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I don't know their schedule for future releases, but Flo posted their 1st preseason rankings, for 125. You can access it at THIS LINK. If you want more detail, you can listen to a podcast of their explanation of the rankings at THIS LINK.

The top 5 are as follows:

1. Tomasello (Ohio State)
2. Nico
3. Gilman (Iowa)
4. Moisey (West Virginia)
5. Joe Dance (VT)

The B1G has 4 in the top 6 and 5 in the top 13.

As the remaining classes are posted, I'll add them to this thread.
 
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Tom McAndrew said:
I don't know their schedule for future releases, but Flo posted their 1st preseason rankings, for 125. You can access it at THIS LINK. If you want more detail, you can listen to a podcast of their explanation of the rankings at THIS LINK.

The top 5 are as follows:

1. Tomasello (Ohio State)
2. Nico
3. Gilman (Iowa)
4. Moisey (West Virginia)
5. Joe Dance (VT)

The B1G has 4 in the top 6 and 5 in the top 13.

As the remaining classes are posted, I'll add them to this thread.
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Great morning listening. Felt sad to hear CPs little dude cry yesterday.
 
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Chickenman Testa said:
I can't honestly understand how some of our fans posting on Flo are upset at Nico's ranking. It's not like Tomasello didn't win or anything last year.

Save the anguish for real ranking issues.
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Agreed. I'm just glad we have new rankings to look at and debate! I've said it before, but I like how they explain their logic at the bottom of the rankings. It makes for good discussion whether you agree with their logic or not.
 
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I can't honestly understand how some of our fans posting on Flo are upset at Nico's ranking. It's not like Tomasello didn't win or anything last year.

Save the anguish for real ranking issues.
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Tomasello is blatantly #1. I like Nico (and a lot of people agree I'm sure) but you can't put him at 1 over the returning champ, rankings wise. Would be more of an argument if he had won a title previously.

3-6 is more interesting. Moisey got it done when it mattered most. I think Gilman is probably better, but using that logic I could also have Nico at #1. Dance is also legit and I think will do very well this year after a "disappointing" R12. But again, Youtsey beat Dance at NCAA. Why shouldn't he be ranked above Joey?

The season will probably even all of this out but this weight is very good at the top 8.

33 is up now here
 
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Flo has posted their 133 rankings. You can view them at THIS LINK. Their podcast for explaining their 133 rankings can be accessed at THIS LINK.

The top 5 are:

1. Cody Brewer (Okla.)
2. Cory Clark (Iowa)
3. Ryan Taylor (Wisky)
4. Earl Hall (Iowa St.)
5. Nanshon Garrett (Cornell)

The B1G has 2 in the top 5, 6 in the top 10, 8 in the top 15, and 10 in the top 20. Conaway is ranked #11.
 
Tomasello has more in his tool kit than any of the other top guys at 125, IMO. He dropped some matches to savvier wrestlers early in the year (I thought his inexperience showed in losses to Dance and Peters), but he is absolutely the real deal. He'd be my pick
 
1stplacehawk said:
Tomasello has more in his tool kit than any of the other top guys at 125, IMO. He dropped some matches to savvier wrestlers early in the year (I thought his inexperience showed in losses to Dance and Peters), but he is absolutely the real deal. He'd be my pick
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He's a tough out, no doubt. I know you post regularly, but come back on February 6th, we'll talk some more.
 
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He's a tough out, no doubt. I know you post regularly, but come back on February 6th, we'll talk some more.
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I am very high on Tomasello. Absolutely nothing against Nico and think that he could win a NCAA title. I'll be back and I'm sure everyone will be happy to tell me how wrong I am
 
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Because Gulibon is #1. That IS interesting.

Also: Chishko and Racciato both dropping from 149.
 
Vais (Christian Pyles) and Willie teased in today's (Tuesday's) Flo Radio that the 141 rankings were pretty wild. The rankings are supposed to be released on Wednesday, but they are actually up there now, though they've yet to post the podcast about the 141 rankings. You can view the rankings at THIS LINK.

The Top 5 are:

1. Jimmy Gulibon
2. Lavion Mayes (Mizzou)
3. Devin Jack (NC State)
4. Chris Mecate (Old Dominion)
5. Dean Heil (OK State)

I can see why the Flo guys were teasing about these rankings. The B1G has 1 in the top 5, 3 in the top 10, 4 in the top 15, and 5 in the top 20.

