daO$U would not have SOS advantage given that PSU would probably be playing a highly ranked Wisconsin in B1G Conference Championship Game.
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FWIW, Gary Danielson said PSU and OSU will both make the 4 team playoff
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daO$U would not have SOS advantage given that PSU would probably be playing a highly ranked Wisconsin in B1G Conference Championship Game.
Or the cheating b1g shizhole and their joke football officials attempt to engineer a PSU loss a la 2014 giving daO$U a path to the CCG.......
Not just their competency, but it would destroy what little credibility they have left.
There are actually folks "debating" whether or not the committee could "bypass" a conference champion?
Seriously?
They have - and they will - BYPASS CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR (at LEAST one each year....unless/until they expand the "field")
Uh.......5 "P5" Conferences
.......4 spots in the "Field"
Good Grief.
Fan Boys.
Seriously?
They have - and they will - BYPASS CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR (at LEAST one each year....unless/until they expand the "field")
Uh.......5 "P5" Conferences
.......4 spots in the "Field"Good Grief.
Fan Boys.
There are actually folks "debating" whether or not the committee could "bypass" a conference champion?
Seriously?
They have - and they will - BYPASS CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR (at LEAST one each year....unless/until they expand the "field")
Uh.......5 "P5" Conferences
Good Grief.
Fan Boys.
Apples and oranges and you know it. Of course they will bypass a conference champion every year as there are only 4 spots and 5 conferences.
That's not the debate here ... the debate is whether or not they would bypass a conference champion for a team FROM THE SAME CONFERENCE that it beat head to head.
I don't think they would, apparently you do, so I will agree to shake hands and move on to the next topic of discussion ... like how many o linemen will get hurt this week in practice!
There are actually folks "debating" whether or not the committee could "bypass" a conference champion?
Seriously?
They have - and they will - BYPASS CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR (at LEAST one each year....unless/until they expand the "field")
Uh.......5 "P5" Conferences
Good Grief.
Fan Boys.
Yes, but they have NEVER by-passed the Conference Champion from the Conference that they judge to be the most powerful Conference (including the most powerful Division in the Conference) in all of CFB. The "strength" of the Conference (especially whether it is 1 or 2 within the P5) has ALWAYS been a HUGE CONSIDERATION for the Selection Committee (i.e., winning the Conference Championship of what is judged to be the strongest "Conference" - and again, Division - in all of college football that year is pretty much a guarantee that the Conference and Division Champion of the Conference and Division ranked #1 - including a head-to-head win over the team being considered who has no Conference Championship - is pretty much a GUARANTEE that this Conference Champion will go regardless of whether the team being considered without a Conference Championship gets selected or not).
So hopefully we can at least agree that this popularity contest of a system sucks.
You keep focusing on the additional loss, but we would also have an additional win. So granted your winning percentage would be higher, but you can't just compare number of losses.
So what's the message? Don't play in the conference championship game, avoiding a possible loss and get rewarded by making the playoff?
I sure don't know the right answer.....
They have to be careful too, because keeping a team out because of an OOC loss will only incentivize teams to play cupcakes, which no one wants.
There's still a lot of football to be played, including in the Big 10. First of all Michigan could win out which makes the argument futile. I wouldn't be surprised if MSU plays a role as a spoiler. It could be over PSU, but it could also be over OSU.
Whether OSU gets in or not depends on- assuming they win out, how they look doing it. Similarly, how the champions of other conferences look, even if they win.
Conference Championships is a big factor. But there are other factors too. It would take a team that won more games, that had a tough strength of schedule, high value wins, a so-called good loss, perceived strength in talent and coaching, and to be looking like one of the four best teams in the nation at season" end, to overtake a champion from a conference. OSU has that potential.
Having said that, I don't see OSU going instead of PSU. Maybe along with- and possibly even a higher seed, possibly. I can see OSU going as well with Wisky, and possible instead of Wisconsin, possibly.
And it's also possible for a 1 loss OSU to be out of the playoffs.
