My first reaction to Rece's comments was outrage, but then started thinking and what you wrote makes sense, I guess.
ESPN: Penn State is TONE DEAF
- Thread starter OmniscientFan
- Start date
My first reaction to Rece's comments was outrage, but then started thinking and what you wrote makes sense, I guess.
I refuse to click the link but my thought is the 2011 BoT started this mess by being spineless and doing whatever the media at large felt they should do. Guess what?? ESPN isn't a deity and Penn State has the power to make decisions on its own. If ESPN has a problem with it, eff them.
The problem is the university never laid the groundwork, in fact just the opposite. Until they do that, in the public's eye the timing will never be right. Its clearly obvious this "honoring" of Joe was a panic move by the bot, and will no doubt be both half assed and insincere.
I honestly believe they (Penn State leadership) have no idea how to handle ANY of this. It's a shame. I believe they have nothing but good intentions but... well... it's like the blind leading the blind up there.
The thing is, ESPN always backs down when real leadership pushes back.
The false narrative is set in stone for most people- so screw them and what they think.
Who cares what espn and everyone else who is clueless in this matter thinks? Joe matters to us. Screw everyone else who doesn't approve.
And to anyone who thinks the timing is wrong, remember one simple fact. The 50th anniversary of Joe's first game comes once. It would be a travesty for the university to ignore it given Joe's real, honorable legacy (on and off the field).
And to anyone who thinks the timing is wrong, remember one simple fact. The 50th anniversary of Joe's first game comes once. It would be a travesty for the university to ignore it given Joe's real, honorable legacy (on and off the field).
Totally diasgree. He starts by saying "there are strong opinions on both sides what culpability Joe has". What? He's implying Paterno was culpable, just doesn't know how culpable. He wasn't culpable at all!
If there was anything at all even remotely negative involving JVP in the Freeh work papers it would absolutely have made the final Opinion Report. Freeh invented crap about JVP. Anything factual that would have been negative would have been the main focus of the report.
Totally agree. Go big, or go home.
Yeah not really sold on that. I am numb to the travesties they have heaped upon Joe at this point, so what is one more?
Do it right and big, with a full denunciation of the Freeh Report, or save it until they feel they can. Otherwise they can stick it. Just my opinion.
And these allegations are pure fantasy. That makes this the perfect time to stand up for Joe and PSU. If not... what's to stop others from trying to cash in by making up more ridiculous allegations?
I tell you, I'm shocked that you think more dirt is going to be uncovered. I guess for you any unfounded accusation is dirt? You will be sadly disappointed when the trials only help the cause.
They are going to have to make a statement. The national lead-up to this is going to be tumultuous, and it will be covered like a presidential swearing-in. It will be THE story in college football that weekend. Let's hope they have a plan, because we are going to be under an electron microscope.
I'm sure the plan is simply the following:
State before the game and during whatever ceremony they cook up for the game that Joe was a great coach, educator, and leader. They will mention his generosity. They will probably mention 409, graduation rates, and the number of Academic All-Americans. That will be it. No press release denouncing the freeh report or otherwise denouncing the false narrative related to sandusky. No statue. No apology to the Paternos and the Penn State community. They will talk up Joe as a coach, educator, leader, and philanthropist and ignore the rest. Then they will move on and will expect us to do the same.
If true, foolhardy. Nobody will Move On, donations will still be way down, alumni and former players will remain disenchanted and disengaged. So I hope this is not true, and I hope the A9 have their finger on the pulse of this.
I agree. Hopefully something is in the works, & who knows maybe this was the old guard throwing the A9 a bone. As you alluded to, this has created back lash from the media who is desperately holding onto the false narrative they created.
Until the leadership stands up & educates the media by making a strong statement showing the FACT that JVP followed school procedures, and also the procedures that the NCAA has in place then they are only doing more harm. They can also say how JVP was applauded by the AG as a cooperative witness for the "prosecution" and how the lead investigator said there is no evidence of JVP being involved with the alleged cover up (serious charges against PSU admins dropped as well).
They need to go all in order to correct this false narrative.
You totally disagree? What did you not understand about 100%? Do you think there aren't strong opinions on both sides?
I have a strong opinion too and will repeat that I am 100% on the side that Joe was not culpable.
