Yes, Nagao pulled down on the back of Bouzakis's head gear gaining a positional advantage right before his TD and thus it was waived off. Was confused as well so I rewatched the match on BTN Plus and it was a pretty clear offense.
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This^^^^ 100%. Why do you think a 1 point deduction has not been implemented for a failed challenge? Something that would be so easily implemented and accepted. It is never(as far as I know) even discussed when rule changes are being considered. I don't personally know anyone who would be against it. I believe it would cause very, very little controversy, yet it is never even talked about except on this message board from time to time.
Mitchell Mesenbrink vs Bryce Hepner - 165 LBS Full Match, with the Jeff Byers Call
I am not sure I like a kid losing a point for an error with the coach's decision making, even in Free. Losing the brick on a lost challenge is a decent deterrent.
I definitely think they need to clean up the coaches influencing the refs or guilting them into a free review where no brick is thrown. No bueno.
I don't know how they clean up coaches bullying refs into free reviews, when the refs are in charge of that process. Spinal implant surgery?
Watching this I don’t see this as MM’s problem. Hepner is a D1 athlete wrestling for one of the better teams in the country and is really good in top. Nagao put a ride in RBY last year and everyone gave props to Nagao.
Thankfully you’re not a ranker. Drop an undefeated wrestler because he won on what you/most feel is a bad call? Cmon now.
The rules are vague with this new reaction time focus. Until they define how long is reaction time no review is going to help. It’s refs decision.
If you’re going to start dropping people in rankings for winning, how do you move up? Losing?
Now that is a bit of an over reaction. How about this?
Given that we have had 6 or 7 #1 125s lose this season, some to much lower ranked kids, I think the most humane thing to do with this hot mess of a weight class is to rank the top 9 guys all #9, recognizing that pretty much anyone in the top 20 might AA this year, but that none deserve the actual AA level ranking because they are just going to lose yet again once they get it.
They can put titanium (I believe) rods along their spine to strengthen them. My daughter has them.
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Read Barbee's entire thread, plus the comments. Barbee's point is interesting, especially from his professional perspective, though IDK where to draw the line and how to do so in a way that will be reffed consistently.
One of the comments is dangerously close to the UWW "correct throw" nonsense -- the sport needs to steer clear of that dreck.
And Kilkesry and David had history. Kilkeary won the first two times they wrestled.
I thought the locked hands was a direct result of the ref not awarding the escape that Nagao tried to give him. Nagao thinking he let him up goes in for TD, locks his hands and got dinged.
I could be wrong though.
Good points, and, yes, it’s best I’m not that or a ref. Vague rules or not, for me, that’s a TD all day and I’m fine with either a marked loss or lower ranking (even after such a “win”). Doesn’t mean I think less of Braedon. I like him even more after the effort against Kilkeary, a tough kid who’s beaten him before.
Certainly, dropping after winning should maybe only happen if a lower ranked guy has a more impressive victory and leapfrogs. Rising while losing might occur with a close loss to a highly ranked guy. No matter. Your take on the rankings will play out. Mine won’t. Either way, we’ll both have continued joy rooting for our unexpected warrior at 125. Can’t wait for Friday v Ayala.
They were issued a bench warning. Probably wouldn't have seen that on TV but would have if you were there.
#4 Stanich lost to a HS kid, Forrest Jax(unattached), #5 Ayala lost to #12 D'Augustino who Davis beat. So I don't see either of them passing Davis after Davis got a win. I don't think the Stanich match counts though?
Woods may have indeed been recovering for illness.
But Woods wouldn’t be the first Iowa wrestler to fail to live up to expectations his final year. In fact, that seems to be the most likely path for their guys.
I have to think the intensity of the Iowa room wears anyone down after 4 calendar years.
After watching Demilio today against Cetta, we probably need to pump the brakes on the Kasak hype train. I'm guilty as well reading too much into Friday nights win.
Demilio is too small at 149 and not close to the AA level he was at 41.
I'm still trying to buy on Kasak, but I'm no longer sold. Beating Demilio is not an AA level win, more like a NQ level win.
Demilio is too small at 149 and not close to the AA level he was at 41.
I'm still trying to buy on Kasak, but I'm no longer sold. Beating Demilio is not an AA level win, more like a NQ level win.
Yeah, was surprised to see D'Emilio struggle and ultimately lose against Cetta. Does take a bit of luster off Kasak's win over D'Emilio.
Does anybody else find it odd that in a year when they've changed the point value of a takedown, we have a loss of clarity as to what actually constitutes a takedown?
I believe Kilkery is redshirting this year (he’s their best option but why waste a year I guess). So McCrone, also a frosh getting the majority of starts as he will be their NCAA rep. Tan Tom to his credit sent his best team on the mat against us
Not really sure there are any brakes to pump. I think the majority of the board is happy we got a true frosh who’s looked great against everyone they’ve put in front of him.
My expectations for Kasak is low AA, bloodround wrestler. I think he’s shown he’s at that level at this point.
Look, we have 2 true freshmen who were locks on redshirting 3 months ago. Both are no question NQs which is a blessing in itself, but to think both have a real shot at AA is just a testament to the depth of this incredible program. Kasak may not be knocking out AA guys left and right but the talent is obvious as well as the growth. Both have done everything asked of them so far, and exceeded IMO. I ain't pumping the brakes on either of them.
Pretty sure they three the brick, but refs wanted to review anyway so they gave the brick back.
I saw an interesting scenario about 20 years ago. Cedar Cliff wrestler in sudden death OT takes the kid down and kid is fighting the TD and ends up on his back. CC kid is trying so hard to pin him that he actually puts own shoulder blades on the mat. Ref calls the fall and CC kid loses by fall even tho he got the sudden death TD. It was crazy.
I was there, across from the table, and I never saw the brick out or handed back. But I guess I could have missed it.
Yes. TanTom’s wrestle-offs are done tournament style and open to the public. Kilkeary actually lost to Peyton Fenton in a prelim and then McCrone beat Fenton in the final. Regardless of that result, Kilkeary is viewed as the higher ceiling guy.
Shumate beat Rogotzke, too, and they officially pulled Rogotzke’s shirt this weekend, so you have to assume he’s the starter going forward.
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don't really care about our guy being ridden as long as he wins and he won!Nolf got ridden once big deal
