FLO - 149: "It's Zain's World"
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Hey! Rec Hall sound guys! We at BWI demand Mr Retherford's run on music to be Zain's World.
Zain's World
Zain's World
Party Time!
Excellent!
Zain's World
Zain's World
Party Time!
Excellent!
Watermelons spontaneously combust in Zain's world
A few non-PSU wrestling fans grasping for straws seem to think Mayes could beat Zain.
I hope those two wrestle this year just to eliminate any doubt.
I hope those two wrestle this year just to eliminate any doubt.
He will blow right through Mayes' defense. Incredibly bad matchup for Mayes.
I think there's a decent shot Zain bonuses wire to wire this year. Looking at last year's decisions, he avenged the Sorensen DEC; Theobold was nearly a major, Clagon was an outlier, and Collica just turtled--maybe if Zain had played catch and release he'd have bonused him too.
Statistically speaking it can't be easy to pull off, and I'd put it at less than even this year, where he'll face Sorensen a few times; at the beginning of last year I thought Mayes had a better chance than anyone of an upset but now I think he'd get bonused too; Micah Jordan, Chisko moving up might keep it close enough. It's just tough to imagine Zain having a more dominant season than last year, and that's what would need to happen to pull that off. But it also wouldn't surprise me.
Statistically speaking it can't be easy to pull off, and I'd put it at less than even this year, where he'll face Sorensen a few times; at the beginning of last year I thought Mayes had a better chance than anyone of an upset but now I think he'd get bonused too; Micah Jordan, Chisko moving up might keep it close enough. It's just tough to imagine Zain having a more dominant season than last year, and that's what would need to happen to pull that off. But it also wouldn't surprise me.
Some of the better 149 kids might / will turtle up in dual meets to try to keep team score close. (And 157)
When a guy is running away, running out of bounds,
laying flat on the mat or faking injuries to catch a lunger (Jake Ryan @ tOSU), it's gonna be tough to win by 8 in every match.
When a guy is running away, running out of bounds,
laying flat on the mat or faking injuries to catch a lunger (Jake Ryan @ tOSU), it's gonna be tough to win by 8 in every match.
Jake was just saving his strength to climb cell phone towers.
When you're that good, motivation is huge. Whether it comes from within, from Cael, or from elsewhere, motivation and focus over the course of the season will be crucial to Zain's success. And by success I mean the dominance that he displayed last year. When you're head and shoulders above everyone else, complacency can be your biggest opponent. My guess is that Zain will establish lofty goals (undefeated season, most dominant wrestler, national champ, Hodge trophy) and motivate himself by focusing on those objectives.
Great point.
One suggestion:
He lost at the Olympic Trials to Steiber 8-6, on 4 takedowns.
Zain might set a goal to not be taken down all season.
It's encouraging that Ed and DT got progressively better and more polished each year--complacency doesn't happen in that room. One reason why I was sold early on Bo moving up to 184.
Agreed. That room, and whatever goes on inside (only Spyker knows!) works wonders for those young men.
I don't attend the type of parties where people insult others who they don't know.Jefe, you must be all kinds of fun at parties.
Dang you Lobo- you made me spit coffee on a nice shirt! I have no idea why your comment struck me as so funny, as I actually enjoy Spyker's zest for his program of choice. I'm pretty sure I would really like him in person. You win the internet today in my eyes.
You can always introduce yourself, at the next Penn State Wrestling practice.
Never gets old.
Roar probably could provide the data, but I wonder how the previous seasons for DT and Zain compared when that infamous line first appeared.
149 is an interesting weight, on multiple levels. Zain is clearly in tier 1 by himself. It is hard to imagining him losing, though I hate over confidence.
Sorensen is an amazing wrestler, and if not for Zain he might be a multiple year NCAA champ. I'm confident that he's working to improve his attacks, but after studying video from their matches from last year, it seems hard to believe that he could improve enough to give Zain a serious contest. A couple of the TDs that Zain got in the NCAA finals Sorensen had good defense using his hips, and it initially appeared that Zain might end up in a stalemate. However, Zain just pulled in the leg with his upper body strength AND got his legs going forward and then under the Sorensen's weight, so that they looked like normal TDs, even though they were far from it.
Mayes may be underestimated, but I'm with Vais/CP -- he'll have to earn his ranked higher than 3rd.
Jordan is an enigma. Everyone seems to assume that by not cutting as much weight this year, that his results will be better. Perhaps they will. Or, perhaps they won't. On national boards, Gulibon is a bit of a whipping boy for underperformance, overrated, etc., yet Jimmy defeated #1 seed Jordan at the B1G championships last year. Micah is talented, and it's quite possible not cutting as much weight will help him, but #4 seems a little high at this point.
Pantaleo is a very good wrestler, but it's hard to get the vision of Zain dominating him out of my mind when trying to evaluate him. He deserves to be in the conversation for AA projections. I could see him placing higher than 5th, and also so him placing lower than 5th. I'll be interested to see how he does against Jordan's length.
Chishko is solid, and could give many of those not named Zain a tough match at this weight.
Lastly, there's Collica, who was a disappointment last year during the regular season, and a major surprise during NCAAs. Which version of Anthony will we see this season?
DT's senior year, right? Pretty sure it was, since Dake was in the way during his Junior year.
DT was 30-2 as a Junior, with 29 of his 30 wins by bonus (14 Falls, 10 Tech's, and 5 Majors). Both his losses were by 1 point, and he finished runner-up.
Zain was 34-0 as a Sophomore, with 30 of his 34 wins by bonus (15 Falls, 8 Tech's, and 7 Majors). National Champ.
Comparable, I'd say.
