Collegiate Duals

[nerfstate]

I think it’s possible and really not all that difficult to strike a balance between not wearing your guys into the ground and also not wrestling in them in difficult matches throughout the season.

Of course it's possible on a coach-by-coach basis. See: Dresser (or Cael, for that matter--though Rasheed missing his B1G final vs Martin wasn't our best look, IMO). I don't hold out much hope that griping about it on the internet is going to change too many coaching hearts/minds, but I guess it's possible if the outrage is big enough.

I just worry when the masses get riled up over this as it tends to feed the dual championship monster.

 

[Still in State College]

I think it’s possible and really not all that difficult to strike a balance between not wearing your guys into the ground and also not wrestling in them in difficult matches throughout the season.

What is the right number? Cael Sanderson wrestled 40 matches a year. The most matches that Aaron Brooks has wrestled is 22. He has a max possible matches this year of 22. That would give him only 92 matches in 5 seasons of competition (mostly 5-easons). That does seem like overworking a guy. Starocci would max out at 86 after this season. So he will do in years what Cael and others did in two years.

I know this is the current way but I like seeing the starters out there every week.

 

[nerfstate]

Back to OP: Seems that being #1 at 125 is a curse this year.

 

[Petch]

IIRC when Bailey committed to UNC, his brother was at Campbell (1 hr away). Brother then transferred to Little Rock.

I could've sworn the older one skipped college and stayed working at the Building & Loan.

 

[js8793]

Any chances Fix's absence is him working down to 125? Where did he certify? He'd breeze through if he could make it.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Bouzakis report - loses to Farber from
UNI (Wrestlestat #21 at 133):

“Updates for those of you that can not watch. Bouzkais was in on a takedown that he nearly converted in period one. He got an escape in the 2nd and let the kid live on his legs. No attacks after the first for Bouzakis. UNI kid choose bottom and Bouzakis did not even try a mat return. Bouzakis tries an arm spin to give up the takedwon and gets ridden out for the last 1 minute +.”

 

[AndEEss]

Any chances Fix's absence is him working down to 125? Where did he certify? He'd breeze through if he could make it.

I'm no Fix fan but he'd kill the entire 125 field if he can do it effectively.

 

[McScoreley]

I'm no Fix fan but he'd kill the entire 125 field if he can do it effectively.

Hell if he can do it ineffectively even lol.

 

[jmadden1998]

NC STATE 34, LOCK HAVEN 6 SCORE/TIME NCST LH CUM.
125 Noto (LH) DEC Camacho (NCST) 4-2 0 3 0-3
133 Strickland (LH) DEC Trombley (NCST) 5-3 0 3 0-6
141 Buesgens (NCST) DEC Zeamer (LH) 8-2 3 0 3-6
149 Jack (NCST) TF Linsenbigler (LH) 7:00 5 0 8-6
157 Scott (NCST) TF Eck (LH) 4:53 5 0 13-6
165 Kovacs (NCST) DEC Alderfer (LH) 4-1 3 0 16-6
174 Faison (NCST) MAJ Stoltzfus (LH) 14-2 4 0 20-6
184 Delsignore (NCST) DEC Fegley (LH) 7-3 3 0 23-6
197 Hidlay (NCST) WBF Morrison (LH) 2:26 6 0 29-6
285 Horne (NCST) TF Miller (LH) 3:00 5 0 34-6


OHIO STATE 26, NORTHERN IOWA 7 SCORE/TIME OSU UNI CUM.
125 Mccrone (OSU) DEC Anderson (UNI) 10-8 3 0 3-0
133 Farber (UNI) DEC Bouzakis (OSU) 5-1 0 3 3-3
141 Mendez (OSU) DEC Happel (UNI) 4-2 3 0 6-3
149 Demilio (OSU) MAJ Allard (UNI) 11-1 4 0 10-3
157 Gallagher (OSU) DEC Downey (UNI) 4-1 3 0 13-3
165 Wilcox (OSU) DEC Yant (UNI) 4-2 3 0 16-3
174 Welsh (OSU) DEC Simma (UNI) 4-1 3 0 19-3
184 Keckeisen (UNI) MAJ Rogotzke (OSU) 17-4 0 4 19-7
197 Geog (OSU) MAJ Runyon (UNI) 14-4 4 0 23-7
285 Swenski (OSU) DEC Valdez (UNI) 8-2 3 0 26-7

 

[Bosox2004]

You guys that want to punish athletes by lowering seeds don't get the reason for seeding.

