Umm ... you didn't want to get political but you went right there?
Congratulations to Black (and other minority) PSU Wrestlers
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I sincerely hope everyone on this board would agree that someone entrusted with safeguarding our country’s branches of government wouldn’t take to heart the teachings of the worst anti-Semitic screed ever put to print. Same as, let’s say, leaving in full view the teachings of Pol Pot wouldn’t be acceptable (just to point out far right AND far left insanity.
The only thing I disagreed with was that you didn't want to get political. Otherwise, hard to step from HR to the Capitol Hill riot.
But now I'll go a step further: I completely agree that nobody should take those to heart. That's entirely different from not reading them. Since that idiocy exists with or without those books, better than they are read and understood for what they are.
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Frankly, I'd hope that most here would agree we should focus on wrestling talk.
Agreed. Still want to find out what club coach is a Sandy Hook denier, though.
I could care less about how many minorities are playing Ncaa sports.But all you hear is how we need more minorities here and there.Noone every says we need more white bb players or more white RBs in football,why?
Thx DW. Your lesson in logic adds helpful perspective. If this thread were celebrating 5 NCAA champs from Texas, a historically underrepresented state for elite wrestlers, everyone would deem that praiseworthy and be happy to see we were growing the sport among Texans.
This underscores the point that race relations is a complex and challenging topic of conversation in America. It's as if the deep racial scar in our national psyche blocks us from even having a language to safely talk about it. Kind of like trying to communicate with an alien where the same words can either get you exalted or killed depending on inflection and regardless of intent.
For those of us who want to see the sport grow, the cities remain a pretty untapped resource. Philly and Pittsburgh have had wrestling for a while now, but we have seen almost no great wrestlers coming from D12 and few from D8. Angel Garcia was perhaps a portent of things to come. Sure hope so. I loved watching him wrestle.
The trick is to get city athletes to buy into the sport. Haven't figured that one out yet, but when they do wrestling will be much better off --- and there will be more wrestlers of color participating, so it will all be good.
The trick is to get city athletes to buy into the sport. Haven't figured that one out yet, but when they do wrestling will be much better off --- and there will be more wrestlers of color participating, so it will all be good.
Maybe you should leave the reductio ad absurdum to thems that can do it.#logic
It's not reductio ad absurdum. There are other minorities in the world besides people of African descent.
Does the name Sanshiro Abe ring a bell?
In case you haven't noticed, there is a big issue with discrimination against Asians (and no I'm not talking about the bargaining chip theatrics of the two Senators) in the college environment.
As an aside I am actually aware of college football player (no, I'm not saying what school or position) that was told "if you weren't white, you'd have been offered a scholarship". What do you think would happen if all the white running backs, wide receivers and d-backs got together for picture, other than it would be a selfie?
I worked in a corrections environment for a while; and even on the administrative side, the racial tribalism in there is inescapable, and increasingly in society at large.
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The OP and reply by @smealpsu2005 were so great to read. They really made me happy to be a fan of this sport. Many of the other replies make me realize that we still have a long way to go to understand the struggles that people of color go through. It reminds me of when I was in elementary school and woud get in trouble. My excuse to my parents was always that someone else in school was worse than me and didn't get in trouble. My defense was attempting to deflect attention away from my actions rather than address the issue about me. It didn't work with my parents, and it shouldn't work in this case. We're not talking about white running backs, short basketball players, obese jockeys, or any other disadvantaged group of athletes. We are talking about the accomplishment of 5 amazing athletes in the sport we love, and what that means to everyone that has come before them and will come after them. It's a celebration, not a debate. If you can't celebrate, just leave the party, #nobuzzkill
Really is a great accomplishment but where I find peace in this world was cheering for every Penn State wrestler and never once thinking about race....
Don’t get too happy with your enlightened self. I am even more enlightened than you. I don’t even see singlet colors. I see people.
When I find out some of my favorite wrestlers have won titles, I say, “way to go Nico, Roman, Zain, Nick, Frank, Jason, Vincenzo, Mark, David, Matt, Ed, Bo, Carter, Aaron, Quentin, Ed, Anthony, ...!” I don’t even know what color singlets they wear or what “team” or “tribe” they represent.
If you tell me they happen to be from the same team or clan or whatever, I’ll tell you, “get the F outta here with your identity affiliation stuff. They’re just people to me.”
#imapeoplepersonI'm still stuck on trying to figure out who the second "Ed" is that you speak of. 😂Don’t get too happy with your enlightened self. I am even more enlightened than you. I don’t even see singlet colors. I see people.
When I find out some of my favorite wrestlers have won titles, I say, “way to go Nico, Roman, Zain, Nick, Frank, Jason, Vincenzo, Mark, David, Matt, Ed, Bo, Carter, Aaron, Quentin, Ed, Anthony, ...!” I don’t even know what color singlets they wear or what “team” or “tribe” they represent.
If you tell me they happen to be from the same team or clan or whatever, I’ll tell you, “get the F outta here with your identity affiliation stuff. They’re just people to me.”
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My enlightenment is so next level I don’t even notice if a person is singular or plural!
Don't feel bad -- Robert Hamlin still wonders if he faced two Ed Ruths in the finals.
Man, when Ed was on he was just unstoppable, an amazing talent.Don't feel bad -- Robert Hamlin still wonders if he faced two Ed Ruths in the finals.
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