You can here their podcast explaining the 141 rankings at THIS LINK.
 
Just goes to show how wide open 141 is this year. The early decision to bump Jimmy up is looking really good right now.

Thorn not ranked in the top 20 or mentioned as one the guys that should crack the rankings once the season starts. Jammen is going to have a heart attack, lol.
 
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Vais (Christian Pyles) and Willie teased in today's (Tuesday's) Flo Radio that the 141 rankings were pretty wild. The rankings are supposed to be released on Wednesday, but they are actually up there now, though they've yet to post the podcast about the 141 rankings. You can view the rankings at THIS LINK.

The Top 5 are:

1. Jimmy Gulibon
2. Lavion Mayes (Mizzou)
3. Devin Jack (NC State)
4. Chris Mecate (Old Dominion)
5. Dean Heil (OK State)

I can see why the Flo guys were teasing about these rankings. The B1G has 1 in the top 5, 3 in the top 10, 4 in the top 15, and 5 in the top 20.

I'll post a link to the podcast when it's posted on Wednesday.
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This weight is wide open so I'm not entirely shocked. The top four returning all have various wins over each other so ranking them is a mess. Gulibon is a bit more clean so the ranking makes sense. Only question is the weight obviously, but guys recently have had more success bumping.

I think Ashnault will have something to say by the time the year is over as well.
 
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Flying_Tiger said:
Just goes to show how wide open 141 is this year. The early decision to bump Jimmy up is looking really good right now.

Thorn not ranked in the top 20 or mentioned as one the guys that should crack the rankings once the season starts. Jammen is going to have a heart attack, lol.
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Yeah, I was wondering about Thorn. Guessing CP has intel that he's going 149? But would Short go 157? I got a lot to learn about Minny's 2016 lineup.

I dug CP's written defense of Gulibon at 1: "essentially Jimmy was a better guy at a better weight than these guys were. Mayes best wins all year were over Dean Heil, Mecate and Dziewa. Fine wins, but compared to Jimmy's over Clark, Beckman (twice), Taylor, Bruno, Richards and JDJ." Until you see them all lined up next to each other you kind of forget how many big wins he had.

Some other 141 thoughts I had:
- I know Abidin's got one more year, but what happened to Hayden Tuma, no longer on Nebby's roster (http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=61&SPID=28)
- this thing is pretty wide open. If Dean Heil, Kevin Jack & Chris Mecate, heck, even Ashnault, can't follow up their great 2015 tourneys, the youngsters are gonna knock em off the podium.
- McKenna, Bannister, now Chishko, Zacherl at Clarion, Zac Hall at Michigan (I'm listening to bloodround & am going with him beating out George Fisher) and definitely Thorn if he ends up here, are all gonna make real noise this year.
- this is also stacked with grizzled vets who will challenge in their last go-round: Abidin, Horan & Durso, Lock Haven's Dan Neff is coming back down.
- CP's got Joey Ward ranked here, so guessing he has intel that Evan Henderson will go 149?

Gonna be a VERY interesting weight. And, like Flo, I'm really diggin our chances by sending Gulibon out into it. Can't wait to see how big he looks!
 
jtothemfp said:
Yeah, I was wondering about Thorn. Guessing CP has intel that he's going 149? But would Short go 157? I got a lot to learn about Minny's 2016 lineup.

I dug CP's written defense of Gulibon at 1: "essentially Jimmy was a better guy at a better weight than these guys were. Mayes best wins all year were over Dean Heil, Mecate and Dziewa. Fine wins, but compared to Jimmy's over Clark, Beckman (twice), Taylor, Bruno, Richards and JDJ." Until you see them all lined up next to each other you kind of forget how many big wins he had.

Some other 141 thoughts I had:
- I know Abidin's got one more year, but what happened to Hayden Tuma, no longer on Nebby's roster (http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=61&SPID=28)
- this thing is pretty wide open. If Dean Heil, Kevin Jack & Chris Mecate, heck, even Ashnault, can't follow up their great 2015 tourneys, the youngsters are gonna knock em off the podium.
- McKenna, Bannister, now Chishko, Zacherl at Clarion, Zac Hall at Michigan (I'm listening to bloodround & am going with him beating out George Fisher) and definitely Thorn if he ends up here, are all gonna make real noise this year.
- this is also stacked with grizzled vets who will challenge in their last go-round: Abidin, Horan & Durso, Lock Haven's Dan Neff is coming back down.
- CP's got Joey Ward ranked here, so guessing he has intel that Evan Henderson will go 149?

