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Corley fired

He has a lot of ties to the South and runs a spread. Seems like a good guy. What’s his tie to Franklin though? Feel like CJF likes to bring guys in with who he is familiar.

I don’t know of a connection but the release said this would be a “national” search, so I hope this would include those without ties to Franklin.
 
Like this guy...

Michael Johnson Sr.




Current job: Oregon WR caoch

Tenure: 2017-present

College he played at: Arizona State, Akron

Why he's connected: History with Franklin



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Oregon wide receivers coach Michael Johnson as the Ducks open fall football practice on Monday, July 31, 2017 in Eugene, Oregon. Sean Meagher/Staff LC-

Don't think for a second that the following James Franklin quote from the early signing day news conference in December did not go unnoticed, especially with the benefit of hindsight:

"You know, with Michael, I've known Michael's dad for, I don't know, 20 years. He was the quarterbacks coach with the Atlanta Falcons with Michael Vick, and I was offered the receivers job," Franklin said.

"So we go way back. And then obviously having an opportunity to develop a relationship with his son and seeing what he was able to do, you know, that was really good."

Michael Johnson Jr. is a four-star QB who signed with the Lions in the Class of 2019, and he arrives on campus Jan. 7 as an early enrollee. Franklin has known his dad for a long time, and he's clearly OK with having father/son coach/player tandems, as Bob Shoop's son Tyler stayed on the roster after he left and the program offered running back coach Ja'Juan Seider's son a preferred walk-on spot with the program, which he accepted.

Michael Johnson Sr. has NFL coaching experience but also knows how to work in the college environment, and frankly, he'd be a tremendous addition regardless of whether his son was coming to campus or not. He's 51, which would make him one of the oldest Lions' coaches, but other than that, he fits the bill in just about every area.

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2019/01/who_could_replace_david_corley.html
Seems that it is within our $ rate for a wr coach
308 Oregon Pac-12 Mike Johnson $335,000 ..+bonus $130,000
 
College coaches hire people who (1) played for them, or (2) previously coached with them, often as assistants together, or (3) get strong recommendations from a coaching colleagues that the head coach (Franklin, in this case) trusts. As much if not more so than other professions, it's all about creating a network and who you know.
 
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He has a lot of ties to the South and runs a spread. Seems like a good guy. What’s his tie to Franklin though? Feel like CJF likes to bring guys in with who he is familiar.
If we want ties to the South, or South Florida, Miami has a lot of offensive coaches available.
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Does this feed the beast? I doubt it. I suppose the special teams coach is next. So many here should be happy. Is it enough? I'm thinking the beast needs a coordinator. How about RR he has a very nice family? It would make many here happy to see them jobless. We are elite fans. We need elite coaching.
 
Does this feed the beast? I doubt it. I suppose the special teams coach is next. So many here should be happy. Is it enough? I'm thinking the beast needs a coordinator. How about RR he has a very nice family? It would make many here happy to see them jobless. We are elite fans. We need elite coaching.

Definitely need a big time offensive coordinator. RR can return to being a position coach.
 
Definitely need a big time offensive coordinator. RR can return to being a position coach.
No we want him fired. His wife and kids out on the street. We want tears and cries of desperation. This is Penn State Football......we are elite. No one gets in our way. We should have several sets of coaches waiting so we can make changes after every game that doesn't meet our standards. Let's get a MoJoe clone his O finished with an avg of 28.5 points per game....good for about 70th. Rahne only finished 32nd.
We should have fired Joe Paterno after his first season. Just sayin.....
 
When was the last time you saw a “release” that said:
“We will undertake a search, limited to the local region”?


Seriously?

Sweet Jeebzus

Most of the time you would just leave the word “national” out and say “search” instead of “national search”.
 
God Bless this young man! Has respect and loves his coach. He sees what is happening to the coach and his family. He knows how hard they have worked together. For many on this board, calling for a coach to be fired is like offing a character on a video game. These are real people....families ....but hell who cares?
 
No we want him fired. His wife and kids out on the street. We want tears and cries of desperation. This is Penn State Football......we are elite. No one gets in our way. We should have several sets of coaches waiting so we can make changes after every game that doesn't meet our standards. Let's get a MoJoe clone his O finished with an avg of 28.5 points per game....good for about 70th. Rahne only finished 32nd.
We should have fired Joe Paterno after his first season. Just sayin.....

Honestly coaching is a tough life. Assistants often lose their job through no fault of their own if an HC moves on. If a coach is good enough he will land another gig.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the elite offense came and left with Moorhead. If not for Moorhead I’m not sure CJF would still be HC. CJF is a CEO type who needs good coordinators to be elite, and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as he’s willing and able to put an elite staff in place.
 
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If with the changes at Ohio State Kevin Wilson becomes available I would like to see him spend a year as an offensive consultant not a coach. I think he could bring some new ideas and coach up Ricky.
 
