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Conference Champs and Playoff

An non-conference win against an elite team would also mean less.
Winning a conference title doesn't make you better than someone that didn't win. We're not comparing apples here. Ohio State and Penn State tied for the division title last year...we need to stop acting like we were far superior. When you then add a loss to Pitt and compare that to a win against Oklahoma for them of course they were ahead of us. It's called logic.
Ohio State winning the Big Ten this year despite getting blown out by Iowa doesn't trump an 11-1 Bama that only lost to Auburn
Everyone that's in favor of a small playoff wants every game to matter--of course, unless it doesn't help their argument.
Your statement that just because a team wins a conference championship that by default does not mean that team is better than other conferences' also rans is correct. However that like any other part of your arguments has nothing to do with the subject being discussed.

Conference A champion may not be as good as Conference B runner-up, but how in the world would we know.

What is being attempted is to identify the best team, and to declare them power-5 national champion. The bullcrap about identifying the 4 best teams is nothing but a subjective circle jerk. We are looking to identify the single, best, championship team.
Make it a prerequisite of winning a conference championship to qualify and subjectivity is practically eliminated. Guessing which conference champion is the 5th best is the single subjective ingredient.

Everything we do now is loaded with subjective opinions. You can't actually tell me when someone says "passed the eye test" you don't feel an overwhelming need to puke.

By the way. Penn State and Ohio State did not tie for the eastern division championship last year. Penn State won the division. Both teams had the same conference record, but since the Big10 does not use subjectivity to determine their division and conference champions there was a set of criteria available to objectively determine the division champion. That was champion Penn State.

Using you thought process there should have been some sort of vote to determine the Eastern Division champion and it would make absolute sense to vote on who we thought was the conference champion.
 
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We could give St. Mary's Parochial Scool for Wayward Boys a chance too but that doesn't mean it's time or resources spent wisely. Why clutter up the post season with a bunch of extra meaningless games? That takes away from the games that mean something, hurts fan participation, and costs a butt ton of money. You have yet to convince anyone that I can see that all conferences absolutely have to be included.

That's because most here only care about Penn State and aren't really fans of college football. You don't even consider G5 part of FBS...smh
 
Your statement that just because a team wins a conference championship that by default does not mean that team is better than other conferences' also rans is correct. However that like any other part of your arguments has nothing to do with the subject being discussed.

Conference A champion may not be as good as Conference B runner-up, but how in the world would we know.

What is being attempted is to identify the best team, and to declare them power-5 national champion. The bullcrap about identifying the 4 best teams is nothing but a subjective circle jerk. We are looking to identify the single, best, championship team.
Make it a prerequisite of winning a conference championship to qualify and subjectivity is practically eliminated. Guessing which conference champion is the 5th best is the single subjective ingredient.

Everything we do now is loaded with subjective opinions. You can't actually tell me when someone says "passed the eye test" you don't feel an overwhelming need to puke.

By the way. Penn State and Ohio State did not tie for the eastern division championship last year. Penn State won the division. Both teams had the same conference record, but since the Big10 does not use subjectivity to determine their division and conference champions there was a set of criteria available to objectively determine the division champion. That was champion Penn State.

Using you thought process there should have been some sort of vote to determine the Eastern Division champion and it would make absolute sense to vote on who we thought was the conference champion.

We did tie and we won the tie-breaker. Both teams were 7-1. Criteria did determine it that doesn't alter the records. Winning a tie-breaker doesn't alter anything

Until all conferences are include it will always be subjective and with only 4 spots we'll never see a requirement of conference championships because multiple conferences would never agree to it--starting with the SEC
 
Your statement that just because a team wins a conference championship that by default does not mean that team is better than other conferences' also rans is correct. However that like any other part of your arguments has nothing to do with the subject being discussed.

Conference A champion may not be as good as Conference B runner-up, but how in the world would we know.

What is being attempted is to identify the best team, and to declare them power-5 national champion. The bullcrap about identifying the 4 best teams is nothing but a subjective circle jerk. We are looking to identify the single, best, championship team.
Make it a prerequisite of winning a conference championship to qualify and subjectivity is practically eliminated. Guessing which conference champion is the 5th best is the single subjective ingredient.

Everything we do now is loaded with subjective opinions. You can't actually tell me when someone says "passed the eye test" you don't feel an overwhelming need to puke.

By the way. Penn State and Ohio State did not tie for the eastern division championship last year. Penn State won the division. Both teams had the same conference record, but since the Big10 does not use subjectivity to determine their division and conference champions there was a set of criteria available to objectively determine the division champion. That was champion Penn State.

