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Corley fired

COY awards are voted by sportswriters....the same schmucks that spit roasted Joe. The sanctions had less impact on O'Brien than they did on Franklin. It isn't even a debate. Joe was 8-1 with that team and would have won 10 the year before. O'Brien inherited most of those players. Riiiiiiiiiiight!

What about the 9 guys who transferred last minute including Silas Redd? Get out of here with that ish
 
O’Brien’s teams did more with less than Franklin’s first 2 teams. Franklin got it right when he fired Donovan and brought in Moorhead. If Rahne were the answer I would have liked to have seen the offense improve instead of regress over the course of the year. It looked like the effect of Moorhead’s coaching gradually wore off over the course of the year, and I don’t think the offense has bottomed to the level we will see long term if Rahne stays in place.

Regarding the National Championship, I don’t see the playoffs happening with Rahne as OC. Would love to be proven wrong.

O’Brien had a veteran roster compared to JF. Think he had 4 NFL offensive linemen. JF’s upperclassmen were from recruiting classes that averaged #50 on Rivals. At least the ones who were left and didn’t transfer. No comparison on the talent level.
 
O'Brien's first team had excellent talent and experience. He had no business losing to Ohio and Virginia. Now, I give him a pass in the Virginia game due to the missed field goals. However, the fact that the 2012 team was a great on the field miracle by O'Brien is a myth. 8-4? Franklin came in when the OL room was completely depleted. The sanctions had a much greater impact on CJF and folks should understand that's why BOB exited stage right.
Interesting if OBrien gets a pass for Ficken does CJF get one for Pinegar. Two ore fg's and we are celebrating.
 
What about the 9 guys who transferred last minute including Silas Redd? Get out of here with that ish

O’Brien won the coach of the year awards because the program didn’t implode, not necessarily because of his actual coaching. And he deserves great credit for that. But I never thought his actual gameday coaching was that great.
 
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What about the 9 guys who transferred last minute including Silas Redd? Get out of here with that ish
Silas Redd got hurt and never did shit after he left. Should we assume he would have stayed and been an All American? The kicker was the only other guy we missed and he transferred due to a family illness that had nothing to do with the sanctions. The biggest issue O'Brien had to deal with was the adverse publicity and holding things together after the sanction announcements....while his agent was quietly getting his contract reworked behind the scenes. None of this changes the fact that he inherited a very experienced and solid roster in 2012.
 
Silas Redd got hurt and never did shit after he left. Should we assume he would have stayed and been an All American? The kicker was the only other guy we missed and he transferred due to a family illness that had nothing to do with the sanctions. The biggest issue O'Brien had to deal with was the adverse publicity and holding things together after the sanction announcements....while his agent was quietly getting his contract reworked behind the scenes. None of this changes the fact that he inherited a very experienced and solid roster in 2012.

Ever heard of Justin Brown?

You also can’t overstate the fact that Bill O’Brien’s teams were pretty much playing for pride.
 
Ficken only played because Fera transferred last minute due to sanctions.
You need to learn to read. Anthony Fera transferred to Texas when his Mother was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis.The internet is a wonderful tool...you can still find the articles stating this and others where Anthony states that otherwise he never would have left Penn State.
 
Ever heard of Justin Brown?

You also can’t overstate the fact that Bill O’Brien’s teams were pretty much playing for pride.
Justin Brown transferred and had a very good season for Oklahoma. Guess who stepped in and had a better season for PSU in his absence? A guy named Allen Robinson. Who caught more balls, for more yards and more TDs. Justin went on to a nice career in Canada. Allen Robinson did okay too, did you ever hear of him?
 
Justin Brown transferred and had a very good season for Oklahoma. Guess who stepped in and had a better season for PSU in his absence? A guy named Allen Robinson. Who caught more balls, for more yards and more TDs. Justin went on to a nice career in Canada. Allen Robinson did okay too, did you ever hear of him?

So I assume only one WR plays at a time? Lol

Back to my point: I would have been fine with the offensive performance this year if the offense looked well coached. The O’Brien offenses looked well coached. The 2 Franklin offenses with Moorhead looked well coached. The other Franklin offenses did not.
 
