if everyone thought Davis was taken down,then why would the refs not overturn the call? They reviewed it long enough. Are we more knowledgeable than the refs?
Match Thread Ohio State dual - Fri, Feb 2
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Of course we are. 😉
For any interested, my writeup of the action is up on BSD, and includes video of the post-press conference.
I would think that this scenario would play out like a locked hands call when you're on bottom: a "free move" scenario. I am not a ref, but I know some on this forum have been. In a sudden death scenario, shouldn't the TD override anything that negative that happens after?
I mean, they train every day together. I’m sure they’ve wrestled hundreds of hours together. The wrestle-off tournament is a pretty official thing, though, and Kilkeary lost before the final in that, so technically, he came out of that as third string.
Shumate had a minor knee surgery (scope I assume) and missed a month but has since come back from that. I don’t know if maybe he had a setback or reinjury or something.
Yea, but there needs to be a time definition of "in a control position" - traditionally, it has been thought to be a full one-count in a "control position". Having each ref make their own determination of how long you need to be in a "control position" before it is a TD is an unnecessary inconsistency. Just define how long you need to be in a "control position".
I don't think I saw this mentioned and apologies if I'm repeating myself. This needs to be considered in the rules. IF Bartlett's TD in OT would have been reversed, it would have really screwed over Bartlett. The ref rewarded the TD to Beau and blew the whistle to stop the match. At the time that he ended the match, Beau was in on a deep single, so, if he hadn't rewarded the points to end the match, he was in an extremely advantageous position.
So, IF they had over-turned it, they start back at neutral, which would have been complete BS for Beau. The only solution I can think of is to let them wrestle through the situation in SV. It's tough, but, that would not have been fair if it had been over-turned. I think it's something that should be seriously considered, as the situation will come up again.
So, IF they had over-turned it, they start back at neutral, which would have been complete BS for Beau. The only solution I can think of is to let them wrestle through the situation in SV. It's tough, but, that would not have been fair if it had been over-turned. I think it's something that should be seriously considered, as the situation will come up again.
This is the NCAA rule for such a situation:
A wrestler earning the first point(s) in the sudden-victory period of any round of overtime can lose only by committing a post match flagrant misconduct.
Everybody noticed the Maryland coach have a few choice words for our coaches in the hand shake line. Yet I found it hilarious after the Ohio State dual seeing Jaggers look like a little baby while completely looking away from our coaches while having a pouty face. Funny the way he also got pissed at Willie years back for the tweet he said about tOSU. Definitely a poor sport.
In this instance YES, 'we', Tom Ryan, Willie, Pyles, the announcers, countless podcasters, and anyone else with unbiased eyes.
As for refs overturning their own calls, I believe last year there was a statistic posted, overturns were EXCEEDINGLY rare.
You have heard of Angel Rivera before, haven't you? He was the second set of eyes on the review.
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When there is a reaction, reaction time is needed. When it is a clean TD without a scramble, it is not. I don’t want a count for the latter. Want last second “clean’ takedowns to count.
Ditto here on both of your observations... didn't see the brick thrown, but certainly may have missed it in the moment ... our seats are just behind the visiting coaches' chairs.
Carter Starocci vs Rocco Welsh - 174 LBS Full Match, with the Jeff Byers Call
Levi Haines vs Isaac Wilcox - 157 LBS Full Match, with the Jeff Byers Call
Give Ohio St. credit where credit is due, they have a lot of young talent and wrestle hard.
I think they leap frog Iowa next year.
Maybe a couple of teams will if AJ comes back and wreaks the havoc we all expect.
I think they leap frog Iowa next year.
Maybe a couple of teams will if AJ comes back and wreaks the havoc we all expect.
I see lots of people downgrading Kasak’s win because D’Emilio lost to Cetta as well which I concede isn’t a good loss. On the other hand D’Emilio has beaten Jackson Arrington who is ranked 4th and Swiderski who is ranked 7th. He obviously has some uneven results but to say he isn’t AA caliber at 149 just isn’t true. I think it was a great win for Kasak and shows that he is improving weekly and should absolutely be an AA threat
Kasak is to be applauded for answer the call for an injured teammate. He's a freshman who expected to be redshirting and he's wrestling up a weight class.
Otherwise completely agree, but I think 141 was “down a weight class” for him.
Cael weighs in on the 125 "non-call". I don't believe I've said anything about the call prior to now, but I don't entirely disagree with what Cael says here. I'm not privy to what the refs are told during the off-season or what their focus might be, but I prefer this "let it play out" scenario a bit more than the ridiculous momentary calls that IMMEDIATELY become an escape or reversal. I just ask that they call it consistently during a dual meet or even on different dates and in different venues. https://nittanysportsnow.com/2024/0...FTC7x84_kf7v1JPw11CDwH7zi_cpOD05xmWJP5wCBTs-E
Among other questions that our society is having a difficult time answering these days, I just have to ask, "What is a takedown?"
Being 3 points instead of 2 might necessitate the “let them scramble until it’s clear” change in enforcement. The net of a TD and immediate escape is now two points instead of one.
Just wish the change was communicated to the sports few diehard fans. Communication is almost always the problem with change, no matter where the change occurs.
Consistency is definitely the key for officiating. Even if you don't agree with the way that a call is made, if it's made the same way every time, then at least you know what to expect. That particular call was so close that there's no way it wouldn't be controversial no matter what the call was. I personally thought it was a takedown, but whatever, as long as they call it that way every time, there's no issue.
I don't think there was any change driven to the refs, given the wide variance in calls from ref to ref.
It's getting like the old joke about economists: put 10 refs in a room, get 11 different calls.
Aaron Brooks Highlights vs Luke Geog - 197 LBS, with the Jeff Byers Call
During this match, Tim Johnson said that in a few years, Geog would be the one dominating other wrestlers.
I don't recall anyone mopping the floor with Brooks when he was a Freshman.
The B1G announcers love to tell you how much potential the OSU young guns have. But there's a long way between potential and national championships.
If only we had a guy coming in who was capable of beating NCAA champs while still in HS.
Here’s a video of tOSU entering Rec Hall back in 2019 with the robes
A few things stand out for me. Nato’s robe seems 2 sizes too big. And our guys seem much looser and relaxed when they came out. And when Jason comes out on crutches the fans went absolutely nuts… ahh great memories!!
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I've been in the hospital for a week. On Saturday I got calls from my brothers. One was an Ursinus football player living in NJ, one wrestled for Lehigh living at the Villages, and one wrestled for Miami of Ohio, living in Tallahassee, and I wrestled for Gettysburg at their local hospital. We all watched the PSU OSU dual and had plenty to say about it.
