OK...fine. Don't go disappearing down the road on us.
Heard on Sports radio in Dayton area today (re: Michigan)
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quoting rick in dayton, who in turn is paraphrasing some osu slapdicks....this all you got?
I saw one talking head say, and I can't disagree with him, is that the networks now run college football. To take the national champion out and publicly slam them isn't in the network's best interests. he was suggesting it will be a big bowl of nothing. It could be but then all the teams will start cheating since there are no longer consequences.
Nope...you just wanted to be a D-bag. It's okay, we see those from Michigan all the time. It is like a core competency or something. It wasn't so bad when tOS was whooping you and PSU was winning consistently, though. Wonder why.
this is actually a smarter take, the networks call the shots....thx for backpeddling
Exactly. do people believe that firing Matt Weiss, Chris Partridge, Denard Robinson and Sherrone Moore text deletion along with CMU QB coach Jake Kostner (tied to Connor as both at UM together) are not part of wider campaign? You would have to be delusional UM shill.
be accountable, don't say this is what's gonna happen because i heard it from some guy...i expect more from you
kostner is a cmu problem, not a UM problem...and you lumped in robinson for no reason, guy got fired for a dui and is negotiating with the ncaa over minor recruiting violations...you'd know this if you read the articles and not the summery at buckeye scoop, lol..weiss was creeping on coeds online, nothing to do with stallions...
Of course he does, after the fact. I guess everybody "cleans there phone up" on the daily. Him, CS, both just decided to delete both threads from their phones JUST as the investigation/accusations began.
Best luck ever? Smartest guys in the room? How would you describe it.
we know he deleted the texts the day CS name came out in the media..either he wanted to delete incriminating texts, or he had the thought that he should distance himself from CS because CS was being investigated..regardless, he deleted them BEFORE the ncaa requested them, and when asked to produce them, he did..and it didn't require any forensic imaging as was speculated, the messages were still in the deleted box of his phone..the prior noa somehow wanted to still punish moore even though he complied with the request..obviously, we can infer that the recovered texts were not incriminating because the contents were not leaked...we can further infer that they were innocuous because it was suggested in the prior draft that he be given a level 2 as opposed to a level 1 violation..surely if the recovered texts were incriminating moore would have been charged with a level 1 violation..
Where are you getting your information? How do you know they were in the deleted folder? This is the type of details you call others out for, but you have not given a source.
You are obviously a Michigan fan (of which I don't care), it's just obvious that you started this screen name to essentially defend Michigan without using the one you usually 🤡 around from 😉.
Again, sources? Love to know them. You obviously don't like any that are "bad" for Michigan, but proudly present unsorted "nothing will happen/ nothing to see here" ones.
Dang…..was hoping no one would respond to him after three consecutive posts (118-120). Wondered how long he would rant by himself 🤷🏻♀️
I'm still confused on why the Big Ten would push for sanctions here. Not opposed to it...just doesn't make sense. Only money matters. That hurts business.
How about the other scUM douche apologist.... he's all over the place - his latest nonsensical bullshit is that it doesn't matter whether scUM cheated and wantonly, and blatantly, broke the NCAA Rules of Competition for several years.... it only matters wether the BTN makes money off of their b1g broadcasts (BTN owns the broadcast rights for all b1g teams)????? And this f'ing moron calls others "illogical" LMFAO! I missed the NCAA Rule that says you can cheat and blatantly violate all the rules you like as long as your Broadcasts are valuable to BTN???? There's tons of teams whose broadcasts are extremely valuable to BTN (PSU, duhO$U, USC, Oregon........) so that means all these teams can just ignore NCAA Rules and cheat until their hearts content???? These scUM and traditional b1g types are quite the lowlife douchebags - what a wonderful league, such integrity.
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Money is all that matters
I don't care if Michigan football never plays another game. Just being real here.