Ryan catches a lot of grief for his BJC performance. That wasn't on the kid. I believe he was beaten into some sort of mental other world and one of two things should have happened. Jake's old man should have pulled him off the mat. The kid's safety was in question. Since the kid's father kept him out hoping to save a point or two Cook should have either stopped the match or stalled the kid to DQ. The kid deserves a little respect for somehow gutting it out while taking just a gawdawful physical beating. OSU's head coach and the ref are the two deserving the scorn.
Everything ever spoken about Jake Ryan's condition has been speculation, and yes, he took a lot of unnecessary grief from ignorant fans. What I saw was the protocol being followed for a concussion. Real or not. I don't believe anyone is deserving of scorn...it was handled by the book...which I will also add, is not understood by many fans.
Ha!Damn, you're missing out on a lot of fun.
My friends and I bust each other mercilessly. Strangers, we tread a lot lighter.
I was just annoyed by him hanging on Nolf's head for 4 minutes. He wanted almost nothing to do with wrestling Jason - a classic example of limiting damage in a dual meet setting. JRob's wet dream as it were.
I guess I'll go with Coach's position on this...it happened to him back in the day, it happened to DT and ER, and all extraordinarily-talented guys. He simply says that his wrestlers must find a way, it's always about his guys, never the opponent.
Roar,
No I was not out there assessing the kid. From my point of view and in my professional opinion (graduate degree, certified critical care registered nurse) the kid was either mentally diminished or because of the physical beating he was taking he was blatantly stalling.
So yes, the protocol was followed but that does not mean it was not missed. It means they followed by rule the prescribed steps necessary to make an educated decision.
Watching the conclusion of that match was painful. I wanted Jason to finish off the match with a tech or a fall, but watching Ryan stumble around and hang desperately onto Jason made me cringe. I thought the kid was really hurting and the match should have been stopped. If not stopped Cook should have had the stones to DQ him for stalling. So yeah, I have no problem thinking Ryan and Cook left a little to be desired in their grown-up roles in that match.
I get it...but a medical professional made the call. The coach needs to get out of the way, and not influence the decision, which in this case must have been terribly difficult for TRyan...but he did step away. I'm not arguing, just saying everyone did their job, it appeared...and the quantitative concussion protocol wasn't evidence enough to stop the match. Neither my discomfort, nor yours, is considered.
Coaches and whoever the medical professional was did follow the protocol, not saying they didn't. Nor am I trying to argue that point.
My original post was in defense of the Ryan kid. I believe he catches a whole lot of unnecessary crap for simply being checked as he should have been. I don't believe the kid was fine and I would have been very tempted to just pull the kid off the mat. He was not as obvious as the Heavyweight kid from American University that was allowed to stumble around at nationals a few years ago, but he appeared very suspiciously concussed from my seat. I concede the point that from where I was sitting it is tough to accurately access though. So Assuming the kid was fine, just pretty much beaten to a physical and mental pulp - still doesn't excuse Cook from not stalling the kid to a DQ. The last part of that match we got to watch as Jake did nothing but stumble around and hang desperately onto whatever he could grasp.
They should have stopped the match.
They also should have stopped the Alton match in Ann Arbor, and that was 10 times as scary. I mean, that was life and death scary.
They also should have stopped the Alton match in Ann Arbor, and that was 10 times as scary. I mean, that was life and death scary.
Thanks for the discussion nit, and I'm glad you brought up the match with the wrestler from American, I believe it was Ryan Flores. That was horrible, and did put the wrestler's health and well-being in jeopardy. By the way, my life outside of wrestling is in the safety & health arena, so I deal with workplace injuries and illnesses every day. Winning or losing are way behind the health of these young men in my book.
Since the Flores incident, the NCAA has instituted the concussion protocol. Is it enough?, should they do more?, etc.? No, imo, it's not enough, and Yes absolutely, more should be done!! Heck, we're talking brain injury here, but given the chance, the tissue will heal.
Wrestling is #1 in the "Rate of Competition Concussion Injuries" among ALL NCAA Sports. In order, the top-6 are; Wrestling, Football, (then about a 30% drop), Men's Ice Hockey, Women's Field Hockey, Women's Soccer, and Women's Ice Hockey.
A brief description is in the underlined text below...(sorry this post is so long)...
Clinical evaluation at the time of injury. When the rapid assessment of concussion is necessary (e.g., during competition), symptom assessment, physical and neurological exam, and balance exam should be performed. Brief concussion-evaluation tools such as the Standardized Concussion Assessment Tool 3 (SCAT3), which includes the Standardized Assessment of Concussion (SAC), provide standardized methods and can be compared to a baseline evaluation.
Since the Flores incident, the NCAA has instituted the concussion protocol. Is it enough?, should they do more?, etc.? No, imo, it's not enough, and Yes absolutely, more should be done!! Heck, we're talking brain injury here, but given the chance, the tissue will heal.
Wrestling is #1 in the "Rate of Competition Concussion Injuries" among ALL NCAA Sports. In order, the top-6 are; Wrestling, Football, (then about a 30% drop), Men's Ice Hockey, Women's Field Hockey, Women's Soccer, and Women's Ice Hockey.
A brief description is in the underlined text below...(sorry this post is so long)...
Clinical evaluation at the time of injury. When the rapid assessment of concussion is necessary (e.g., during competition), symptom assessment, physical and neurological exam, and balance exam should be performed. Brief concussion-evaluation tools such as the Standardized Concussion Assessment Tool 3 (SCAT3), which includes the Standardized Assessment of Concussion (SAC), provide standardized methods and can be compared to a baseline evaluation.
Wonder what Flo will say today for 157. 149 had only Zain listed as Title Contender, and imo they could do the same at 157.