So I assume only one WR plays at a time? Lol

Back to my point: I would have been fine with the offensive performance this year if the offense looked well coached. The O’Brien offenses looked well coached. The 2 Franklin offenses with Moorhead looked well coached. The other Franklin offenses did not.

20 posts in nearly 18 years? Post more frequently please.
 
Poor Hamler complaining about Corley being fired on Twitter. Welcome to the real world, kid. This is a valuable life lesson. You aren’t coddled in the real world. If you don’t do a good job, you lose your job.
 
Poor Hamler complaining about Corley being fired on Twitter. Welcome to the real world, kid. This is a valuable life lesson. You aren’t coddled in the real world. If you don’t do a good job, you lose your job.

Hamler is obviously closer to the situation than any of us. Maybe Hamler doesn’t see a reason for him to be fired.
 
So I assume only one WR plays at a time? Lol

Back to my point: I would have been fine with the offensive performance this year if the offense looked well coached. The O’Brien offenses looked well coached. The 2 Franklin offenses with Moorhead looked well coached. The other Franklin offenses did not.
You must have slept thru O'Brien's 2nd year.
 
Poor Hamler complaining about Corley being fired on Twitter. Welcome to the real world, kid. This is a valuable life lesson. You aren’t coddled in the real world. If you don’t do a good job, you lose your job.

Link? Don't see anything of the sort on his twitter feed.
 
Poor Hamler complaining about Corley being fired on Twitter. Welcome to the real world, kid. This is a valuable life lesson. You aren’t coddled in the real world. If you don’t do a good job, you lose your job.
Yes, screw Hamler....who needs him! When PSU has tuff guy fans like you!
 
Link? Don't see anything of the sort on his twitter feed.
There is an entire thread on his twitter account where he is calling out the twitter idiots who are reveling in Corley's firing. KJ rightfully putting the idiots in their place by saying that this is a good man with a family and just bought a house. Fans have a tendency to forget that these coaches are people too with real lives. It isn't fantasy football.

I do wonder how a person would feel if they were fired and everyone was cheering it. Probably wouldn't make you feel too good even if it is part of your profession.
 
There is an entire thread on his twitter account where he is calling out the twitter idiots who are reveling in Corley's firing. KJ rightfully putting the idiots in their place by saying that this is a good man with a family and just bought a house. Fans have a tendency to forget that these coaches are people too with real lives. It isn't fantasy football.

I do wonder how a person would feel if they were fired and everyone was cheering it. Probably wouldn't make you feel too good even if it is part of your profession.
I am so proud of the young man, yet saddened by the fact that a 19 year old has more compassion, wisdom, loyalty and common sense than a portion of the PSU "fan base."
 
There is an entire thread on his twitter account where he is calling out the twitter idiots who are reveling in Corley's firing. KJ rightfully putting the idiots in their place by saying that this is a good man with a family and just bought a house. Fans have a tendency to forget that these coaches are people too with real lives. It isn't fantasy football.

I do wonder how a person would feel if they were fired and everyone was cheering it. Probably wouldn't make you feel too good even if it is part of your profession.

Apparently hamler has two twitter accounts.

https://twitter.com/kjhamler76?lang=en
https://twitter.com/kj_hamler?lang=en
 
Glad he made the move but it does seem that Franklin handled it very coldly.

I hope Rahne is also moving on. It just didn't look to me like Rahne was adding much value in terms of play calling or preparation.

Last two years with Moorhead, at critical times in big games Moorhead would call (or sometimes invent) a play that really took advantage of what a defense was doing. Rahne was not able to do that this year.

I just don't get the sense that Rahne is on top of things enough to be able to attack a defense on the fly.

In clutch situations PSU is running the same plays that they ran all game -- just not surprising defenses at all.

I also really think coordinators should be on the field with their players in college football. These guys are basically kids, they need their coach there for leadership and confidence. Moorehead on the sidelines made a difference. Pry on the sideline is leading his players. Rahne is not.
IIRC Moorhead started out up in the box but wound up on the sideline. With McSorley and Barkley leadership on offense on the sidelines was never lacking. That may be different with the new crop of players. Team chemistry changes
 
LOL. You must have forgotten about Jay Paterno.

