklahoma State has 34, but none since 2006. Iowa has 24, but 2021 was the first since Cael really got his PSU program rolling in year 2 (2011). Iowa won it the first 3 years under Jim Zalesky and the first 3 years under Tom Brands. PSU is the dominant team this century so far, with Iowa and Okie State second tier.

For us old-timers, sure Iowa and Oklahoma State are the dominant programs. But that is losing relevance with today's recruits.

I think what Penn State has built and is building has legs. Few, if any, kids wrestling today remember Oklahoma State winning titles. Last year's Iowa title team was kind of weak - they won on quantity, but not quality. Penn State was more impressive even as the runner-up.
From the perspective of a fan of the program dominating since 2010, I’d say Ohio State has been 2nd best. I’d put Iowa in around 3/4.
 
I think Penn State will continue to dominate unless a Penn State wrestler or group of Penn State wrestlers that are all-timers become the new coaching staff somewhere that is willing to put the resources behind the program.

That’s hard to see happening anytime soon.

But if, for example, Pitt was committed to battling Penn State for wrestling supremacy and hired a staff of something like Cenzo and Nolf, I think they might at least challenge Penn State. Maybe Spencer Lee, with the right assistants, could do it too.

You have to do what Penn State did. Catch fire with a young coach that high schoolers grew up watching, and commit the resources. And then you have to be able to coach.

The more I think about the unique combination of Cael and Penn State, the less likely it seems.
 
Oklahoma State is doing a lot with one hand tied behind their back. Their facilities are way way behind, they don’t commit to a RTC and they aren’t in the Big Ten. They’re really living off John Smith’s free reputation tbh.
 
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There is a comparison. These are anonymous boards after all. I have seen people on this board repeatedly trash The Brands, Ramos, Evans, The Bull, Gilman, DeSanto, Stoll, the Iowa fan base, you name it.. without being called out for it. (Roar and others will call them out occasionally)

The same type of imperfect, judgemental, upset people exist on this board aswell. Just like at HR. That's a fact.

If a couple people say something off the wall on HR, some of you guys repeatedly drag it back here and say "Look what HR just said" as if those couple guys represent all Iowa fans there.

The amount of whining that goes on here about HR is far worse than what people on HR complain about this board. How often do you even see Nittnany Nation/BWI even get brought up over there? And don't say it's because asinine posts don't exist here.

Btw, we are not guilty by association if someone doesn't get called out for a terrible post. It doesn't mean we agree or support what they said. I called out a poster a few years ago for some Sandusky garbage and i got the "get f***ed, you are a Penn State fanboy" response. Wonderful. They did get banned FYI but I'm sure they just came back with a new handle.
Maybe you are missing the how part. If you are telling me the same amount of BS that goes on over there goes on here then you are too far gone to help. I get what you are saying just difference in why the other gets brought up. There are hundreds of examples but if I have to go down that rabbit hole on a Monday morning I'm kicking kittens. By the way that's a figure of speech not meant to be offensive to kicking or to cats lmfao
 
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Unlike JT's first ban, D4 merited the banhammer on HR. Sorry D4, from one banned person to another, you had it coming.
Oh ok I had it coming. My point is that it was far less offensive than most I distinctly remember not believing I would be banned for what I said. It all worked out though I need a break from hr at that time and haven't missed that board since and yes I did say something nice about Marinelli and someone had to come at me out of the side of their neck I responded back and got banned that clown never did get banned because he's an Iowa fan. It is what it is but yes turk I complimented Marinelli.
 
But if, for example, Pitt was committed to battling Penn State for wrestling supremacy and hired a staff of something like Cenzo and Nolf, I think they might at least challenge Penn State. Maybe Spencer Lee, with the right assistants, could do it too.
I'm not sure they are smart enough over there in Pitt Land to figure this out on their own, so lets not put it out there. God Forbid....

.....although, I sure like the idea of Spencer being the next Pitt coach and further relegating Iowa and TnT down the recruiting pecking order another notch. They'd never get another yinzer
 
I'm not sure they are smart enough over there in Pitt Land to figure this out on their own, so lets not put it out there. God Forbid....

