Carter is wrestling the post-season, going to give it a shot. He really does not want to wrestle next year, he will not want to end his college career missing the post-season. The typical person is 3 to 12 weeks recovery, Carter is not the typical person. He will get therapy 3 to 4 times a day to speed the process, the common person gets therapy 3 times a week. He is a world class athlete, incredibly fit and strong. His leg muscles will help stabilize the knee a lot more than the common person. He is incredibly tough and determined. PSU does not need points to win NCAAs, if he trys and cannot go, PSU still wins. Nolf wrestled on one leg with a worse knee injury if the LCL speculation about Carter is true.
Match Thread Edinboro dual - Sun. Feb. 25 at 2 pm
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A secondary worry is that Carter hasn’t been at optimal conditioning due to lingering sickness. Even assuming he can wrestle with this, his ability to be at optimal conditioning would seem to be compromised. 
And he will probably still win his 4th.A secondary worry is that Carter hasn’t been at optimal conditioning due to lingering sickness. Even assuming he can wrestle with this, his ability to be at optimal conditioning would seem to be compromised.
BTW, credit to Carter’s opponent, Joey Arnold, for going out of his way to make sure he got to shake Carter’s hand and say something before they helped Carter off.
We talked about this same thing on the way home from the match today. Carter was looking like he did in the early season lately. We're hoping it will not effect his conditioning too much.A secondary worry is that Carter hasn’t been at optimal conditioning due to lingering sickness. Even assuming he can wrestle with this, his ability to be at optimal conditioning would seem to be compromised.
I was outside Rec Hall at maybe 1:05ish. Up walks Beau Bartlett, carrying what looked like take-out food in a take-out bag. He didn’t look like someone wrestling in a little over an hour.
Nolf's knee injury occurred in late January, about a month earlier in the wrestling season. So Nolf had 4 weeks more recovery time before postseason than Starocci does. So not really apples to apples.
I’d imagine much like Jason we’ll see a different Carter should he go at Nationals. More focus on riding and turning opponents. I’ll never forget the dominance Jason displayed from the top position against Jordan during his title run. Brutal stuff.
One huge edge Starocci would have in dealing with an injury is his elite top game.
If he has his back up against the wall, his opponent is not getting out from bottom.
If he has his back up against the wall, his opponent is not getting out from bottom.
As the one seed Starocci would get 2 byes and could finish no lower than 6th at Big Tens. Is that right? He wouldn't have to medically default until the 3rd round? Just thinking out loud. That would give him close to 4 weeks to mend for nationals.
1/2 seed gets a bye in the first round, which puts them into the quarters by default, win that and he's Top 6 which qualifies him for nationals.
Being here in Pennsylvania I never heard of Pennsylvania western til now. There really is now Penn west. It was just a dumb marketing plan by some moron educators. Clarion is still clarion. Edinboro is still edinboro. In the north central part of the state they merged the administration of Bloomsburg loch haven and Mansfield and called it Commonwealth. Whatever.
Ah OK, looking at the brackets it was Starocci vs Bye and he won by bye. He has to actually win one match on the mat then?
Interesting Flo doc on just that a few years old now.
Edinboro got an administration in the mid 80s that wanted to feature wrestling and hired Mike DeAnna, fresh off college success at Iowa and a member of the U.S. team. His teammate on the national team was Bruce. DeAnna from Cleveland area and Bruce’s northern Jersey roots were perfect.
For any wrestling officials out there, should the match be stopped for reaching a 15+ point advantage when the near fall criteria has ended or when the hold is completely released (per the highlighted area below)? At the 0:35 mark Carter's opponent basically got back past a 45 degree angle, but Carter still had the deep waist. Per the NCAA Rule Book:
Near Fall Criteria. A near fall is a position in which the offensive wrestler has the opponent in a controlled pinning situation in which any one of the following three criteria are met: a. The defensive wrestler is held in a high bridge or on both elbows; Any part of one shoulder or scapula, or the head is touching the mat and the other shoulder or scapula is held at an angle of 45 degrees or less to the mat; or c. Any part of both shoulders or both scapulae are held within four inches of the mat. A near fall is ended when the defensive wrestler is no longer in one of the three criteria positions. The referee shall not award near fall until the match time expires or when the hold used to secure the near fall criterion is completely released.