That was some offensive system we had. Straight from the 1950s. Verbally telling the wide receiver the play, the wide receiver runs in and tells the play to the QB, then the QB telling the team in the huddle. A well oiled machine! I remember they had to burn all 3 timeouts in the first quarter the one game against Alabama.
I still think Galen Hall was brought in to mentor/ ameliorate Jay as OC. Speaking of which, iirc the play calling workflow had a run caller or a pass caller, then it got phoned down (or by carrier pigeon) to the sideline, with a potential head coach veto (which had to be verbal since said coach didn't believe in headphones) THEN it was run into the huddle just before the clock expired. Actually, in hindsight it's amazing they're aren't MORE feisty of game issues!
 
And he under performed because receivers dropped the ball? Did he conduct ball dropping drills? I hope Hamler doesn't get pissed and transfer. Seems the kid thought his coach did a hell of a job..... I see where Johnson had surgery on his hand today. Perhaps a reason he under performed. I respect Franklin's right to pick the staff he wants. I don't respect posters calling for heads to roll after every game. Great coaches have one thing in common......great players. Perhaps we are looking in the wrong direction.
In yesterday's game, open receivers dropped at least 4 balls...this has nothing to do with coaching.
The punt team gave up contain....do you believe the special teams coach did not assign and emphasize this responsibility?
On the fake punt a direct snap was dropped by the upback, blowing up the play.....this was the fault of the coach?
2 chip shot field goals were missed.....surely this is a coaching mistake.
Wouldn't part of a position coaches responsibilities be the gradual improvement of the players they have throughout the season? Help develop players at a particular position?
 
Where would Penn St football be without two guys: Saquon Barkley and Allen Robinson. The amount of defeciencies those two covered up cannot be exaggerated.

Hamler covered up a few this year already and saved us in the App St game and probably would have vs OSU before getting hurt. The guy should have over 10 touches per game minimum including kick and punt returns.
 
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Where would Penn St football be without two guys: Saquon Barkley and Allen Robinson. The amount of defeciencies those two covered up cannot be exaggerated.

Hamler covered up a few this year already and saved us in the App St game and probably would have vs OSU before getting hurt. The guy should have over 10 touches per game minimum including kick and punt returns.
I’d say in the area of ten touches a game, plus punts and kicks. One guy that can take a play 40+ yards can make up for an awful lot of bad offense.
 
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I’d say in the area of ten touches a game, plus punts and kicks. One guy that can take a play 40+ yards can make up for an awful lot of bad offense.

I know JF consulted with Andy Reid during the season. Would it kill Rahne or JF to also look at how the Chiefs use a similar player in Tyreek Hill? Even when he's not catching the ball he's influencing the game because he is so lethal. I know Mahomes is special but even with Alex Smith that offense was very good. The ingredients are there with KJ and Freiermuth to be the Tyreek and Kelce.
 
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Where would Penn St football be without two guys: Saquon Barkley and Allen Robinson. The amount of defeciencies those two covered up cannot be exaggerated.

Hamler covered up a few this year already and saved us in the App St game and probably would have vs OSU before getting hurt. The guy should have over 10 touches per game minimum including kick and punt returns.

I don't totally agree with this sentiment. Do you recall how often Barkley was stopped behind the LOS? We were much more productive last year at WR, and combined with a healthy TM, teams had to defend the entire field. Biggest issue this year was lack of WR productivity. Hamlet was good for 2-3 big catches, but that was the extent it seemed.
 
I don't totally agree with this sentiment. Do you recall how often Barkley was stopped behind the LOS? We were much more productive last year at WR, and combined with a healthy TM, teams had to defend the entire field. Biggest issue this year was lack of WR productivity. Hamlet was good for 2-3 big catches, but that was the extent it seemed.

If you don't think Saquon was a difference maker and made life easier for every other player on offense because he lost yards on some carries I can't help you.
 
If you don't think Saquon was a difference maker and made life easier for every other player on offense because he lost yards on some carries I can't help you.

Your reading comprehension needs work.

I can't help you with that.

That being said, Miles 5.8 yds per carry 2018. Barkley 5.9 yards per carry 2017. Says it all right there.
 
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