he seems like a good guy, I'm not a fan of his mic work- but this insight is really helpful...
Collegiate Duals 2.0
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An oddity of our early schedule. Bastida will be Dean's 4th opponent in Intermat's latest top-10.
Discounting the All-star classic and assuming no ducks tonight, SVN, Facundo, Brooks, and Kerk will be facing their 1st wrestler ranked in the current top-10.
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I agree with that to an extent, but I think fans are well within bounds to criticize it when it happens because it's becoming predictable and isn't good for the sport if every uniquely compelling match with seeding implications is tucked away until March, if then.
The issue is the notion that "what's best for their wrestlers" is entirely predicated on an assumption that what's best for a wrestler is receiving marginally better seeds in March. Partly that's the coaches' (as a whole) fault for not penalizing instances where seed protection occurs in a dual. The reason they don't penalize each other is because they want to reserve the option to do it themselves. Collectively, they've game-theorized themselves into making the sport less fun. The term "over-lawyered" comes to mind as well. Accordingly, they could game-theorize their way out of the problem simply by normalizing the penalization of clear instances of ducking by reflecting such in their polling.
Thanks, that was a nice reminder of Zain's brutal dominance in the top position. And it couldn't have happened to a more appropriate recipient than Amine.
UNC fans are probably asking themselves why PSU didn't send out their 157 starter.
It would be kind of funny if Cael bumped Carter and AB up to 184 and 197, respectively.
The one thing I will say for PSU is that when their guys sit it’s usually against lesser opponents when they gain nothing from winning 22-7.
Bit different than sitting out against a guy who could beat you.
But I’ll give UNC the benefit of the doubt here at AOC is onto just back from injury.
Bit different than sitting out against a guy who could beat you.
But I’ll give UNC the benefit of the doubt here at AOC is onto just back from injury.
Sent out some true freshman who didn't even wrestle at states last year...
If Hidlay wrestled Aaron aggressively it would exciting to PSU fans. Very disheartening to NCST fans.
Hidlay wrestles Brooks the way he does because, first it is the only shot he has at winning and second the officials allow him to wrestle that way.
Only thing better would have been dragging Mike Amine out of the stands to face a hammering
I'm still thankful we get a choice.
After decades of nearly zero access to live wrestling, I'm okay with less than a polished product. Heck, they could bring in the Nebraska student announcers and I'd still watch.
After decades of nearly zero access to live wrestling, I'm okay with less than a polished product. Heck, they could bring in the Nebraska student announcers and I'd still watch.
I've been much more lenient when it comes to "duck" accustations over the years. Sherman didn't even weigh in..clearly still hurt.
But when you step on the mat against a weak opponent, then 2 hours later sit against a quality opponent, I call it a "duck." If O'Connor wrestles today it certainly is/was. If he sits out today, I'll backtrack my statement since he could have gotten hurt in his match yesterday.
He didn't have much to say after that beatdown.
Otherwise: Zain, what is best in life?
I just hate Ivy league lawyers, mainly because they usually aren't actually interested in practicing law, and also because when they do, the amount of navel gazing and seemingly complete absence of ability to assess risks practically in connection with providing simple advice to clients is intolerable.
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But isn't that - when it's a perceived "better" guy who sits against a perceived "lesser" guy - when a seed is really being protected?
Lautt sitting vs Carter isn't doing much to protect his seed. A loss to Carter would have a minimal effect on his seed (as minimal as any loss possibly could). From a seed perspective, Lautt vs Carter is all upside for Lautt.
In general, I just think we have such little information on the condition of wrestlers at any given moment that it makes judging why they miss matches (in my opinion) virtually impossible.
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And that's fine. But this is the exact argument that other website residents used to accuse Shak of ducking Myles Martin at B1Gs a few years ago.
That was bullshit and this isn't really any different.
The difference was the higher rank guy didn't duck (Martin). It's a duck when the higher rank guy ducks an opponent that can potentially beat them.