Honestly coaching is a tough life. Assistants often lose their job through no fault of their own if an HC moves on. If a coach is good enough he will land another gig.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the elite offense came and left with Moorhead. If not for Moorhead I’m not sure CJF would still be HC. CJF is a CEO type who needs good coordinators to be elite, and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as he’s willing and able to put an elite staff in place.

How did JoMo's offense do this year? When will you understand that PSU's offense in 16 and 17 had a generational running back that had a record setting rookie season in the NFL? The way defenses schemed to stop SB created options for a lot of other players. Godwin (16) and Hamilton (17) to say nothing of MG. Rahne did just fine in the Fiesta bowl with the same groceries JoMo was cooking with. If you think this offense had anywhere near the talent of last year, you are nuts.
 
No we want him fired. His wife and kids out on the street. We want tears and cries of desperation. This is Penn State Football......we are elite. No one gets in our way. We should have several sets of coaches waiting so we can make changes after every game that doesn't meet our standards. Let's get a MoJoe clone his O finished with an avg of 28.5 points per game....good for about 70th. Rahne only finished 32nd.
We should have fired Joe Paterno after his first season. Just sayin.....

I like the way you think.

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If with the changes at Ohio State Kevin Wilson becomes available I would like to see him spend a year as an offensive consultant not a coach. I think he could bring some new ideas and coach up Ricky.
Maybe he could slap a few guys around who don't hustle.....or kick a few in the ass that have limps.
Wouldn't you rather have Bobby Petrino to ride motorcycles with our players on off days?
 
I wish David & family the best. There are plenty of openings in FBS, he will find a job. Months ago many posters had him as HC at James Madison . Just his experience will land him at worst in FCS, good luck !
 
God Bless this young man! Has respect and loves his coach. He sees what is happening to the coach and his family. He knows how hard they have worked together. For many on this board, calling for a coach to be fired is like offing a character on a video game. These are real people....families ....but hell who cares?

Good grief, man, should these people have jobs for life? People get fired every day. Guessing that the vast majority of them have families. From the vantage point of many, this particular employee did not do a sufficient enough job to warrant retaining his very well-paying job. So he was terminated. Perhaps if/when you are in charge of something you can retain underperforming employees all you want.
 
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the elite offense came and left with Moorhead. If not for Moorhead I’m not sure CJF would still be HC

Keep saying it. Doesn’t make it less dumb.

JF inherited 65 scholarships, 7 scholarship offensive linemen, recruiting for a school with a stained reputation.....and with all that won the Big Ten in 3 f ucking years.

What has Vanderbilt looked like since JF left?

Franklin chose Moorhead who was a nobody at the time. And he has us recruiting at a level we have rarely if ever seen at Penn State. When Franklin wins his championship, and he will, stay the f uck off the bandwagon.
 
Good grief, man, should these people have jobs for life? People get fired every day. Guessing that the vast majority of them have families. From the vantage point of many, this particular employee did not do a sufficient enough job to warrant retaining his very well-paying job. So he was terminated. Perhaps if/when you are in charge of something you can retain underperforming employees all you want.

And he under performed because receivers dropped the ball? Did he conduct ball dropping drills? I hope Hamler doesn't get pissed and transfer. Seems the kid thought his coach did a hell of a job..... I see where Johnson had surgery on his hand today. Perhaps a reason he under performed. I respect Franklin's right to pick the staff he wants. I don't respect posters calling for heads to roll after every game. Great coaches have one thing in common......great players. Perhaps we are looking in the wrong direction.
In yesterday's game, open receivers dropped at least 4 balls...this has nothing to do with coaching.
The punt team gave up contain....do you believe the special teams coach did not assign and emphasize this responsibility?
On the fake punt a direct snap was dropped by the upback, blowing up the play.....this was the fault of the coach?
2 chip shot field goals were missed.....surely this is a coaching mistake.
 
I'll see KJ in a couple of weeks, I'll ask him then and report back. Knowing him, no chance he transfers. He loves Franklin.
 
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Keep saying it. Doesn’t make it less dumb.

JF inherited 65 scholarships, 7 scholarship offensive linemen, recruiting for a school with a stained reputation.....and with all that won the Big Ten in 3 f ucking years.

What has Vanderbilt looked like since JF left?

Franklin chose Moorhead who was a nobody at the time. And he has us recruiting at a level we have rarely if ever seen at Penn State. When Franklin wins his championship, and he will, stay the f uck off the bandwagon.

O’Brien’s teams did more with less than Franklin’s first 2 teams. Franklin got it right when he fired Donovan and brought in Moorhead. If Rahne were the answer I would have liked to have seen the offense improve instead of regress over the course of the year. It looked like the effect of Moorhead’s coaching gradually wore off over the course of the year, and I don’t think the offense has bottomed to the level we will see long term if Rahne stays in place.

