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E-SPiN keeps misquoting CJF's record against Top 10....

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He came into this year 3-17.... lost to duhO$U and Oregon.... They're now saying he's 4-19, which is wrong as CJF has beat two consecutive Top 10 teams in the CFP Playoffs as SMU and BSU are ranked 9th and 10th respectively in the Final CFP Selection Rankings. So he's actually now 2-2 versus Final CFP Top 10... and 5-19 overall (and I believe the vast majority of the 19 were ranked Top 5 at the time of play and favored to beat PSU. Show me all these other teams that have played the number of Top 5 teams CJF has played in his first 10 years.
 
E-spin has an agenda and they’re sticking to it…
Their agenda that Penn State is dangerous and a threat while acknowledging the concern is Franklin's history against top teams....doesn't sound like an agenda. Sounds like reality
 
He came into this year 3-17.... lost to duhO$U and Oregon.... They're now saying he's 4-19, which is wrong as CJF has beat two consecutive Top 10 teams in the CFP Playoffs as SMU and BSU are ranked 9th and 10th respectively in the Final CFP Selection Rankings. So he's actually now 2-2 versus Final CFP Top 10... and 5-19 overall (and I believe the vast majority of the 19 were ranked Top 5 at the time of play and favored to beat PSU. Show me all these other teams that have played the number of Top 5 teams CJF has played in his first 10 years.

So true. They use a different record every week.
 
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Their agenda that Penn State is dangerous and a threat while acknowledging the concern is Franklin's history against top teams....doesn't sound like an agenda. Sounds like reality
Nah, that’s a nuanced version of what they say. I actually agree with what you’re saying but E-spin doesn’t do that. They’re incapable of seeing things objectively so they like to promote certain storylines.
 
Not legit top teams and anyone outside of PennState recognizes that.
Only haters believe this nonsense. Or, insufferable Penn State fans. Not a single coach believes what you stated. How many teams must be upset every weekend before folks get, every game is real, and all teams show up to play. Vandy and Bama say hello.

No, anyone outside of Penn State does not recognize that. Even espn doesn't.
 
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Nah, that’s a nuanced version of what they say. I actually agree with what you’re saying but E-spin doesn’t do that. They’re incapable of seeing things objectively so they like to promote certain storylines.
I--it depends who you're talking about. Herbie and McAfee (who I can';t stand) have been very pro-Penn State all year--Fowler too. Desmond and Galloway made it clear yesterday they didn't think Boise had any shot. Now, that narrative likely changes next week because it will be our first "big" game in the playoff.

I love our draw but, truthfully, we have to acknowledge it couldn't have been easier to this point.
 
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Only haters believe this nonsense. Or, insufferable Penn State fans. Not a single coach believes what you stated. How many teams must be upset every weekend before folks get, every game is real, and all teams show up to play. Vandy and Bama say hello.

No, anyone outside of Penn State does not recognize that. Even espn doesn't.
But doesn't everyone give Franklin credit for beating the teams he's supposed to????
 
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Nah, that’s a nuanced version of what they say. I actually agree with what you’re saying but E-spin doesn’t do that. They’re incapable of seeing things objectively so they like to promote certain storylines.
You mean like proclaiming that Boise was 3-0 in the Fiesta while never mentioning Penn State was 7-0 in the same venue?
 
You mean like proclaiming that Boise was 3-0 in the Fiesta while never mentioning Penn State was 7-0 in the same venue?
Every single time ESPN mentioned Boise State someone added "Penn State is 7-0". Every article--every live show--every single thing that I saw and I watch way too much.
 
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You mean like proclaiming that Boise was 3-0 in the Fiesta while never mentioning Penn State was 7-0 in the same venue?

Exactly. Just like exclusively focusing on BSU's incredible ability to run the ball, their running game and RB....... while PSU's running game is doubling them up in rushing yardage.... and YPC..... but not a single mention of PSU's rushing game and RBs just destroying and shredding BSU's defense... and being a key factor in the game (i.e., PSU's ability to run the ball at will, and control the game with it, while BSU was unable to run the ball in an impactful way [Jeantry only averaged 3.5 YPC which is below average for all of FBS])???
 
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You mean like proclaiming that Boise was 3-0 in the Fiesta while never mentioning Penn State was 7-0 in the same venue?

I rarely saw anything discussing one team being undefeated in the Fiesta without mentioning the other team also was. In fact, saw a number of commentary to the effect of "one undefeated record has to fall".

I think the better quibble is there was a number of references to the big time Boise St win over Oklahoma - that basically put the Broncos on the college football map - but not as much about the 1987 Fiesta that was super hyped and a de facto national championship. And, realistically, made the Fiesta into a major bowl game. The broadcast did have a little overview coming back from commercial once but you could easily make a huge deal about that game. IIRC it still hold the record for the largest viewership of a college football game ever (not in sheer numbers since the US population has grown, but in terms of TV share).
 
Here’s another point re whatever the record is vs top 10. I looked at the AP rankings in the JF era a few weeks ago. When losing to top 10 teams, we’re not losing to 8;9;10 teams. We’re losing to 1;2;3 ranked teams. Sure, it would be nice to win some, but far less shame in losing to them. The reason teams are ranked high is that nobody is beating them.
 
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Here’s another point re whatever the record is vs top 10. I looked at the AP rankings in the JF era a few weeks ago. When losing to top 10 teams, we’re not losing to 8;9;10 teams. We’re losing to 1;2;3 ranked teams. Sure, it would be nice to win some, but far less shame in losing to them. The reason teams are ranked high is that nobody is beating them.
The reason they are 1 2 or 3 is they play the same garbage big 10 schedule. Michigan OSU always seem to be undefeated or lose one game. PSU this year like most PSU plays the same garbage teams and lose to UM and OSU.
 