For example..Lautt..yes I would've liked to see the match, but him sitting out didn't hurt or help him. If he wanted to take on the champ he could've but I don't consider that a duck
I have no issue calling Shak vs Martin a duck. Occasionally a situation is best to not wrestle, it happens. I give coaches the occasional pass at conference tournaments when there appears to be a legitimate injury. It’s the coaches who do it every year that you start to wonder about.
I think AOC was definitely a duck, but there is an injury he’s coming off of. He will be exposed in due time.
Schultz last year was the worst. Whoever did the seeding at NCAAs should have sent a message. Especially when the weight had a guaranteed champion. They gave Schultz and Zeke a pass, so coaches will keep doing it.
I think AOC was definitely a duck, but there is an injury he’s coming off of. He will be exposed in due time.
Schultz last year was the worst. Whoever did the seeding at NCAAs should have sent a message. Especially when the weight had a guaranteed champion. They gave Schultz and Zeke a pass, so coaches will keep doing it.
DUCK
verb
The act of a non-PSU wrestler not wrestling an opponent for any reason other than death.
Cael’s Genius Plan
proper noun
Anything a PSU wrestler does or doesn’t do.
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Every transactional lawyer ( and I am one) needs to leave the comfort of their firm and be seconded to a company for at least a year to truly understand business concerns and learn to be a vital part of the commercial team rather than a pedantic chokepoint.
I’ve been in-house for 17 years now and deal with lawyers all the time who - in the guise of “zealous advocacy” - are actually shortchanging their clients or otherwise hampering their opportunities. You want to be able to talk directly to their clients and say - listen, 96 cents on the dollar of a deal is better than dollar for dollar of a deal that never happens.
I’m not fond of the poison variety.
So you were completely fine with Kemerer MFF against Starocci in the semis at Big 10’s and Eierman MFF against Nick Lee in the finals? Or Rivera MFF to Eierman in the semis? All 3 were the lower seed so it couldn’t have been a duck based on your rationale
This is just my opinion. Who O'Connor wrestled is based on his comeback ability. In other words he chose the easier wrestler to wrestle knowing if he was wrestling one match yesterday he could have wrestled the PSU wrestler which would have been more challenging either way. By choosing to wrestle a lesser opponent tells me he isn't fully recovered and didn't want to get rag dolled by Levi assuming he knew he was getting Levi.
AOC I get, he might not be in 2 matches a day shape. He's clearly still working his way back based on how he's looked. A hungry freshman who wants into the lineup by proving himself who notoriously likes to turk legs might not be the ideal opponent, especially if beating said freshman doesn't do anything for you.
I don't like it, I can call it whatever I want but end of the day, I get it .
I don't like it, I can call it whatever I want but end of the day, I get it .
Yes..why wouldn't I? Didn't hurt the higher seeded wrestler. You understand, that someone lower ranked that doesn't take the mat is not a duck right? In those instances, those guys were all lower rated..they didn't protect their seed, if anything they hurt it
I was fine with all three because clearly all 3 were clearly messed up health wise and we saw Kemerer's shoulder visibly pop out the match before also.
We as fans forget sometimes it's just entertainment to us. There are real people's health though.
Just find it funny Iowa fans condemned us for doing that with Shak in 2019 when he clearly had a blown out knee but then flipped around and defended it in 2022.
TBF, I work in IT and have been trained in how to press the pause button, and then, later, the play button, once the Byers call caught up to the video.
(I don’t actually work in IT)
I think there are very few true ducks out there. Especially now when it is common for guys to not wrestle every match. That is one reason there will not be another Cael Sanderson (159-0).
That’s why boys need to play tackle football and have snowball fights at recess. If you aren’t exposed to risk you will never learn to make risk reward decisions.
Agree 100%. They were trying way too hard to BE the event than call the event. The two calling the Red Mat were significantly better to my liking. But everyone, has their own opinion. Even though I couldn’t sinc up Iron Head, I turned the clowns off and listened to the Master, even with a “one period lag”.
So if any number 1 ranked wrestler sits out a match, is that a duck?
