FC: hairball and the michigan football team are in France this week.

[PSU87]

You don't think other students get to do things that are privately funded?

1. I don't know, that's why I asked the question.
2. The NCAA governs student athletics. No one is governing, or caring, if somebody buys the chess club Escalades.

The question is legit... A booster CANNOT buy a football player a car. Why can he buy him a trip to Paris?

 

[BobPSU92]

No, Paris

 

[NittPicker]

1. I don't know, that's why I asked the question.
2. The NCAA governs student athletics. No one is governing, or caring, if somebody buys the chess club Escalades.

The question is legit... A booster CANNOT buy a football player a car. Why can he buy him a trip to Paris?

Those chess clubbers get all the perks. Money for nothing and chicks for free.

 

[Woodpecker]

chicks

checks, mate

 

[Anison]

Endowed scholarships aren't for specific players. This trip was for specific players.

Endowed scholarships are for attending college. This trip was for a boondoggle.

Remember, Harbaugh already had one rule instituted because of the trips. I expect another one in the near future.

In fact, one can endow a scholarship specifically for a certain position or certain jersey number.

For example at Penn State:
John & Nancy Steimer Scholarship for a Men's Basketball Power Forward
David E. & Jane A. Zazworsky Endowed Scholarship for Men's Basketball Point Guard
Laraine and Jack Beiter Endowed Scholarship for Right Cornerbacks

It would be interesting to see the NCAA and it’s member institutions invite further scrutiny of their revenue model by instituting a rule deskgnating a university-funded off-campus trip outside of the academic year as an impermissible benefit. Does that mean the school also can’t pay for the mission and exchange trips many of the UM football players are taking after France as they did after Rome?

I know many of you don’t like the concept simply because Harbaugh/UM is doing it. It doesn’t move the needle either way with me - seems like a nice perk but the nicest perk is winning which UM hasn’t done enough of. At the end of the day, if it’s another way to move exorbitant athletic department revenues to the student athletes generating them, then good for them imo.

 

[Anison]

1. I don't know, that's why I asked the question.
2. The NCAA governs student athletics. No one is governing, or caring, if somebody buys the chess club Escalades.

The question is legit... A booster CANNOT buy a football player a car. Why can he buy him a trip to Paris?

I would suspect the answer is that boosters can donate whatever they want that falls within NCAA rules. For example, UM and Penn State are among those with facilities, meeting rooms and weight rooms that bear the donor names who funded them.

 

[81b&w]

This to me screams recruiting violation all over it. Come to Michigan and go on an all expenses paid trip to Europe just because. thought the NCAA would be all over this the last time

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Harbaugh has some ‘interesting’ thoughts on transfers (this response after getting Patterson’):

“Most college students or football players, you go through at least one time where you say, ‘I’m leaving, I’m quitting, I’m going to go somewhere else, think the grass is greener on the other side of the street,’” Harbaugh said.

“Maybe things got a little tough, maybe things got a little hard. It’s usually better to stick it out, it’s usually better to stay at the place you are and see something through. I don’t think we want to send the message in college football if it’s not working out, or if it’s getting tough or hard, go somewhere else.”

He then added:

“There’s gotta be something,” Harbaugh said. “Maybe the school pays back the other school. Say a school like Michigan gets a player from Eastern Michigan or Central Michigan or transfers, maybe you have to pay the scholarship back or maybe it counts as an extra scholarship. Just so it doesn’t become free agency in college football. That’s the thing I would worry about.”

So yeah - rich schools should buy players?

 

[Anison]

This to me screams recruiting violation all over it. Come to Michigan and go on an all expenses paid trip to Europe just because. thought the NCAA would be all over this the last time

Recruiting violation?

 

[81b&w]

Recruiting violation?

Yea, big time

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

I agree. But this must cost an effin' sh*t ton of money. Hundreds of staff and players who need flights, accommodations, meals, and tickets to museums and stuff. You can do it on the cheap in Paris - but I doubt they are.

On the cheap is a qualified term when traveling to Paris with that many people. But I don’t care on that front.

It's a great thing for the players, certainly doesn’t hurt on the recruiting trail and UM can afford it. Thing for me is others can afford it as well and it’s only a big deal because they don’t and UM is—it’s Harbaugh pressing the limits again in a poorly-disguised effort to give additional benefits within (and flaunting) the rules. They did it before, will again unless they’re stopped and they can afford it as well or better than any other program.

Can’t give you cash.... but we can give you certain desirable trips with your college friends in lieu of... Again, I’m happy for the players and all who are getting the trip. But it’s just another step in the CFB arms race for enticing players and it’s irritating because it’s Harbaugh.