Whether OSU gets in or not depends on- assuming they win out, how they look doing it. Similarly, how the champions of other conferences look, even if they win.
Conference Championships is a big factor. But there are other factors too. It would take a team that won more games, that had a tough strength of schedule, high value wins, a so-called good loss, perceived strength in talent and coaching, and to be looking like one of the four best teams in the nation at season" end, to overtake a champion from a conference. OSU has that potential.
Having said that, I don't see OSU going instead of PSU. Maybe along with- and possibly even a higher seed, possibly. I can see OSU going as well with Wisky, and possible instead of Wisconsin, possibly.
And it's also possible for a 1 loss OSU to be out of the playoffs.
If PSU finished 10-2 and won the B10 championship game, they would be 11-2. OSU would be 11-1 with the same number of wins. But that also opens up a team to an additional loss opportunity, as you point out.
Yeah, don't want to have teams pass on the opportunity to play a weaker in-state rival in a half filled pro stadium, and instead take the easy way out and play a crap team like OU in Norman.
All this contorting and you needed only to score a FG in the last 23 minutes of the PSU game to get to overtime and you could be undefeated. You got a blocked FG, a punt that sailed over our punters head for a safety, a fumbled punt right back to your guy...all you had to do was beat us. Up 21-7 in the 4th quarter....SAD!
If we suck so badly and don't deserve it what does that make you?
If PSU runs the tablen and wins the Big Ten, that gives them roughly 7-8 wins over teams with winning records in the the power 5. Not to mention 2 wins over top 10 teams. And they're conference champion.
Louisville would have two wins over teams with a winning record. And only one win against a top 25 team. And they couldn't claim conference champs.
so you honestly believe they'd go over PSU?!?
LOL. Yeah, with the double Garrity connection at NA. Fusina just emailed me the other day on a business matter. You got a lot of guy posting from Ohio. I always enjoy the back and forth between the two states - OSU/PSU or Steelers/Bengals
From the official committee protocol...
"Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar."
"Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar."
OSU is currently "#2" (no pun intended
If this issue is relevant, it means they finish out their season beating MSU and UMich.......
The #2 team in the nation is going to finish out with wins over MSU (yeah, I know they are 3-7) and UMich - - - - - one of the Top 5 teams in the country - - - - and they are going to DROP OUT OF THE TOP 4?
Seriously?
OSU "controls their own destiny" with the same certainty that Alabama does.......100%.
Good grief......just because the Yappers on ESPN want folks to "tune in" to their 24/7 Circle-Jerks.....and want to make things sound as convoluted and conspiratorial as possible......doesn't mean folks have to be that oblivious.
(Then again, we are talking about "Fan-Boy" mentality)
Each week is a brand new ranking based on what has happened up to the current moment. If OSU and PSU win their regular season games, OSU will NOT be playing on December 3rd. They cannot help themselves by winning a conference championship while several teams will be winning (or losing) huge games against ranked opponents. Those games and championships won (or lost) will be a factor. Last year they didn't play in a conference title game and moved down one spot the last week with Stanford passing them despite having two losses. Didn't matter because neither were top 4, but it did happen. I would think a two loss team that won head to head and the conference championship would pass them this year too if the committee is consistent.. If you're a team thinking about the playoff and didn't win your conference, you should be nervous. No team that hasn't won their conference has gotten in either of the first two years of the playoff. I do think OSU gets in at 4 behind 3 conference champions especially if one is Oklahoma due to head to head and Washington's absolutely atrocious non con schedule.
I will give you 10-1 odds.....for any amount you wish to wager:
"OSU wins out - do they get into the "Final Four" - even if they do NOT win the B1G Championship?"
I say YES......
How much you wanna' lose......er, uh.....I mean, wager?
I haven't done any "sports wagering" in a few years......but my goodness, I'd jump in with both feet, and the mortgage money, if I could get action from some of these folks who think OSU can "win out" and not make the MNC Tourney.