Regarding the National Championship, I don’t see the playoffs happening with Rahne as OC. Would love to be proven wrong.
 
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The hire was strange to begin with when you consider he was at Army. Granted, he might not have been too happy about becoming the WR coach, but for a guy who was at top of the rolodex, Franklin never had much to say about him.

Does anyone think it is possible that Smith could move to WR? He has done a job with the CBs, but played WR.

Isn't Smith the defense recruiting coordinator, or something like that?

Smith is surely qualified to coach WR's but why upset the staff more than it already will be?
 
And he under performed because receivers dropped the ball? Did he conduct ball dropping drills? I hope Hamler doesn't get pissed and transfer. Seems the kid thought his coach did a hell of a job..... I see where Johnson had surgery on his hand today. Perhaps a reason he under performed. I respect Franklin's right to pick the staff he wants. I don't respect posters calling for heads to roll after every game. Great coaches have one thing in common......great players. Perhaps we are looking in the wrong direction.
In yesterday's game, open receivers dropped at least 4 balls...this has nothing to do with coaching.
The punt team gave up contain....do you believe the special teams coach did not assign and emphasize this responsibility?
On the fake punt a direct snap was dropped by the upback, blowing up the play.....this was the fault of the coach?
2 chip shot field goals were missed.....surely this is a coaching mistake.

You seem to think it has to be all or nothing. Of course I don't believe he coached them to drop the ball. But for whatever reason, the position group that he was in charge of was terrible. Is it not fair to evaluate his performance as a coach at least in some part by the on-field performance of the players he was responsible for? I don't think that sounds like an outlandish idea. These guys get paid a lot of money to coach. And there are big expectations on their performance. If Corley didn't want those expectations he should have stayed at West Point. Or he should get out of coaching and go work in an office somewhere making a fraction of what he makes now. I expect Franklin to treat his coaches fairly, and that's it. And I have no reason to believe he was anything but fair with Corley.
 
I wish David & family the best. There are plenty of openings in FBS, he will find a job. Months ago many posters had him as HC at James Madison . Just his experience will land him at worst in FCS, good luck !
William & Mary ?
 
You seem to think it has to be all or nothing. Of course I don't believe he coached them to drop the ball. But for whatever reason, the position group that he was in charge of was terrible. Is it not fair to evaluate his performance as a coach at least in some part by the on-field performance of the players he was responsible for? I don't think that sounds like an outlandish idea. These guys get paid a lot of money to coach. And there are big expectations on their performance. If Corley didn't want those expectations he should have stayed at West Point. Or he should get out of coaching and go work in an office somewhere making a fraction of what he makes now. I expect Franklin to treat his coaches fairly, and that's it. And I have no reason to believe he was anything but fair with Corley.
If you think my posts are about Corley.....you missed the point.
 
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If CJF was the beneficiary of all the talent on "O" we had in '16 and '17 then so was JoeMo. We lost a lot of talent after '17.
 
And he under performed because receivers dropped the ball? Did he conduct ball dropping drills? I hope Hamler doesn't get pissed and transfer. Seems the kid thought his coach did a hell of a job..... I see where Johnson had surgery on his hand today. Perhaps a reason he under performed. I respect Franklin's right to pick the staff he wants. I don't respect posters calling for heads to roll after every game. Great coaches have one thing in common......great players. Perhaps we are looking in the wrong direction.
In yesterday's game, open receivers dropped at least 4 balls...this has nothing to do with coaching.
The punt team gave up contain....do you believe the special teams coach did not assign and emphasize this responsibility?
On the fake punt a direct snap was dropped by the upback, blowing up the play.....this was the fault of the coach?
2 chip shot field goals were missed.....surely this is a coaching mistake.
According to expert opinion on this board, coaching is at the root of all of our losses and our woes
 
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And he under performed because receivers dropped the ball? Did he conduct ball dropping drills? I hope Hamler doesn't get pissed and transfer. Seems the kid thought his coach did a hell of a job..... I see where Johnson had surgery on his hand today. Perhaps a reason he under performed. I respect Franklin's right to pick the staff he wants. I don't respect posters calling for heads to roll after every game. Great coaches have one thing in common......great players. Perhaps we are looking in the wrong direction.
In yesterday's game, open receivers dropped at least 4 balls...this has nothing to do with coaching.
The punt team gave up contain....do you believe the special teams coach did not assign and emphasize this responsibility?
On the fake punt a direct snap was dropped by the upback, blowing up the play.....this was the fault of the coach?
2 chip shot field goals were missed.....surely this is a coaching mistake.
Obviously it was more than dropping balls. I posted awhile back that Franklin neglected to say anything positive about Corley after praising Seider and Bowen. His comment was that he had difficulty adjusting. Other posters questioned whether he was talking about recruiting. Apparently there is more to the story and Franklin isn't going to say anymore than what was in his release.