He came into this year 3-17.... lost to duhO$U and Oregon.... They're now saying he's 4-19, which is wrong as CJF has beat two consecutive Top 10 teams in the CFP Playoffs as SMU and BSU are ranked 9th and 10th respectively in the Final CFP Selection Rankings. So he's actually now 2-2 versus Final CFP Top 10... and 5-19 overall (and I believe the vast majority of the 19 were ranked Top 5 at the time of play and favored to beat PSU. Show me all these other teams that have played the number of Top 5 teams CJF has played in his first 10 years.
The AP is pure garbage, the very definition of fake news. Their sports section is no better. ESPN, the sports arm of ABC/Disney is even worse.
 
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He came into this year 3-17.... lost to duhO$U and Oregon.... They're now saying he's 4-19, which is wrong as CJF has beat two consecutive Top 10 teams in the CFP Playoffs as SMU and BSU are ranked 9th and 10th respectively in the Final CFP Selection Rankings. So he's actually now 2-2 versus Final CFP Top 10... and 5-19 overall (and I believe the vast majority of the 19 were ranked Top 5 at the time of play and favored to beat PSU. Show me all these other teams that have played the number of Top 5 teams CJF has played in his first 10 years.

Is there anyone who ISN'T out to get you?
 
He came into this year 3-17.... lost to duhO$U and Oregon.... They're now saying he's 4-19, which is wrong as CJF has beat two consecutive Top 10 teams in the CFP Playoffs as SMU and BSU are ranked 9th and 10th respectively in the Final CFP Selection Rankings. So he's actually now 2-2 versus Final CFP Top 10... and 5-19 overall (and I believe the vast majority of the 19 were ranked Top 5 at the time of play and favored to beat PSU. Show me all these other teams that have played the number of Top 5 teams CJF has played in his first 10 years.
E-SPIN = The Antichrist of football.
 
1. Most pundits don't know your team as well as you do. Many are young with a very narrow perspective .

2. Bias is rampant in sports and no one is immune including people here.

3. Many pundits are former jocks and are dumb. And biased. For example on one choice of former Alabama running back talking about how George is going to give Penn State problems with their defense. Penn State played a much stronger defense in Ohio State already and they hung with them. Texas didn't impress me that much, and Texas barely got by Georgia. Who barely got by Georgia Tech.

Penn State can hang with anyone, so enjoy watching them for the rest of the year.
 
He came into this year 3-17.... lost to duhO$U and Oregon.... They're now saying he's 4-19, which is wrong as CJF has beat two consecutive Top 10 teams in the CFP Playoffs as SMU and BSU are ranked 9th and 10th respectively in the Final CFP Selection Rankings. So he's actually now 2-2 versus Final CFP Top 10... and 5-19 overall (and I believe the vast majority of the 19 were ranked Top 5 at the time of play and favored to beat PSU. Show me all these other teams that have played the number of Top 5 teams CJF has played in his first 10 years.
Their reporting seems accurate. On December 7th Boise was ranked #8 and SMU was ranked #12 in both AP and coaches polls.

Your upset that they didn't use college football playoff poll which had SMU #10. Is it really that big of a deal? Does 5-19 vs 4-19 really invalidate their point?
 
1. Most pundits don't know your team as well as you do. Many are young with a very narrow perspective .

2. Bias is rampant in sports and no one is immune including people here.

3. Many pundits are former jocks and are dumb. And biased. For example on one choice of former Alabama running back talking about how George is going to give Penn State problems with their defense. Penn State played a much stronger defense in Ohio State already and they hung with them. Texas didn't impress me that much, and Texas barely got by Georgia. Who barely got by Georgia Tech.

Penn State can hang with anyone, so enjoy watching them for the rest of the year.

Let's look at your 3rd point. So you first accuse others of being dumb. You then go on to produce an illiterate bunch of nonsense ... "on one choice of former Alabama running back talking about how George is going to ..."

And, if you trudge through the muck of illiteracy, what little can be gleamed from your words suggests that it's wrong to suggest Georgia's defense could give us problems, because we already faced OSU's defense. You know, that OSU defense which we dominated by producing, offensively, exactly 2 FGs, with Singleton and Allen combining for 42 rushing yards on 18 carries and Allar putting forward his worst performance of the year.

Obviously, we hung with OSU because of our defense ... and OSU's defense certainly did give us problems. And then some. So your point is completely pointless.

What you COULD have pointed out was that Georgia's defense isn't as good as some other defenses we've faced this year, and had some offensive success against ... like Minny and Oregon (though we barely eked out a win against one, and lost to the other), and that the only defense to shut us down this year happens to be the best one in the nation (OSU). But you had to go and make the Alabama running back look like a super genius in comparison to your own commentary.

Good going.
 
You mean like proclaiming that Boise was 3-0 in the Fiesta while never mentioning Penn State was 7-0 in the same venue?
Except ESPN clearly mentioned PSU's record in the Fiesta Bowl. Don't confuse your ignorance for the bias of others.
 
The media thinks every coach should be fired if they don't win the championship. It's what they do. It stirs emotions and chums the fan base to engage. Unfortunately, a large chunk of fan bases are sheep. James Franklin is a great coach, and Penn State is lucky to have him.
 
The media thinks every coach should be fired if they don't win the championship. It's what they do. It stirs emotions and chums the fan base to engage. Unfortunately, a large chunk of fan bases are sheep. James Franklin is a great coach, and Penn State is lucky to have him.
So far I would put him in the Hall of Very Good as our friend Chicken Man likes to say. He has a way to go before proclaiming him great.
 
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