There's never a wrong time to do the right thing.
ESPN: Penn State is TONE DEAF
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There's never a wrong time to do the right thing.
Nope. Wrong coach. So maybe you need to get your facts straight before you pontificate any further on here. It was O'Dea who was misidentified.
And you don't think there's any way to debunk the 1970's allegations? We'll see, because they've been subpoenaed by the NCAA to testify in the Paterno suit, and they will be under cross by Paterno's attorneys.
That kid either ran off and got away from counselors, or asked an adult to take him there, there's no other option. Someone should be able to corroborate his story. I'm guessing he would say that he ran off to find him to avoid the possibility if someone else being involved. Then you have to believe he not only found Joe's office on a huge unfamiliar campus, he gained audience with him in hopes Joe would call the police. Meanwhile there were phones surrounding him the entire time he could have called 911 that day, or any day for the next 40 years, but didn't.
Ummmm... our BOT and administration basically said as much by not refuting anything 4 years ago, and continuing to this day. People can say just about anything now and the general public will believe it. Don't you know, we're the school that put football above kids safety? Fits right into the narrative that college football is corrupt. And our innate desire to see those put on a pedestal brought down to show they're no better than us. In fact, we're better than them. We live and breathe that in our culture, because we really believe that all men are created equal. Well, at least all white men, depending on who you talk to. Ahem. So we love to see those more successful than us brought down. It makes us feel better about ourselves.
However, since we are still primarily a Christisn nation, we also love a good redemption story. And stories where a family all sticks together and believes in each other, when no one else does. And overcomes the odds and prices the doubters and naysayers wrong. Who rises up from the depths, through trials and tribulations to be redeemed. So, play our cards right, and we can still rise from the ashes.
He also would have been a teenager at the time and may not have done things the same way as he would have if he were an adult. Maybe when he told Paterno what happened, it frightened him and shamed him when Paterno blew him off (allegedly). The actions of child abuse victims can be illogical. No one knows what happened.
But, I thought all victims were to be believed? I'm telling roxine and Jennifer Storm on you.
BTW, Bernie Fine's victims never admitted they were lying. They went to the police and were told the SoL had expired so nothing could be done. Didn't help that ESPN sat on the audio tape which was proven to be authentic for almost a decade.
Interesting how when anyone points out an inconsistency with a PSU accuser's story, it's called victim bashing. But when Boeheim straight out called the Davis' liars, there was no outrage-- the jock sniffers nodded their heads dumbly and dutifully reported what they were told.
So, you want them to just keep on piling on additional lies and alibis?
Given their nature. Maybe they will do exactly what you outlined
I'm willing to give the BOT an out, just to move the process along. Let them publicly say something like this. Anything to right the biggest wrong ever.
Privately, don't ever let either of the Surma's, or any of the other individuals who used this opportunity to crucify a dying octagenarian, anywhere near Penn State ever again. And make sure that the people on the inside, like the Lettermen, know the score precisely. Just erase ever mention of the Surma name from the annals of Penn State, forever, like they never existed.
Privately, don't ever let either of the Surma's, or any of the other individuals who used this opportunity to crucify a dying octagenarian, anywhere near Penn State ever again. And make sure that the people on the inside, like the Lettermen, know the score precisely. Just erase ever mention of the Surma name from the annals of Penn State, forever, like they never existed.
How do you disprove a fabricated story that never happened? Please prove that it DID happen. Ever hear of "innocent until proven guilty"?
Again, looking for the national perception to change, is like waiting for the Great Pumpkin: It is not going to happen.
Let's have the celebration on the 17th then beat Temple and dedicate it to Joe...nothing anyone does, or says, will change the narrative.
Well, maybe C/S/S taking the stand, but you know, another judge just fell ill, so, lmao.
Let's have the celebration on the 17th then beat Temple and dedicate it to Joe...nothing anyone does, or says, will change the narrative.
Well, maybe C/S/S taking the stand, but you know, another judge just fell ill, so, lmao.
That's right, any behavior that fits the narrative can be attributed to abuse.... funny how that works. Teenagers are usually defiant, I would expect them to say "you won't help, I'll find another way".
Regardless, he still had to find Paterno on his own, which means he was a "lost" camper... or asked for help. Either way someone should be able to verify his story... but no one can. Fortunately Joe knew what happened and he never mentioned it... so it didn't happen.
Here's one thing I don't get. 1976: Victim of abuse finds Joe in an unspecified campus building (because the victim has no clue which one it was or what it was named) to tell him Sandusky abused him. Joe supposedly blows him off saying he has no time for kids because he has a football season to prepare for.
Fast forward a few years, and we have other victims claiming they attended team pre-game meetings without any complaints from Paterno. Why the sudden change? Paterno was OK with kids being around when he was preparing for games? There is no way both of those claims can be true. Yet the media went for it hook, line, and sinker.
Fast forward a few years, and we have other victims claiming they attended team pre-game meetings without any complaints from Paterno. Why the sudden change? Paterno was OK with kids being around when he was preparing for games? There is no way both of those claims can be true. Yet the media went for it hook, line, and sinker.
People spending their time discussing the 1970's "victims" may as well be out hunting Big Foot because neither one exists.
Yet the trolls and the pathetic brown-nosing recent students yammer on like they expect to see one at the Sheetz tomorrow morning.
Yet the trolls and the pathetic brown-nosing recent students yammer on like they expect to see one at the Sheetz tomorrow morning.
Yes, I think it would be wise to wait until the C/S/S cases are settled. And all litigation in this has come to an end.
Most of us will be long dead by the time all litigation for this case ends.
How do you celebrate the 50th anniversary of something at a time other than the 50th anniversary of it taking place?
This isn't the right time to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Joe's first game as head coach.
bwifan
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So, you want them to just keep on piling on additional lies and alibis?
Given their nature. Maybe they will do exactly what you outlined
Um yeah ok...
So, fabrications are permitted, even encouraged, if they further an agenda-driven narrative?
Truth be damned?
I'm not sure how you celebrate the 50th anniversary of his first game at any other time. Maybe I'll tell my wife we will celebrate our 25th wedding anniversary at a later date when I'm more convinced we won't have any more arguments in our marriage.
So why should such a story from so long ago carry ANY weight? until and unless there was some legitimate proof?
You're right, never stand up for what you believe in, never do what you think is right, and always, always give in to the PC crowd. It's the new American way!
You're missing the point. If this is just a minimal thing to test the waters and appease certain donors it's pointless.
Until they're ready to completely support and honor him they should stand pat. Otherwise you've alienated both sides of the argument for no reason.
And my point is honor him and screw the PC police. It's the 50th anniversary and it only happens once.
Who freaking cares what Bspn says about this? They sat on an actual recording of the Syracuse coaches wife admitting Sexual abuse for how long. Now they hire the most unintelligent and unwatchable goofballs to narrate college football and expect the public to watch it. They have no actual proof that Joe did anything illegal nor unethical, it's all just, "hearsay"
When you think about it, what exactly gives these "journalists" the right to speak for the "victims" anyway? How do they know how the "victims" feel about JVP and PSU?
One after another, our media elites pontificate on how this is rubbing salt in their "wounds" and that PSU is "tone deaf". Meanwhile most of the "victims" probably have season tickets - and if the statue was still there, they'd be taking pictures in front of it later today.
One after another, our media elites pontificate on how this is rubbing salt in their "wounds" and that PSU is "tone deaf". Meanwhile most of the "victims" probably have season tickets - and if the statue was still there, they'd be taking pictures in front of it later today.
Maybe, but maybe not.
If the "victim" waited for everyone allegedly involved to pass away before telling his story... that should tell you something.
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