Spey’s tweet shows exactly why it would benefit Desanto to give up the 6 for Default instead of getting pinned.
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Not just a TD, 2 back points should have been awarded also. See the rule below.
Art. 7. Injury — Imminent Near Fall. When a pinning combination is executed legally by the offensive wrestler and a near fall is imminent, but the defensive wrestler is injured, indicates an injury or has excessive bleeding before a near-fall criterion is met, action will be stopped and a two-point near fall shall be awarded to the offensive wrestler.
I hope you don't think rules apply in Carver? Nick Lee and Cenzo both pinned guys last night if a real ref is involved instead of some blind brandsbot. I have no idea how hurt AD is, but clearly RBY was taking it to him and at worst it was going to be 3 points instead of 6. How can it be called a 10 point swing? The 165 match was a three point swing with the no call and the no call at 141 was a 1 point swing. A wounded team came an eyelash from bitch slapping the unanimous #1 team in a hostile environment. You have to be proud of that in and of itself. Brooks looked amazing in that situation. Shak needs to keep improving and believing and need Bege back somehow and this race is ever so close come March.
I saw that last night. Strange comments. Honestly, I take what he says with a grain of salt. Great coach but batsh&t crazy on the mat. He's out of control on the sidelines. Someday he might blow his pump. Then you see Cael, and he's cool as James Bond. What a contrast.
In Iowa icing an injury that has an inflammatory response is common? Wow. New age medicine. Just let it swell and bear through the pain. Yep. That's it.
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But even if that were true, does it really matter?
B10 top 4 are the best 4 in the country. They'll get the top 4 seeds at B10s, and until RBY faces Gross and Rivera, any seeding benefit is very unclear -- the other 3 have proven capable of beating each other.
In any case, the real benefit is at nationals -- specifically drawing Tucker, Phillippi, or ideally both. B10 placement will be far more important -- and ironically, winning B10s could be a detriment.
I think on the first one he saw RBY twist the foot and while it wasn’t bad enough to call illegal, you could see him lunging in preparing to stop it and it looked like he did stop it basically at the same time RBY was locking up the cradle IMO. I could see him giving a TD here, but no imminent NF, but I think that one could’ve gone either way. I do think the second one should’ve been 2+2 though. At first I thought he didn’t really have time to give the points since DeSanto defaulted out pretty quickly, but he does appear to be signaling no points.
That seemed more like a “this moment is enormous and I’m not emotionally equipped to deal with my abject failure” response than a calculated effort to stop the action on the mat, but I realize I’m splitting hairs. I do believe DeSanto was hurt, maybe seriously, but I’m dubious that the injury was primarily in his knee.
The last 9 years prove that BWI at most is the complaining runner-up.
I've now watched the match several times. I stand by my original comments regarding the first stoppage. The 2nd one was weird, though, and seemed more like an emotional breakdown than anything (couldn't see any pressure on the knee there). The reaction of the coaches and trainer the 2nd time around is another oddity.
I'm not going to knock DeSanto in this instance, though. For all we know, he could have been having trouble managing his emotions, recognized dark waters on the horizon, and hit the eject button. If that were the case, I think we'd all be glad he managed it that way. Food for thought, and just one of multiple unknowns to consider when forming an opinion.
I'm not going to knock DeSanto in this instance, though. For all we know, he could have been having trouble managing his emotions, recognized dark waters on the horizon, and hit the eject button. If that were the case, I think we'd all be glad he managed it that way. Food for thought, and just one of multiple unknowns to consider when forming an opinion.
Seeding for B10 needs to treat it as an RBY win. Because unless you think RBY was gonna give up the fall himself, RBY was gonna win that match.
Looking forward, how do they seed 2/3 at Big Ten if RBY loses to Gross? A win last night, barring collapse down the stretch, means 2 seed minimum.
So my honest question, do you think that will be treated as a MFF or a loss for ADS? If purely a MFF, RBY probably goes to 3 and a tougher matchup with the 6 seed rather than the 7.