Using you thought process there should have been some sort of vote to determine the Eastern Division champion and it would make absolute sense to vote on who we thought was the conference champion.
Way too much logic and too many facts in this post. Could never work. Tic
 
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That's because most here only care about Penn State and aren't really fans of college football. You don't even consider G5 part of FBS...smh
I'm a huge fan of college football...just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're not as big a fan. I think the G5 is different than P5. I would say many fourth or fifth place P5 finishers would beat 90% or more of the G5 teams. So should we give the fifth place team in the PAC 12 a spot in the playoffs? After all, conference championships don't mean anything according to you.
 
I'm a huge fan of college football...just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're not as big a fan. I think the G5 is different than P5. I would say many fourth or fifth place P5 finishers would beat 90% or more of the G5 teams. So should we give the fifth place team in the PAC 12 a spot in the playoffs? After all, conference championships don't mean anything according to you.

A conference title means nothing unless all conference winners are included. I'd have no problem with a 5th place team in a conference making the playoffs in a 24 team playoff. Northwestern for example may have been in this year being ranked 21st. They'd have been either last in or first out.
 
A conference title means nothing unless all conference winners are included. I'd have no problem with a 5th place team in a conference making the playoffs in a 24 team playoff. Northwestern for example may have been in this year being ranked 21st. They'd have been either last in or first out.
And we see how well that would go...NW is trying to blow it to KY....they have no business being in a playoff.
 
See my comments in red type face.

You can't make it a requirement unless you include ALL conference champions. Why not? Because you say so? Winning the MAC is not the same as winning the B1G.

And, no, it would encourage every team to play weak non-conference games. There's no benefit to playing a strong team before conference play because it can hurt you. Except in cases where OOC games are used as a tie breaker, playing a strong OOC schedule would not hurt a school if the criterion for getting in the playoff was winning the conference title. That conference title would depend on a team's record in conference games.
 
LafayetteBear...name another sport (even another level of football) where all conference winners aren't included?

Why would teams play tough OOC games when they could schedule 3-4 home games and make money? There's no benefit to it
 
How can you possible think every conference should have a representative? There's a reason these crap teams from garbage conferences get paid tons of money to come be a sacrificial lamb at a P5 school. An 8 team playoff would give legitimate contenders a shot at winning.
AWS: Why do you waste your time reading this guy's posts? I think he's a little off. Presents all of his arguments as if they came straight from the Oracle at Delphi. "OSU was a LOCK." "ALL conference champions have to be included in any CFB playoff." As if...
 
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AWS: Why do you waste your time reading this guy's posts? I think he's a little off. Presents all of his arguments as if they came straight from the Oracle at Delphi. "OSU was a LOCK." "ALL conference champions have to be included in any CFB playoff." As if...
I'm a glutton for punishment apparently. I just can't ignore stupidity....hell, I even argued with 21 Guns.
 
AWS: Why do you waste your time reading this guy's posts? I think he's a little off. Presents all of his arguments as if they came straight from the Oracle at Delphi. "OSU was a LOCK." "ALL conference champions have to be included in any CFB playoff." As if...

Ohio State was a lock--see the fact they were a 3 seed.
And, yes, all conference champions should be included. If they aren't FBS needs to split into two levels
That's common sense not "a little off". Attack me personally all you want--just shows your shortcomings
 
Ohio State was a lock--see the fact they were a 3 seed.
And, yes, all conference champions should be included. If they aren't FBS needs to split into two levels
That's common sense not "a little off". Attack me personally all you want--just shows your shortcomings
Not too arrogant are you? Almost Guns level arrogance.
 
Just honest. If someone wants to attack I'll respond in the same manner
You do realize everything you're arguing is just your opinion, right? Other people do have opinions too and they're just as valid as yours. You post in absolutes as if there's no other opinion that matters other than yours...the very definition of arrogance.
 
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You do realize everything you're arguing is just your opinion, right? Other people do have opinions too and they're just as valid as yours. You post in absolutes as if there's no other opinion that matters other than yours...the very definition of arrogance.
This ^^^.
 
A conference title means nothing unless all conference winners are included. I'd have no problem with a 5th place team in a conference making the playoffs in a 24 team playoff. Northwestern for example may have been in this year being ranked 21st. They'd have been either last in or first out.

I see where you're going. 24 teams.

Why not 128 teams? With double elimination?

Better yet, let's just give every team a participation certificate.
 
You do realize everything you're arguing is just your opinion, right? Other people do have opinions too and they're just as valid as yours. You post in absolutes as if there's no other opinion that matters other than yours...the very definition of arrogance.

Right--you all respect others opinions lmao
 
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