There is nothing more coming that isn't already out there. They need to educate the public on "Nice Guy Offenders" & let them know that JS not only groomed his victims, but an entire community. He fooled trained officials & the police, so how can they hold a football coach responsible for something so many people whose job is to protect children failed with far more information then what JVP knew.
w
I don't know if more dirt is going to be uncovered. That's the point. Wait until the trials are over so that we can be at least a little more certain if there is more dirt or not. And yes, the accusations are dirt and we will never be able to tell if they are true or not. What we do know is that it looks terrible to those outside of the University.
As if they weren't ridiculous allegations on their face... haven't they already been debunked?
,
There is no dirt to uncover. If there was, Freeh would have revealed it already. He had nothing and gave an opinion not based in fact. And just to be clear, as far as Paterno goes, no dirt was uncovered.
There is no dirt to uncover. If there was, Freeh would have revealed it already. He had nothing and gave an opinion not based in fact. And just to be clear, as far as Paterno goes, no dirt was uncovered.
So the 50th anniversary isn't appropriate, would the 54th year, 1 month, 23 day anniversary be more appropriate?
No, they haven't. Calling the victims liars and doubting their stories are not debunking. The only one that is debunked is the one where the victim said that coach Sarra walked in on the event, even though Sarra was not at PSU at that time.
Unfortunately, the same folks who wet the bed on this crisis originally are still in charge, so it is hard to believe that they have any kind of plan in place to handle this correctly
So the 50th anniversary isn't appropriate, would the 54th year, 1 month, 23 day anniversary be more appropriate?
Yes if that is the day they honor Joe and simultaneously call bullshit on the Freeh Report.
I think you're missing the point.
Exactly right.... HONORING Joe without DEFENDING Joe allows all these idiots to ignore the facts and position PSU this way. It isnt that we are tone deaf, it is that we reject the tone as completely wrong, because we actually understand what happened, and it isn't what the popular narrative says happened.
Last edited:
This doesn't seem thought out, it feels like a trial balloon to judge feedback.
Have to see how PSU acts after this. Is this just a "see, we honored Joe" box they will claim to check off
The timing of this is not wrong ... its absolutely right. We have left the false narrative to exist too long. PSU, the football team and joe specifically did nothing wrong ... I repeat nothing. Not one thing that we should be afraid of or embarrassed by. This celebration is just the platform we need to put the correct narrative in place.Which is:
Sandusky was a sick man who worked for TSM.
The children came from TSM
They were approved by responsible state agencies
Incidents at Penn State were properly reviewed, followed appropriate protocal and were followed up on. Even mandatory reporters were involved and chose not to act.
This was not, is not and never should have been a PSU incident
Sandusky was a sick man who worked for TSM.
The children came from TSM
They were approved by responsible state agencies
Incidents at Penn State were properly reviewed, followed appropriate protocal and were followed up on. Even mandatory reporters were involved and chose not to act.
This was not, is not and never should have been a PSU incident
This is NOT PENN STATE'S DUTY!
Keep shoving that Clemente narrative in everyone's face though. It's been so successful.
That's right. Its a trial ballon. But, it is a tacit approval of Joe's actions. It starts the discussion back up, which to me is good. I don't care what the damage may be to PSU....what is right is right. Never reward miscreant behavior because it will become pervasive. If the BOT ruins the school, so be it.
I'm not sure if there is going to be a meteor shower this afternoon.......so you ought to carry an umbrella - just in case.
well if its a trial balloon, it doesn't seem to be making serious JVP supporters happy or the national media and general public so.....
It's not PSU's duty, but if they want to the media to quit bullying them, then this is the way to stand up to them while also being politically correct.
Bingo!!!
CSA/"Nice Guy Offenders"/Media Spins/Porno e-mails etc etc etc
There are plenty of venues and legitimate issues to address there - and many "Penn Staters" have been, and continue to be, dedicated leaders in those fights.
Great! Kudos
This warped desire to "cure cancer" - as a part of the "Penn State" issue - only detracts from the legitimate business at hand for Penn State.....dealing with the actual Penn State issues - starting with the genesis of the bulk of it......all the BOT malfeasance
Similar threads