.....although, I sure like the idea of Spencer being the next Pitt coach and further relegating Iowa and TnT down the recruiting pecking order another notch. They'd never get another yinzer
My reason for using Pitt was that they have the population and passionate high level WPIAL fan base to pack an arena, especially with a Pittsburgh area legend (e.g. Cenzo) running things.
 
Oklahoma State is doing a lot with one hand tied behind their back. Their facilities are way way behind, they don’t commit to a RTC and they aren’t in the Big Ten. They’re really living off John Smith’s free reputation tbh.
wait a second here....I was just told by Z that Ok State is clearly ahead of us and maybe in the same lane as God Guns and Gable.

What your saying must be misinformation and you should be canceled.
 
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Unlike JT's first ban, D4 merited the banhammer on HR. Sorry D4, from one banned person to another, you had it coming.
What exactly do you feel got me banned. Do you remember what I said. From what I remember it had something to do with corn 🌽 lmfao. I don't remember exactly it's been a while. Just needed a good laugh on a monday
 
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What exactly do you feel got me banned. Do you remember what I said. From what I remember it had something to do with corn 🌽 lmfao. I don't remember exactly it's been a while. Just needed a good laugh on a monday
Since you asked, maybe one of these?

“Whatever bud play your ten year old games. I'm betting everything I have a higher iq than you”

“I made my point I'll be respectful now. It's not about the last word for me it's about making the point that if I come in peace why am I being attacked. It's not gentlemen like anyhow I said my part I'll be respectful”

“Lol it is. I think Iowa ran out of corn they are real jumpy on this board today”

“No genius your an idiot”

“WOW. All ready to jump on the poor guy for saying something positive about an Iowa wrestler. Join the club it happened on four other threads tonight. Iowa run out of corn or something”

“Now I'm crazy. So let's see. I'm boring, crazy, dumb, moronic, stupid and trolling. And just imagine I came on here to talk wrestling and normally I show respect to everyone. Then one person attacks me for no reason then I respond and it gets crazy. Welcome to hr right. I'm not the problem here...”

“Your smarter than that you know exactly what this is. Same shit as after nationals. Iowa fans slamming everyone that doesn't say something they like. What a bunch of whiners. I stick up for gt and they get mad.”

“To rule you up. Obviously they care they respond. Your an idiot what makes you think anybody cares what you think. Crawl back in your hole. That's the response from the supposedly most knowledgeable fans of wrestling. Your All a joke lol. Lmfao”

“He will probably back it with the delusional cesspool we both are on right now. He had nothing to back it up with none of them do.”

“Delusional”

“Those mat monkeys really aren't that smart”

“So free with the insults. I bet your one of those little dueshebag that talks tough all the time but cant back it up. Yep that's you you don't need to answer. Dumb ass”

“What an idiotic statement”

“Check every post I severed pjt on here I always respond never come on here to bash I stick up for those being bombarded with ignorance. I come in peace to talk wrestling of course I'm going to respond to some pedo bullshit by some loudmouth every time. Not to mention the guys that call you...”

“Biggest pussy in the room is always the loudest and man you are loud. Keep talking that's all you do”

“He can't stupidity only goes so far.”

“And you couldn't stomp anything little man”

“What gives you freaking pokes said worse when he was at Penn state Iowa equals hypocrisy you freaking morons. See how I spelled that lol”

“Lol the delusions never end”

“Man you guys keep running with this delusional stuff huh. Face it you aren't beating Penn state in a dual or in a tournament lmfao.”

“Lmfao. Denial is right up there with insecurity plenty of both of which you have lol”

“To late your already there Mr blow pa”

“Almost to half the board keep going duechebags”

“Nope never will I'm not a troll educate yourself before speaking it makes you look smarter .still district four and always will be .Maybe you will someday figure out what a troll really is .”

“Typical forum bull shit everyone acts tough and acts like they can actually control someone's behavior. In reality your just a chump who wants to be the loudest because he's the weakest”

“And you keep talking little man .no matter what you say you keep looking more and more like a little man with little man problems .All talk lmfao .So predictable.”

“Figures you would be a trump supporter. Both living in a fantasy land and incapable of telling the truth lmfao .your the biggest douchebag of any wrestling board .co ngratsyou win LOSER”

“Lol. Inner circle jerk”
 
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