In that presser, I also don't think he mentioned Galiano, so I don't think he is out of woods yet, but he does have a history with Franklin and was on staff last year as a consultant. With some many young players on special teams, he might get a pass for this year, but Franklin wasn't impressed in the post-game presser.
 
O’Brien’s teams did more with less than Franklin’s first 2 teams. Franklin got it right when he fired Donovan and brought in Moorhead. If Rahne were the answer I would have liked to have seen the offense improve instead of regress over the course of the year. It looked like the effect of Moorhead’s coaching gradually wore off over the course of the year, and I don’t think the offense has bottomed to the level we will see long term if Rahne stays in place.

Regarding the National Championship, I don’t see the playoffs happening with Rahne as OC. Would love to be proven wrong.

O'Brien's first team had excellent talent and experience. He had no business losing to Ohio and Virginia. Now, I give him a pass in the Virginia game due to the missed field goals. However, the fact that the 2012 team was a great on the field miracle by O'Brien is a myth. 8-4? Franklin came in when the OL room was completely depleted. The sanctions had a much greater impact on CJF and folks should understand that's why BOB exited stage right.
 
Obviously it was more than dropping balls. I posted awhile back that Franklin neglected to say anything positive about Corley after praising Seider and Bowen. His comment was that he had difficulty adjusting. Other posters questioned whether he was talking about recruiting. Apparently there is more to the story and Franklin isn't going to say anymore than what was in his release.

In that presser, I also don't think he mentioned Galiano, so I don't think he is out of woods yet, but he does have a history with Franklin and was on staff last year as a consultant. With some many young players on special teams, he might get a pass for this year, but Franklin wasn't impressed in the post-game presser.

If you recall, Corley was initially hired as RB coach. I doubt Franklin knew Seider would be available. When that materialized he moved Corley to WR. This was perhaps a quick fix and might very well have been understood as a one year solution. My posts are not a defense of Corley in particular.....but rather a reaction to the fanboy mentality that pervades this board and twitter every game day and for days after a loss (or even a win that isn't a master piece). The solution to every misstep is not to fire the position coach, the coordinator or the HC. But what the hell....let's fire someone...why not?
 
O'Brien's first team had excellent talent and experience. He had no business losing to Ohio and Virginia. Now, I give him a pass in the Virginia game due to the missed field goals. However, the fact that the 2012 team was a great on the field miracle by O'Brien is a myth. 8-4? Franklin came in when the OL room was completely depleted. The sanctions had a much greater impact on CJF and folks should understand that's why BOB exited stage right.

I guess O’Brien won multiple COY awards in 2012 because he was riding the talent and experience he inherited? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. He completely modernized the offense immediately and would have gone 9-3 if not for the Ficken growing pains vs Virginia you mentioned.

No one wanted O’Brien to leave and he knew it. If he were one to shy away from a challenge he wouldn’t have come in the first place. O’Brien left because he wanted to get back to the NFL, plain and simple.
 
I guess O’Brien won multiple COY awards in 2012 because he was riding the talent and experience he inherited? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. He completely modernized the offense immediately and would have gone 9-3 if not for the Ficken growing pains vs Virginia you mentioned.

No one wanted O’Brien to leave and he knew it. If he were one to shy away from a challenge he wouldn’t have come in the first place. O’Brien left because he wanted to get back to the NFL, plain and simple.
COY awards are voted by sportswriters....the same schmucks that spit roasted Joe. The sanctions had less impact on O'Brien than they did on Franklin. It isn't even a debate. Joe was 8-1 with that team and would have won 10 the year before. O'Brien inherited most of those players. Riiiiiiiiiiight!
 
Hopefully Galiano and Limegrover. I am sick of seeing a mediocre offensive line at Penn State. Get someone in there who knows how to turn boys with potential into aggressive men. The crap we've been seeing just isn't cutting it. Sorry.

Well OL will interesting. Been a long time since we had 2 OL go early. Now let's see where they get drafted.
 
I guess O’Brien won multiple COY awards in 2012 because he was riding the talent and experience he inherited? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. He completely modernized the offense immediately and would have gone 9-3 if not for the Ficken growing pains vs Virginia you mentioned.

No one wanted O’Brien to leave and he knew it. If he were one to shy away from a challenge he wouldn’t have come in the first place. O’Brien left because he wanted to get back to the NFL, plain and simple.
OBrien came here in the first place...not to take on a challenge:
1. He failed to get a HC job after the Super Bowl run and was being replaced as OC by Josh McDaniel ...who had returned to the Patriots. O'Brien did not have a contract for 2012 with the Patriots.
2. O'Brien was "assured" by Judas and Czar Ira the Terrible that there would be no NCAA Sanctions (see his reworked contract).
 
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