FWIW, Gary Danielson said PSU and OSU will both make the 4 team playoff
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Yikes.. I wonder who gets the higher seed? You'd think we would considering we'd be Big Ten champs and won the head to head... but you never know.
I'd love to get a crack at Clemson prior to facing Alabama or a possible rematch with Ohio State.
Need to focus on Rutgers, Rutgers, Rutgers, Rutgers!
Gary Danielson is a certifiable idiot. I am officially reversing his curse. I'll do my best, but I also think I need to page Dr. Cronk for assistance.
"Purdue is on the verge of winning a National Championship. They are really close"
"Purdue is on the verge of winning a National Championship. They are really close"
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I see Gary has been taking nips from Beanos liquor cabinet again.
When asked in a tweet if OSU could still make BCSP without winning the B1G CCG, Herbie said this:
Seems to support what Gary's saying.
Seems to support what Gary's saying.
Then let's not think about this until that becomes reality.
Thanks coach. We needed that to stay focused
That's not a fact. They "value" conference championships, but they can do anything they want, including bypassing conference champions.
I realize that. It wasn't meant as a fact. It was Danielson's opinion why the 2 teams would be selected. PSU essentially blocks OSU from jumping them and if the committee wants OSU in there, they have to take both. His words, not mine.
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I think it is safe for us to think about whatever we want think about on this board. The team, on the other hand, needs to stay focused. But I'm not under any delusion that my thoughts on this board will affect the team's performance.
That's a nightmare scenario. No one wants Bama. Beating the same team twice in the same season (OSU) is a tall order for any team. And with a healthy Watson and an unbiased officiating crew... Clemson would be a real challenge.
The Clemson team that beat Troy by 6? The one that needed OT to beat NC State? The one that lost to pitt? Clemson shouldn't even be in playoff consideration.
With the benefit of hindsight, you truncated my quote.
Watson was banged up, and Pitt was the beneficiary of some awful officiating. Throw in say unbiased PAC-12 refs, a healthy Watson, and likely playing in the south... It would be a challenge, i.e. not easy. I'm not saying I don't like Penn State's chances.
Probably Wisco, but Wisco still needs to beat Minny in their last game.....and UNL still has to play Iowa in their last game. Not sure who goes if Minny beat Wisco and Iowa beat UNL, you'd have all three teams tied at 6-3 and 9-3. In any event, the West is far from completely settled although its probably best if Wisco goes as they are the highest ranked West team.
I think it also speaks to Herbie's comment as well......the Selection Committee is probably going to take two from either the ACC or b1g given daO$U's and Louisville's record. If they are going to take two from a conference, it is probably going to be the b1g given how the b1g has consistently dominated the Top 5 and Top 10 of the Selection Committee's CFB Playoff Rankings.
Don't think so if the Selection Committee has done what they've done in the past..... They would like vault the ACC and B1G Champions over the prior Top 4 teams who did not even qualify for their Championship Game because they lost in Divisional Conference Play to the eventual Conference Champion (true for both daO$U and Louisville) leaving the #4 spot to the team without the Conference Championship (assuming U-dub does not vault them). The likeliest #4 Seeds in order of likelihood imho are: daO$U, Louisville and U-dub but it's so close, it is probably to close to call.
It's Bama, O$U, Clemson, and Louisville in the drivers seat. No 2 loss team is getting in with one loss teams available. JMHO.
Uuuummmmm, wrong. This would leave out a 1-loss Conference Champion (U-dub) in favor of two teams who didn't even win their own Division within their Conference or make their Conference Championship Game, let alone the b1g Conference Champion who not only beat daO$U head-to-head, but was the B1G East Division Representative in the B1G Conference Championship Game assuming PSU won out (i.e., daO$U would be a 3 strikes and your out team -- lost head-to-head to B1G Conference Champion, failed to win B1G East Division Crown and failed to make B1G Conference Championship Game!).
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Assumptions for below: OSU and PSU win out
OSU is not in the drivers seat as long as Penn State keeps winning. I agree 100% with Danielson that the committee won't take OSU instead of PSU if PSU wins the conference title.
People need to stop looking at the polls as they are today and instead think about how they will look on 12/3. In the event that "chalk holds" (including OSU over Michigan), you will have 4 conference champions and the Big 12 winner. That is going to put AL, Clemson, and PSU in the CFP. PSU's resume will be stronger than people think because by that time, they will be the winner of the conference that is arguably viewed as the strongest by the committee. PSU will also have gone 2-1 against teams in the top 10-15 of that final poll (OSU, Wisc, and UM). In addition, PSU owns the head to head over OSU. It is very possible PSU may have the country's second longest winning streak at that time (Power 5) or no worse than tied for 4th longest winning streak. Tell me, what other teams will have that resume? None - that's why PSU gets the nod over OSU.