Gonna be a VERY interesting weight. And, like Flo, I'm really diggin our chances by sending Gulibon out into it. Can't wait to see how big he looks!
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Tuma left folkstyle to focus on Greco is what I've heard.

If everyone in CP's ranking holds weight, Jimmy will get lots of chances to prove his mettle. If Neff goes 141, it'll be Jimmy's first match. Follow that with #18 Chisko (Va Tech) and #13 McKenna (Stanford) during the west coast swing. The Scuffle could contain #2 Mayes (Mizzou), #3 Jack (NC State), #4 Mecate (OD), and #9 Ward (NC), and Thorn (Minn) if he goes 141. Follow that with #6 Adidin (Neb), #17 Fisher/Hall (Michigan), #14 Cruz (Lehigh), and possibly #5 Heil (Ok St) at the NWCA Dual the second half of the season, and Jimmy could face almost half of CP's top-20. However he ends up, it will be entirely determined by all these HTH match-ups.
 
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Just goes to show how wide open 141 is this year. The early decision to bump Jimmy up is looking really good right now.

Thorn not ranked in the top 20 or mentioned as one the guys that should crack the rankings once the season starts. Jammen is going to have a heart attack, lol.
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CP has a well-known Thorn bias that I have documented in another thread. It goes back to when Mike Thorn bullied his beloved Hawkeyes' Montell Marion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8r4Ts6eeas
 
No mention in the ranking or the podcast about Grey. Did I miss something on him?
 
WoW....cael can recruit and now also foretell the best weights for his wrestlers and the team to achieve their goals.

If only he could learn to coach! ;)
 
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Yeah, I was wondering about Thorn. Guessing CP has intel that he's going 149? But would Short go 157? I got a lot to learn about Minny's 2016 lineup.


It looks like 149# will be brutal in the bigten this year. If anyone [Thorn? HSteiber?] can at least certify for 141#, they probably should & keep options open.

Either way, the weight class is there for the taking for JG. It's his time.
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Thorn is mentioned in the podcast as a guy who could figure in the rankings later in the season.

Apparently, CP was biased against the Thorns while he was doing the rankings but had some counseling and mended his ways before he recorded the podcast.
 
I love me some Guilibon at 141 but I don't think he deserves the #1 Ranking right now...I go Heil, but I fully expect Guilibon to change that at Nationals.
 
WildTurk said:
I would rank Jimmy 5th. JMO
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So would I, but if I had my druthers I wouldn't rank anyone 1st. There really is no one that you feel good about ranking in the top 3 at 141.

I will be releasing my rankings shortly, lol. 141 will go like this:

5 (tie) Mayes, Gulibon, Jack, Heil, Mecate
6 Abidin
7 Ashnault

Of course, if I had to pick a NC out of that group right now I'd be as likely to pick Ashnault as anyone.
 
1stplacehawk said:
I am very high on Tomasello. Absolutely nothing against Nico and think that he could win a NCAA title. I'll be back and I'm sure everyone will be happy to tell me how wrong I am
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Obviously Tomasello is a stud but I'm having a hard time visualizing him beating Mega. With a year off and his level of motivation I don't think Mega is losing to him. I would be VERY happy if you're wrong 1stplace!!
 
CholleyVandine said:
There is nothing else to support that conclusion. He finished fourth in a weight class that was three deep, had a bunch of awful losses and no signature wins.
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And Gulibon finished 5th a weight down. With a 44-24 career record I'm sure he has some head scratching losses aswell. When I said "gut feeling" thats what I meant. Just one man's opinion.
 
Also a big wildcard with this weight is Grothus.

I will say that if he can manage the weight, he should at least make the podium. That remains a big if.
 
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Also a big wildcard with this weight is Grothus.

I will say that if he can manage the weight, he should at least make the podium. That remains a big if.
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From what I hear he started the weight cut awhile ago now and so far so good. Last year he was in a hurry to cut the weight and he crashed. At 5' 10" 141 can't be easy. Got my fingers crossed!
 
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