Many people (apparently including you) have assumed and opined, without evidence, that the bulk of Piazza's alcohol consumption was involuntary, and that it occurred during a hazing event.
I haven't assumed anything, seems like you're only quoting part of my response. The only thing I know about the case is whats in the press and what's on here. But 19 minutes, even mixed with other activities is enough time to get someone royally messed up.
Then let's be a little more specific. According to the Presentment, the Gauntlet for Piazza consisted of the following:
I have no issue with that, but what you've said about drinking voluntarily and getting really messed up during the gauntlet aren't mutually exclusive. Seems like if he got hammered during the gauntlet, drinks he had after that aren't really "voluntary". But I agree, the defendants should have their day untainted by SPM (if in fact that's true).
True, but that seems a bit semantical to me. They operate as a "local" (rather than national) sorority that is not recognized or regulated by the University. I wonder how long that will continue, after this incident.
So, those are facts, and based solely on that I agree you wouldn't get a BAC of what Tim had. I just don't think it's fair to posit these questions, then say it was obviously rhetorical (because it isn't obvious) when you're presented with something that you don't agree with (instead of actually laying out facts like you did).
Yeah, the Beta house is essentially shut down, and he will be living in an apartment with a few friends. But in this age of social media, it seems increasingly easy to track someone down if you have their name, and my guess is that someone could procure a list of Beta members if they were diligent. I hope not, but am assuming the opposite..
Actually, in PA, the "victims" actions and responsibility are not an element of defense for the IM charge (strange as that may seem)
Then prosecute them for hazing, or for providing alcohol to an underage person, rather than for manslaughter. .
There's no "element of defense" here. We're just talking about negating the prosecution's argument that the forced drinking was the direct cause of the death. The argument will be that the dead guy's voluntary drinking and the girls texting on the stairs caused the fall that contributed to the death.
Yeah, believe it or not involuntary manslaughter requires a dead guy (or gal).
But it was supposed to be a dry Frat. The kid was underage and the frat supplied him with alcohol. And then when the kid was in serious trouble, the frat bros did less than nothing... they abused the kid. Forget about the hazing, that's not the real problem here.
"Abused him?" We'll see if that narrative holds up at trial.
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Stacy Parks Miller is again working like hell to be sure that her texts are not exposed. She's been doing this for years.
Well the guy looked to be about 200 pounds. If he had ten drinks, 1.25 oz 80% booze, a 12 oz. beer, or 5 oz. of wine, gives him a BAC of about .19. His BAC appears to be well over .19, not going to argue the .4, but that is still well over ten drinks to get over 2. Piazza slammed a lot of alcohol.
C'mon. We all know what happened here. Piazza did this voluntarily, and had a great time right up until he fell. If he hadn't fallen, he would have woken up the next morning with a hangover and told stories about what a great night he had. A large number of other kids on campus probably drank similar amounts of alcohol. Piazza wasn't forced to do anything he didn't want to do. Yet, the "hazing" statute in Pennsylvania is so overbroad that it criminalizes this event, and gives the prosecutor and her fan boys a great talking point to use to try to taint the jury pool.
Yes. But so is yelling at him, calling him names and forcing him to clean your room. Very broad definition now. The kids are definitely in trouble but it does not sound as malicious as the Media narrative.
That would be funny if true. I have said this before, but fraternity hazing is borrowed from various groups such as the masons and the military. Ideally, the goal is to encourage teamwork and a bond among the pledges which will make them better brothers. The tragedies occur because you have 20ish kids running the show.