The NCAA is dead and if all anyone here talks about is how the Big Ten only cares about 2 teams but now they're actively trying to destroy one of those two...find the logic
Dude, you are absolutely clueless, and have not a clue of how this is going down. You're nothing but a troll at this point.
NOA does not list punishment tho. But an OSU site somehow knows punishment? Gonna be interesting
The NCAA got all those texts in the end. They did get turned over.
I'm sure they did, but I'm curious about the source that stated Moore deleted them from his messaging app, but forgot to clear his trash. I've not seen anything that detailed about them getting the text messages released and was curious to see the source.
I would expect that if he got nervous enough to delete them, why wouldn't he clear the trash? I know it doesn't matter, they can still be retrieved, but I'm more or less interested in reading the report that stated this much detail from a poster, who obviously created this profile just to convey a Michigan positive position, that constantly shoots down and laughs at any and all negative Michigan posts yet never sources the info he shares and pretends it is gospel.
My understanding is that they were actually turned into the NCAA by UM. But who really knows at this point.
fair question, main sources are isaiah hole and the hated sam webb...both have sources inside the program, and hole recently divulged that he will appear in the stallions netflix piece and that CS has been one of his sources..had to start a new account because i was banned under my original one, mods don't like people speaking their minds...i have no beef with actual sources that have legit info...my beef is with people taking as gospel rumors started on a buckeye fan page/twitter, from a guy who was escorted out of the WHAC and had his credentials taken because he stole osu practice video and paid a walk on for practice info....most of the rumors that rick in dayton brings up are wet dreams of kirk barton..google kirk barton banned
Where is the info at? Michigan board? Is it paywalled?
What about the premierdrum guy? I don't think he's the same person you are talking about, but he's supposedly a Columbus reporter working with people in Ann Arbor.
as a rule, i don't like to subscribe to pay sites, consequently i get the info a week later for free...webb has a pay site, but he usually talks about the info a few days later on his sports radio show..he has a M-F show on wtka out of ann arbor..his info can be found for free at The Michigan Insider podcast...hole hosts Locked on Wolverines, a free show that can be found on youtube and podcast format..an example of the content, webb was talking about CS being on the sideline of the cmu game 7 months ago..he also disclosed that he was there freelancing for cmu with the knowledge of cmu staffers..this was 7 months ago, and the ncaa and "media" just put this out like a week ago..i know nothing about premierdrum except what he has stated, that he's a former staffer at a columbus tv station..he says he has "sdources" in chicago and detroit that cover UM sports..as a lifelong Michigan resident and UM fan, i can assure you that nobody in chicago "covers" UM football..there is also nobody in detroit media that has a UM "beat"...of course maybe he is referring to mike valenti and rico beard, two MSU slappies that host the top sports show in detroit radio..those guys have a microphone, but have zero access to the UM program..as a side note, hole signed an nda for the CS special...since it is dropping tomorrow, he will be free to discuss it in length on his podcast tomorrow..
Whether it's OSU people or others longtime contacts at the conference level is meaningful. Podcasters may not have the direct info but those they know may. A bunch of Big 10 universities and coaches have been pushing for sever punishment since the info hit the NCAA. OSU being just one of them. Surprised there haven't been more leaks.
I don't see them taking away Cheatigan's NC. That's just my take.
I reported on the main board and maybe here too that there is a power struggle between the Big 10 networks and the presidents, for now the presidents seem to be wining.
Hey Buddy, quit dumping on me. I started this thread on what I heard on the radio. I did not say it was true, simply what 11 Warriors was reporting. Others are making additional comments and speculating on punishment.
Based on what are the "presidents winning now"?
Let's be real...when have the presidents gotten their way over the networks. See the latest expansion.
They don't need to take away the NC banner. What the NCAA can do is vacate wins that were won by cheating. Anyone with a brain will look at the vacated wins and think (key word, sometimes lacking) how a team can win a NC banner yet have all of the wins that led to it vacated, making the banner meaningless.
the rumor is that they will vacate wins for two years and be banned from bowls for two years. Plus, some kind of monetary fine.