 

[Anison]

Yea, big time

Maybe I’m missing your sarcasm. There are no recruits on the trip.

 

[81b&w]

Maybe I’m missing your sarcasm. There are no recruits on the trip.

no, it just sends a message to recruits that is unfair to 95% of other schools

 

[Anison]

no, it just sends a message to recruits that is unfair to 95% of other schools

How is it unfair? There’s nothing stopping any of those other schools from taking the same trip.

It’s as “unfair” as Penn State’s additional cost of attendance given to its scholarship athletes being twice as high as UM’s; which is to say not unfair at all as it is within the rules.

 

[81b&w]

How is it unfair? There’s nothing stopping any of those other schools from taking the same trip.

just don't be surprised when you get busted

 

[Anison]

just don't be surprised when you get busted

Which NCAA rule is being broken? And why would the NCAA allow UM to so publicly break it two years in a row? No other school complained about the rule being broken?
Like I said, maybe I’ve just missed your sarcasm.

 

[jimjim47]

As long as one team is missing their top 5 LB’s and #6 gets booted in the first quarter for a BS targeting call...as long as that happens, both can put up points.

Or one team loses their starting QB (Speight) and top two receivers (Black, Perry) as long as that happens I guess both can put up points. See two can play that game.

By the way how does losing 5 linebackers explain scoring only 10 points on offense (with Barkley and McSorley and Hamilton and your TE on offense) in 2016?

Michigan certainly needs to be more competitive against OSU but I'll take Michigan 13 wins vs PSU 8 wins overall record anytime.

Very much looking forward to PSU coming to Ann Arbor this year.

 

[jimjim47]

1. I don't know, that's why I asked the question.
2. The NCAA governs student athletics. No one is governing, or caring, if somebody buys the chess club Escalades.

The question is legit... A booster CANNOT buy a football player a car. Why can he buy him a trip to Paris?

A PSU booster can buy a trip to Paris for the PSU team , just do it.

 

[PSU87]

A PSU booster can buy a trip to Paris for the PSU team , just do it.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

 

[AWS1022]

Or one team loses their starting QB (Speight) and top two receivers (Black, Perry) as long as that happens I guess both can put up points. See two can play that game.

By the way how does losing 5 linebackers explain scoring only 10 points on offense (with Barkley and McSorley and Hamilton and your TE on offense) in 2016?

Michigan certainly needs to be more competitive against OSU but I'll take Michigan 13 wins vs PSU 8 wins overall record anytime.

Very much looking forward to PSU coming to Ann Arbor this year.

You’re seriously asking how a complete loss of a huge part of the defense can affect the offense? Really? You must not know much about football....you know, field position, time of possession, attitude. Three and outs on defense helps an offense tremendously.

 

[LafayetteBear]

If not for the French, we may still be bending the knee to the crown.

Midnighter: Who is that in your sig pic?

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Midnighter: Who is that in your sig pic?

Sig? Franklin & Co. Avatar? Bjork.

 

[Madsol]

Or one team loses their starting QB (Speight) and top two receivers (Black, Perry) as long as that happens I guess both can put up points. See two can play that game.

By the way how does losing 5 linebackers explain scoring only 10 points on offense (with Barkley and McSorley and Hamilton and your TE on offense) in 2016?

Michigan certainly needs to be more competitive against OSU but I'll take Michigan 13 wins vs PSU 8 wins overall record anytime.

Very much looking forward to PSU coming to Ann Arbor this year.

Here's a history lesson for you, PSU with 3 B1G championships, 2 with a coach many say was way, way past his prime and 1 on the heels of some of the worst NCAA sanctions ever, since Michigan last won one. But hey, your team got to go to Rome and Paris so there is that.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Here's a history lesson for you, PSU with 3 B1G championships, 2 with a coach many say was way, way past his prime and 1 on the heels of some of the worst NCAA sanctions ever, since Michigan last won one. But hey, your team got to go to Rome and Paris so there is that.

Michigan also has a losing bowl record - 21-25. That's embarrassing.

 

[BobPSU92]

Here's a history lesson for you, PSU with 3 B1G championships, 2 with a coach many say was way, way past his prime and 1 on the heels of some of the worst NCAA sanctions ever, since Michigan last won one. But hey, your team got to go to Rome and Paris so there is that.

Michigan also has a losing bowl record - 21-25. That's embarrassing.

One could easily argue that michigan football is the most continually overrated program in all of sports.

 

[Connorpozlee]

One could easily argue that michigan football is the most continually overrated program in all of sports.

In fact, one would have a difficult time arguing against that.

 

[BobPSU92]

In fact, one would have a difficult time arguing against that.

Let's not forget notre dame. michigan-notre dame is an intense rivalry.