Lets say Gable Steveson ducks the whole.season except for the Bigs, wrestles enough to make.it to the show by forfeiting to 6-8th place. .

Do you seed him #1 ( he is the best in the weight) or punish him and seed him low where he will bust the bracket.

I wouldn’t call it being punished I’d call it a penalty.

If for whatever reason you miss a match there should be a penalty. Maybe make that penalty larger the higher your opponents “ranking” is . Manage your “”penalties” as best as you can to get the seed you want.

Life isn’t fair , you skip there’s a penalty .

Seeding in March should be earned not assumed.

 

[matter7172]

I'm no Fix fan but he'd kill the entire 125 field if he can do it effectively.

Kinda places Sir Spencer's reign (particularly after Suriano vacated the weightclass) at 125 in perspective.

 

[Random4598375]

NC STATE 34, LOCK HAVEN 6 SCORE/TIME NCST LH CUM.
125 Noto (LH) DEC Camacho (NCST) 4-2 0 3 0-3
133 Strickland (LH) DEC Trombley (NCST) 5-3 0 3 0-6
141 Buesgens (NCST) DEC Zeamer (LH) 8-2 3 0 3-6
149 Jack (NCST) TF Linsenbigler (LH) 7:00 5 0 8-6
157 Scott (NCST) TF Eck (LH) 4:53 5 0 13-6
165 Kovacs (NCST) DEC Alderfer (LH) 4-1 3 0 16-6
174 Faison (NCST) MAJ Stoltzfus (LH) 14-2 4 0 20-6
184 Delsignore (NCST) DEC Fegley (LH) 7-3 3 0 23-6
197 Hidlay (NCST) WBF Morrison (LH) 2:26 6 0 29-6
285 Horne (NCST) TF Miller (LH) 3:00 5 0 34-6


OHIO STATE 26, NORTHERN IOWA 7 SCORE/TIME OSU UNI CUM.
125 Mccrone (OSU) DEC Anderson (UNI) 10-8 3 0 3-0
133 Farber (UNI) DEC Bouzakis (OSU) 5-1 0 3 3-3
141 Mendez (OSU) DEC Happel (UNI) 4-2 3 0 6-3
149 Demilio (OSU) MAJ Allard (UNI) 11-1 4 0 10-3
157 Gallagher (OSU) DEC Downey (UNI) 4-1 3 0 13-3
165 Wilcox (OSU) DEC Yant (UNI) 4-2 3 0 16-3
174 Welsh (OSU) DEC Simma (UNI) 4-1 3 0 19-3
184 Keckeisen (UNI) MAJ Rogotzke (OSU) 17-4 0 4 19-7
197 Geog (OSU) MAJ Runyon (UNI) 14-4 4 0 23-7
285 Swenski (OSU) DEC Valdez (UNI) 8-2 3 0 26-7

I love that they let Rogotzke have a shot at Keck. Based on the result, I’m guessing they’ll put him back in redshirt, but why not give a shot to a kid who’s pinned everyone in sight for years now?

 

[El-Jefe]

Back to OP: Seems that being #1 at 125 is a curse this year.

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Camacho just lost 4-2 to UNI's Trevor Anderson.

 

[pish69]

Camacho just lost 4-2 to UNI's Trevor Anderson.

Earl a genius waiting till tomorrow to update rankings.

 

[tullfan68]

I would love to see a workable version of a dual championship. I just don't know what exactly that would look like.

how would that work,you dont think PSU would still win??I do, they already wrestle in the big against the best teams!!!