Before he took the Edinboro job he was a grad assistant at Oklahoma State. He wrestled for Indiana State. I met him once at States. He was a big man .
When the hold is released, because he can still work for the pin with the same hold.
Oh yeah. We should be talking about this.
But also about Kerkvliet taking part.
True, though refs typically don't consider a deep waist by itself to be a hold for NF purposes. Typically it means something tying up an arm or the head.
I was surprised it wasn’t stopped but I can see the logic behind letting it play out as it appeared the Boro kid was still working to fight off his back.
I read the rules and I understand why maybe back points were not awarded in Carter's match. However I think in a blowout team and individual match the ref could of ended it and no one would of complained.
As an official you should be aware of the moment. I coached and then umpired Babe Ruth Baseball. If it was a blowout (no 10-15 run rule) and losing team ran out a young pitcher , I was going to widen the strike zone.
As an official you should be aware of the moment. I coached and then umpired Babe Ruth Baseball. If it was a blowout (no 10-15 run rule) and losing team ran out a young pitcher , I was going to widen the strike zone.
Cael didn’t seem down and neither did Brooks who is pretty close with CStar. They know and the body language didn’t reflect doom and gloom. He may have to pull a Nolf and default at B1Gs and battle from a 4 seed at nationals.
Rule has since changed for that reason
But Carter clearly didn’t want the tech, but the fall, and the official let it play out liberally to that script. It happened fast, so while I certainly would have loved a different call a second before the injury, it wasn’t an official’s error IMO.
A hobbled Starocci still wins a natty. 174 after him is the weakest weight in the country. Mekhi and Griffith ain’t doing it, and after that, Devos or Pat Kennedy? No way.
Well I actually didn't remember this, but it seems encouraging.
My aunt said she saw on X that a hyperextended knee. Take it for what it’s worth.
There's no sense stressing over Carter. It's gonna be what it's gonna be. He's got the best trainer and best staff to help him through it. If they can't make it happen, no one can.
Thanks. I guess the question is, is only having the deep waist part of the original hold?
Some things about the match today:
The Edinboro kids came to scrap. There was no hint of Hawkeye or Wolverine about them.
I have been following wrestling for over half a century. I have never seen a match where none of the bouts went into the third period.
Carter looked fantastic until... Man, I hope, for his sake, that he recovers quickly.
We are going into Big Tens with SIX undefeated wrestlers! Has that ever happened before?
A trivia question on the scoreboard asked between matches a question about how many points Penn State has scored in duel meets this season. How embarrassing.
Edinboro had zero takedowns.
The Edinboro kids came to scrap. There was no hint of Hawkeye or Wolverine about them.
I have been following wrestling for over half a century. I have never seen a match where none of the bouts went into the third period.
Carter looked fantastic until... Man, I hope, for his sake, that he recovers quickly.
We are going into Big Tens with SIX undefeated wrestlers! Has that ever happened before?
A trivia question on the scoreboard asked between matches a question about how many points Penn State has scored in duel meets this season. How embarrassing.
Edinboro had zero takedowns.
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My money’s on an LCL injury or an injury to the Iliotibial Band. Those are the main structures on the outside (lateral side) of the knee and that’s where the force happened. I’ve injured both. I’m looking on the bright side that his leg wasn’t planted. Those are going to freakin’ hurt when they happen, but like someone said, he will have had an MRI and treatment/rehab would have started immediately since this was a home dual.
Stay positive people.
A post I didn't like as it is disrespectful of a DI wrestler.
Based on the standard of the first post, Cael's teams would have noone to wrestle.
A post I did like.
Based on the standard of the first post, Cael's teams would have noone to wrestle.