The battle for the 4th team will come down to OSU (assuming they win out) and any number of other possibilities depending upon what happens in the Pac 12 and Big 12. Again, this assumes AL and Clemson win out.
Ignore Louisville. They better celebrate their ranking tonight because they will be out of the top 4 on 12/3 unless everyone else has at least 2 losses. Take a look at Louisville' schedule. Most likely only 1 win against a top 25 and that will be against an FSU squad with 3 or 4 losses. No conference title and maybe no wins against anyone in the top 25 if FSU loses to Florida in their rivalry game. They will have the weakest resume by far of all teams in the current top 10.
With all of that being said, PSU may very well be given the #4 seed, but who cares.
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Of those teams vaulted over other teams in the past, they all had similar numbers of losses, typically one. This year is new ground, not seen the past two years, with some quality two loss teams with conference championships. No one is sure what they will do. You believe they will value a conference championship over more losses, I do not. OSU appears to be the only team within shouting distance of Alabama and pretty clearly (to many) the second best team in the country. I believe strongly in conference champions, but where do you draw the line? If 7-5 Virginia Tech beats Clemson in the ACC chsmpionship, should they make the playoffs? And if the committee decides to take both PSU and OSU, how are they ranked? Will they do the stupid pro sports thing where division winners get higher seeds over better teams or have teams play too soon, like the Penguins and Capitals, or would they seed them? Unknown. Try to respond nicely. Try to be grashizz
Remember when the B1G got no respect and it was all "SEC, SEC, SEC"?
It wasn't long ago.
It wasn't long ago.
If only PSU and OSU played, that would sort this all out.
OSU is currently "#2" (no pun intended
)If this issue is relevant, it means they finish out their season beating MSU and UMich.......
The #2 team in the nation is going to finish out with wins over MSU (yeah, I know they are 3-7) and UMich - - - - - one of the Top 5 teams in the country - - - - and they are going to DROP OUT OF THE TOP 4?
Seriously?
OSU "controls their own destiny" with the same certainty that Alabama does.......100%.
Good grief......just because the Yappers on ESPN want folks to "tune in" to their 24/7 Circle-Jerks.....and want to make things sound as convoluted and conspiratorial as possible......doesn't mean folks have to be that oblivious.
(Then again, we are talking about "Fan-Boy" mentality)
I will respond nicely and you all ready beat this to death in another thread, so I will quickly summarize (and again, this assumes OSU and PSU win out).
You believe the committee will value a team with one loss more than they will value a team with two losses. In many instances, you would be correct. I could come up with many examples that would support that position.
When it comes down to choosing one of two teams from the same conference, I believe the committee will choose the team that won the conference title AND beat the other team head to head just a few weeks prior. There appears to be precedent and written documentation supporting my position.
Regardless, you are not going to change my opinion and I am not going to change your opinion, so that is all. Good luck and I hope we both win out.
there is no guarantee that a conference champion goes to the final four.... None. Bama is in and so is O$U. Book it. They will win out. Clemson is in over a one loss Louisville if both win out because of head to head and Clemson winning the conference. That leaves one slot open. Louisville is in if they win out. Book it, too, no matter who wins the B1G. The only possible disruption would be Washington, if they win out. It opens up if any two of the one loss teams lose.
Of course, you are correct about PSU beating OSU. That's what makes it difficult. If OSU won, no issues. If PSU and OSU both had the same number of losses, 1 or 2, then no issues there with head to head, etc. But what makes it difficult is number of losses. The overall rankings seem to take into account the number of losses. Conference championships are important but in my opinion, less than losses and schedule strength. OSU has a loss and schedule strength advantage over PSU, but PSU would have head to head and the conference. Certainly a tough call.
OSU is currently "#2" (no pun intended
If this issue is relevant, it means they finish out their season beating MSU and UMich.......
The #2 team in the nation is going to finish out with wins over MSU (yeah, I know they are 3-7) and UMich - - - - - one of the Top 5 teams in the country - - - - and they are going to DROP OUT OF THE TOP 4?
Seriously?
OSU "controls their own destiny" with the same certainty that Alabama does.......100%.
Good grief......just because the Yappers on ESPN want folks to "tune in" to their 24/7 Circle-Jerks.....and want to make things sound as convoluted and conspiratorial as possible......doesn't mean folks have to be that oblivious.
(Then again, we are talking about "Fan-Boy" mentality)
Yes, teams do get dropped:
Dec 2, 2014 - TCU 10-1 ranked #3
Dec 5, 2014 - TCU 11-1 ranked #6 - final poll
I am not going to debate the issue of whether or not OSU finishes in the top 4 because frankly, I believe they will. My belief is that the committee won't choose OSU instead of PSU. Thus, I agree with Danielson that the committee "can't" take OSU without also taking PSU because the the two factors of PSU winning the title AND beating OSU head to head.
I do believe there is a scenario where Wisconsin could win the title by beating PSU and the committee chooses OSU instead of Wisconsin due to the head to head.
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