 

[tullfan68]

I'm no Fix fan but he'd kill the entire 125 field if he can do it effectively.

well losing weight can mean a lot you can't guarantee Fix would win!!

 

[Crusher1950]

Back in our days when ranked wrestlers wouldn’t wrestle another ranked wrestler they were called, pussies

 

[mcpat]

What is the right number? Cael Sanderson wrestled 40 matches a year. The most matches that Aaron Brooks has wrestled is 22. He has a max possible matches this year of 22. That would give him only 92 matches in 5 seasons of competition (mostly 5-easons). That does seem like overworking a guy. Starocci would max out at 86 after this season. So he will do in years what Cael and others did in two years.

I know this is the current way but I like seeing the starters out there every week.

True, but guys like Brooks are wrestling freestyle in the offseason and making / trying to make world and Olympic teams.

 

[dicemen99]

Back in our days when ranked wrestlers wouldn’t wrestle another ranked wrestler they were called, pussies

Things haven't changed. They still are.

 

[zzs006]

Bouzakis takes another odd loss losing 5-1 to Farber. Farber is number 21 in the Flo rankings

 

[tullfan68]

Kinda places Sir Spencer's reign (particularly after Suriano vacated the weightclass) at 125 in perspective.

Fix isn't beating Spencer,ever!

 

[tullfan68]

Fix may need to go 125 if he wants to win a title!

 

[El-Jefe]

Back in our days when ranked wrestlers wouldn’t wrestle another ranked wrestler they were called, pussies

Oranges.

 

[apoharrow]

Things haven't changed. They still are.

I wouldn't call Aaron Brooks anything when he didn't wrestle Beard.

 

[jmadden1998]

OHIO STATE 28, LOCK HAVEN 9 SCORE/TIME OSU LH CUM.
125 Noto (LH) DEC Kilkeary (OSU) 10-3 0 3 0-3
133 Strickland (LH) DEC Gonzales (OSU) 6-1 0 3 0-6
141 Mendez (OSU) TF Zeamer (LH) 5:16 5 0 5-6
149 Demilio (OSU) DEC Stonecheck (LH) 9-6 3 0 8-6
157 Gallagher (OSU) TF Hogan (LH) 4:25 5 0 13-6
165 Hepner (OSU) DEC Alderfer (LH) 7-1 3 0 16-6
174 Stoltzfus (LH) DEC Chase (OSU) 9-6 0 3 16-9
184 Hoffman (OSU) MAJ Fegley (LH) 20-6 4 0 20-9
197 Geog (OSU) TF Morrison (LH) 4:36 5 0 25-9
285 Swenski (OSU) DEC Miller (LH) 8-1 3 0 28-9

NC STATE 25, NORTHERN IOWA 16 SCORE/TIME NCST UNI CUM.
125 Anderson (UNI) DEC Camacho (NCST) 4-2 0 3 0-3
133 Orine (NCST) DEC Farber (UNI) 2-0 3 0 3-3
141 Happel (UNI) MAJ Buesgens (NCST) 14-4 0 4 3-7
149 Arrington (NCST) WBF Allard (UNI) 5:26 6 0 9-7
157 Scott (NCST) DEC Downey (UNI) 7-6 3 0 12-7
165 Fields (NCST) TF Yant (UNI) 7:00 5 0 17-7
174 Simma (UNI) WBF Faison (NCST) 3:41 0 6 17-13
184 Keckeisen (UNI) DEC Fishback (NCST) 5-2 0 3 17-16
197 Hidlay (NCST) TF Runyon (UNI) 4:21 5 0 22-16
285 Trephan (NCST) DEC Gordon (UNI) 4-1 3 0 25-16

 

[Ski]

You guys that want to punish athletes by lowering seeds don't get the reason for seeding.

Lets say Gable Steveson ducks the whole.season except for the Bigs, wrestles enough to make.it to the show by forfeiting to 6-8th place. .