Hold on, is this supposed to be a question? Yeah, for a lot of these injuries you are supposed to let it swell. Icing constricts blood vessels and prevents proper blood flow.
https://www.verywellfit.com/when-to-ice-3120707 this article summarizes a study done on this, with a link to the actual study if you want to check it out
The 6 is probably tougher than the 7 but still, those are guys the top 4 should beat.
But to go down that road -- if RBY beats Gross, here are their records against each other:
RBY 2-0
Gross 2-2
DeSanto 1-2
Rivera 0-1 (Rivera also lost to Piotrowski via 2nd period default)
In this scenario, making RBY 1-0 and DeSanto 1-1 should not affect that order, except maybe to flip Gross and DeSanto.
You are correct. Dr Mirkin who came up with the recommendation of RICE for injuries which included ice now has MELT which does not include ice, new key is to move.
Stopping was ok. DeSanto was yelling. Without question both were takedowns. The first one probably could have had back points given. The second stoppage most definitely should have had backs given.
The 133 pound match wasn't that ref's best job last night.
With that said, anybody who states they do not believe last night's match should influence rankings is an idiot. RBY was owning DeSanto, should have been damn near to a tech fall with the stoppages and without the the stoppages probably has a pin. Not sure what happens in future DeSanto RBY matches, but last night RBY was in the process of kicking DeSanto's ass when they stopped wrestling.
So your buddy had you immediately post hammy injury out pushing your physical limits?
Ice is not a long term injury fix. It is the immediate response to the inflammation process. Icing an injury hours after the inflammation response has ceased is a waste of time. However, movement and continued stress during the body's response immediately post injury is not the new science.
The reason for the 10 minute icing is to slow the inflammation response, while removing the ice allows for better blood flow.
Ice is not for healing, it is for pain relief. Ice post injury (your article says 6 hours, I thought 12 hr) is still part of the process.
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If getting decked in front of your home crowd and a guy with a homemade shirt with 50 DeSanto faces on it, with your ass in the air and free leg kicking around is the same as walking off the mat because your knee is hurt then DeSanto could’ve toughed it out for another 2 seconds and got packed. Since another guy on his couch says it’s 6 either way
it can be, but it really doesnt need to be. Like you said its for pain not healing.
I did a lot of movement patterns that directly focussed on my hamstring. I started slow of course, but the better I felt, I started to do more explosive movements and kept up my lifting programs with squats. Zero static stretching, zero ice, and I was back faster than I ever have been from similar injuries.
Thank you for the info. I find it interesting how we treat injuries/surgery recovery so much different today. My dad had a back surgery several years ago and they kept him on almost no exercise for several months, but my buddy had the same surgery and they had him doing a ton of muscle work almost right after. The surgeries were only 6-7 years apart in time. I'm glad you recovered quickly and were actually able to work your butt off to help your recovery instead of being told "let it heal". Your friend's way had to to be way better for your spirits too. God Bless.
But you weren't doing these exercises immediately post injury. By the next day ice is meaningless.
As far as squatting, kudos. When running (no marathons, usually 3 or 4 miles) I always try to do last half mile in under 3 minutes. A couple summers ago I got it in my head to try for 2:30. My calf tweaked just before I finished and I pulled up before it went. Felt fine the next AM so my buddy and I did dead lifts. Mid 50s and no brighter than at 16 we decided to go heavier and of course I finished the calf muscle that I had started the day prior. I was dead lifting a week later, but much lower weight.
However, the morning of the injury I called off and iced the tar out of that calf. 10 on, 20 off for several hours. Trying to regain movement with it swollen twice it's normal size is a task in and of itself.
Everyone just needs to calm down. Match is over we have one tomorrow. Iowa won some questionable calls for sure but it's behind us. Let's move on. March is right around the corner
I think the first one should have been stopped due to potentially dangerous so no takedown if I was calling it . Didn’t see the second one
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This thread is a really bad look. Glad to see some of you stepping up and trying to straighten out the OP. I stayed after the meet for a bit(met Dan Gable
I've shook hands and chatted a bit with Cael. But I'm gonna have to live vicariously through your meeting Dan the Man. He's been a hero since I was a kid. Cheers.
Barring incidents where poor officiating contributes directly to injury, the worst officiating blunder will ALWAYS be when those jerks wouldn't give Churella the pin against Hendricks in 2006.
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