One of the most ridiculous things about this whole affair is how scUM and their media shills (especially the scumbag ridden E-SPiN) have routinely labeled the scandal as "Sign Stealing", which is not an NCAA Violation (the shills and scumbag apologists have labeled it as such in an attempt to minimize the violations knowing that "Sign Stealing" is not against NCAA Rules). The Rulebook Violation that scUM wantonly trampled and did so for the better part of a decade (Stalions was first brought on in 2015 as a Volunteer Coach to implement this scheme that he had marketed to Harbaugh according to his own "manifesto" to bring scUM back to greatness that he published on his personal pages before Harbaugh brought him on) was ILLEGAL SCOUTING ACTIVITIES OF FUTURE OPPONENTS - illegal activities which are delineated in the NCAA's Rules of Competition and scUM/Stalions knew what he was doing was illegal as evidenced by him disguising himself at the CMU/MSU game. Beyond the cheating violation, scUM violated every ethical code within the NCAA Rulebook (Level I Violations in-and-of themselves). Harbaugh and scUM are guilty of "Lack of Institutional Control" - a Level I Major Infraction - even if they want to continue to perpetuate their lame, silly and irrelevant excuse that Harbaugh "didn't know" (the Rulebook specifically states that Harbaugh/scUM are responsible for vetting assistants work product - including recruiting - at the institutional level and Harbaugh/scUM invoking the three monkey "Hear, See and Speak No Evil Defense" (i.e., ignorance) is not a defense whatsoever and does not mitigate accountability under Rulebook Violation Sanctions.). NCAA Football is not the only sport which prohibits such Illegal Scouting Activities of future opponents - virtually all sports ban these activities and label them UNETHICAL; this IN FACT is what FIFA severely sanctioned the Canadian Women's Soccer Team/Program for during this past summer's Olympic Games.
Utterly ridiculous how the parties at the very top of scUM, and their media shills, have attempted to mislabel, deflect the significance of and refuse to accept responsibility for blatant and wanton cheating (i.e., trampling of the Sport's Competitive Codes to gain illegal competitive-advantage) - not just refusing to accept responsibility, but obfuscating to attempt to hinder the NCAA - a Collegial Organization they are a Member of and agree not to act in this Unethical manner. It's disgraceful that the leaders of an Institution of Higher Education would act, and behave, in such a disgraceful and unethical manner. Just disgusting - this is what they are teaching their students is acceptable behavior! Disgraceful.
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Michigan won't care what anyone else thinks
Just like we didn't care what anyone else thought when Joe's wins were vacated
Any punishment has to be moving forward to actually matter
Why not both? It didn't hurt my feelings when UCF hung up a banner saying "NATIONAL CHAMPIONS". It won't hurt my feelings one way or the other, but the asterisk is justified and deserved. Between the illegal recruiting, the database of advanced scouting (at least 58 games) and implementation of the information along with the conference titles (that naturally boost recruiting) and having Harbaugh (he's always been a great coach, but this makes one wonder...how long has he been this dirty?) on the sideline, it's no wonder they drastically turned things around.
Unless plans are in place to make in person scouting legal again, it's not like they will have to go back on it.
Any punishment going forward has to be severe enough that teams are going to think twice and a third time before trying something like this. The conference can make their money whether Michigan is eligible for the playoff. Michigan isn't the only breadwinner. The playoff will make its money as well. It doesn't need Michigan to be successful.
It doesn't matter what you I or the wind saw. If rules were broken, take it off the books and make it impossible to attain for at least 2 to 3 times as long as the rule breaking took place. Whether it happens or not, it needs stated.
Michigan's "natty" will always be hollow. That is why we have Michigan posters on our board defending the indefensible. They are trying to deal with the realization that their natty is worthless. People can "say" whatever they want but most know the truth.
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