Do you seed him #1 ( he is the best in the weight) or punish him and seed him low where he will bust the bracket.

In that specific example with that specific wrestler, I seed him fifth instead of first. If the tournament goes chalk and he is seeded first then he faces seeds 8,4,2 in the quarters/semis/finals. If the tournament goes chalk and he is seeded fifth then he faces seeds 4,1,2 in the quarters/semis/finals. That is as much of a hit as I give him without busting the brackets too bad.

$.02

 

[District four]

Both of those guys sat out when they were hurt to allow them to perform at their best for the one weekend that matters. Not a good example. It's exactly the dynamic we're talking about.

Actually both wrestled hurt or not 100 percent which was my point. I think most of us get there is a point of not wrestling due to injury which they also both experienced

 

[District four]

I think injury reports are a function of the cozy relationship with sports betting in other sports.

Well there is that I agree.

 

[El-Jefe]

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Maybe Vito hurt the top of his skull on Bailey's jaw, or hurt his knee on Bailey's face.

 

[Fink]

Ohio State goes pin - pin -pin to start match against NC State. McCrone pins Camacho (0-3 day), Bouzakis pins Orine and Mendez pins Jack in the last 15 seconds of a 6-6 match..

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

Maybe Vito hurt the top of his skull on Bailey's jaw, or hurt his knee on Bailey's face.

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Lame move. Tried to punk a freshman because he’s mad he got wrestled close

 

[Random4598375]

Ohio State goes pin - pin -pin to start match against NC State. McCrone pins Camacho (0-3 day), Bouzakis pins Orine and Mendez pins Jack in the last 15 seconds of a 6-6 match..

Wow. Did not expect that!

 

[LorenzoFan]

In that specific example with that specific wrestler, I seed him fifth instead of first. If the tournament goes chalk and he is seeded first then he faces seeds 8,4,2 in the quarters/semis/finals. If the tournament goes chalk and he is seeded fifth then he faces seeds 4,1,2 in the quarters/semis/finals. That is as much of a hit as I give him without busting the brackets too bad.

$.02

6th palace in Bigs with only a handful of matches and you seed him 5th. I guess it depends on who he beat at the Bigs

My point is , seeds matter to more than just those that get punished

 

[mhlarch]

Back to OP: Seems that being #1 at 125 is a curse this year.

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After Penn State, I'm always cheering for Lock Haven, so I'm glad to see Noto win this match. Really hard for me to see the drop off of many PA state schools like Edinboro, Clarion, and Bloomsburg. I know, I'm old and with the exception of Edinboro I have to go back to the 80's to see that level of performance but I do miss that. Probably many reasons, just glad to see the Haven relevant to some degree.

 

[Random4598375]

After Penn State, I'm always cheering for Lock Haven, so I'm glad to see Noto win this match. Really hard for me to see the drop off of many PA state schools like Edinboro, Clarion, and Bloomsburg. I know, I'm old and with the exception of Edinboro I have to go back to the 80's to see that level of performance but I do miss that. Probably many reasons, just glad to see the Haven relevant to some degree.

Yeah, when I was in high school, Clarion was a national power.

 

[El-Jefe]

Lame move. Tried to punk a freshman because he’s mad he got wrestled close

Billy George approves.

 

[tullfan68]

Back in our days when ranked wrestlers wouldn’t wrestle another ranked wrestler they were called, pussies

back in the day my coaches made you go if you were ready no matter who you wrestled better guys made you better as well!

 

[WEAREPSU_LI]

Maybe I bought into the hype too much, but Nick Feldman is not the immediate world beater I thought he'd be.

 

[PAHURDLER]

They were just talking on Flo about how, by default, Camacho was probably the new #1 at 125.

And then of course he goes 0-3 here.

Crazy weight this year.

 

[tullfan68]

4 yrs in high school I dont remmeber many guys on the team not wrestling becuase of injuries!we all wanted to go all the time!