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Need an 8 team playoff, P5 champs, best of G6, two at-large.
All of this hullabaloo about the Selection Committee putting huge emphasis on teams being separated by a loss while playing wholly different OOC schedules (and wholly different schedules all for teams being compared from two different conferences) is complete nonsense as proven not only by the Selection Committee's actions over the past two years, but also THIS YEAR! Let's not forget that the inaugural ranking this year had a 1-loss aTm ranked over an 8-0 U-dub....they have also had several 2-loss teams ranked in front of 1-loss teams (and even 1 and 2 loss teams in front of 8-0 CMU). The Selection Committee has made it quite clear that they don't look at a difference in record of 1-loss between two teams they have judged as "comparable" as being a meaningful determinant - the meaningful determinant in these situations is: i. Championships won by the two teams, ii. head-to-head between the specific teams, iii. wins against other Top 10 teams by the two teams, iv. wins against other Top 25 teams by the two teams, v. wins against teams with +.500 records and SOS, etc.... Again, their actions on this topic speak volumes not only the last two years BUT THIS YEAR AS WELL!!! The Selection Committee does not place the emphasis claimed on a difference of 1-loss, it is a completely bull$hit claim and runs directly COUNTER to the Selection Committee's actions over the last 3 years INCLUDING THIS YEAR!!!
I will give you 10-1 odds.....for any amount you wish to wager:
"OSU wins out - do they get into the "Final Four" - even if they do NOT win the B1G Championship?"
I say YES......
How much you wanna' lose......er, uh.....I mean, wager?
I haven't done any "sports wagering" in a few years......but my goodness, I'd jump in with both feet, and the mortgage money, if I could get action from some of these folks who think OSU can "win out" and not make the MNC Tourney.
They probably would - if PSU wins B1G Conference Championship, daO$U probably gets in as #4 behind PSU as the would have lost head-to-head, the B1G East Division and the B1G Conference Title. They probably get in as high as #2 or #3 with Wisconsin #4 if Wisconsin were to win B1G Conference Championship Game as daO$U holds the on-field head-to-head win over Wisconsin and would only have the loss to PSU.
This is all fun and games as we have no idea what the committee will do. If we all win out, then the committee can do what they do, and we can all bitch, or not bitch as the case may be
I will give you 10-1 odds.....for any amount you wish to wager:
"OSU wins out - do they get into the "Final Four" - even if they do NOT win the B1G Championship?"
I say YES......
How much you wanna' lose......er, uh.....I mean, wager?
I haven't done any "sports wagering" in a few years......but my goodness, I'd jump in with both feet, and the mortgage money, if I could get action from some of these folks who think OSU can "win out" and not make the MNC Tourney.
Yeah.. I'm not sure where I said they wouldn't make it. I just think conference champ PSU would get in over them as would Bama and Clemson as conference winners. We'd see how much they value conference championships among one loss teams with regard to Washington and Ohio State if Washington would win out. I would argue for OSU, but I could see the committee putting in Washington and it wouldn't surprise me.
Wasn't going there, but since you did.... one could argue choklahoma is an easier game than a team like Pitt that treats you as their super bowl. Oklahoma blows every marquee game.
I was simply saying PSU could have played central Michigan and OSU could have played Kent state. What fun is that?
If the conference champion is OSU, UM or PSU, they get in. Whisky is the only team that has no shot at going unless there is a massive shakeup at the top.
Can't see any way that a B1G Champion from the toughest Division in all of CFB that will almost certainly have 3 of the top 8 teams in tonight's CFB Playoff Ranking!!! (i.e., 8-1 in the B1G East Division). PSU would also own a head-to-head win over daO$U. If PSU ends up winning out, goes to B1G CCG (i.e., daO$U beats scUM) and wins the B1G CCG....., no way they can leave PSU out of the Top 4 and would likely slot PSU and the ACC Champion (Clemson) 2/3 and probably daO$U #4 due to the abject weakness of U-dub's schedule even if they win out.
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