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Your novel you just wrote would be great except I'm a PSU fan and not a big fan of Brands. I just hate hyperbole and misrepresentations. We just won 5 of 6. Try to win with some class.

Too funny, yea you're a "big PSU fan" and "not a big fan of Brands".....rrrrriiiiiiggggghhhhhtttttt, from your mouth to God's ear. Whatever doodle-brains - too funny, you dispensing advice on "class" as you hammer Ramos and his family for being pissed at Brands for costing him a crapload of $$$ and opportunity by refusing to answer his (Ramos') very straightforward CAREER questions regarding his employment with the HWC in a STRAIGHTFORWARD AND HONEST MANNER! You wouldn't know "class" if it came up and kicked your sorry @ss taught you the lesson your arrogance and hypocrisy deserves. Who the hell are you to defame Ramos when you don't know squat about his conversations with Tom Brands, nor what representations were made to him???
 
Have to say (for most of the rest of you), you are handling this with class. A nice Cael thread going on over on HR from the guys that were at the tourney. Turns out, he is a nice guy.
Az, I think that is because it isn't an Iowa issue or a Brands issue per se, but how one individual wrestler performing for his country perceives his value. This happens in every walk of life and to all of us at some point in time, so to me it isn't even about wrestling, but human interaction and communications. A non sexy way to describe the situation, but that is the bottom line.
 
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Even if everything you wrote is true (which it is not), it doesn't matter WHATSOEVER. Tony Ramos is 100% responsible for how he trains and how he performs on the mat. If he was not in optimal condition to wrestle and win Sunday because of these issues, then that is 100000% on him. No ifs, ands, or buts. He controls his destiny. His problem is that he has personal doubts about himself and rather than look inward to find strength, he has chosen to look outward and blame others.

Huh??? It doesn't matter if Ramos was lied to and intentional misrepresentations were made to him when he had lucrative opportunities RELATIVE TO WHAT HE WAS GETTING AT HWC to leave HWC and he went to Tom Brands regarding these opportunities, told him he was going to leave HWC.....and Tom Brands talked him out of it with counter-proposals that largely amounted to promises and commitments that largely went unfulfilled according to Ramos??? Complete nonsense that Ramos does not have a right to be upset with his employer if he went to that employer and said, "I'm outta here, I've been offered a better deal than I believe I am getting here relative to my industry status....." and then he ends up staying based on a counter-proposal from the employer that effectively amounts to "promises" that largely went unfulfilled! You have no idea what Ramos' opportunities were at the time, how TR was being compensated relative to DD or what promises and commitments were made to him to get him to stay.
 
Who the hell are you to defame Brands when you don't know squat about his conversations with Ramos, nor what representations he made to Ramos?
 
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AT the end of the day I think this will all blow over with some time. I actually thought after Ramos slept on it he would apologize, but he seems to really believe he was mislead by Tom. It also sounds like this has been building up for a long time at least in the mind of Ramos and I'm sure he may have even created some paranoia in his own mind in regards to how he perceived he was being treated and trained.

It isn't just about how he was being "trained"! Ramos was an EMPLOYEE of HWC - he believed he deserved to be compensated commensurate with the #1 Ranked US Wrestler at 57kg, not an unrealistic expectation given that he was the two-time defending US World Team Representative at the time and the consensus #1 Ranked US Wrestler at 57kg! DD was also an EMPLOYEE of the HWC - not just an employee, but a NEW EMPLOYEE relative to TR and an EMPLOYEE that was HEAVILY RECRUITED by Tom Brands and his staff at HWC. It is pretty clear that Ramos' main beef was with his overall compensation and how he was being marketed by the HWC RELATIVE TO THE NEW EMPLOYEE - specifically, Ramos clearly felt that he was not being compensated or treated COMMENSURATE with his status at the time RELATIVE to the NEW EMPLOYEE in the "Lightweight Division". If Ramos had BETTER OFFERS to leave HWC, which he claims he did and went directly to Tom Brands with them - which is what you are supposed to do in that situation! - that is strong evidence that Ramos was JUSTIFIED in his belief that he was being UNDER-APPRECIATED AT THE TIME!
 
Too funny, yea you're a "big PSU fan" and "not a big fan of Brands".....rrrrriiiiiiggggghhhhhtttttt, from your mouth to God's ear. Whatever doodle-brains - too funny, you dispensing advice on "class" as you hammer Ramos and his family for being pissed at Brands for costing him a crapload of $$$ and opportunity by refusing to answer his (Ramos') very straightforward CAREER questions regarding his employment with the HWC in a STRAIGHTFORWARD AND HONEST MANNER! You wouldn't know "class" if it came up and kicked your sorry @ss taught you the lesson your arrogance and hypocrisy deserves. Who the hell are you to defame Ramos when you don't know squat about his conversations with Tom Brands, nor what representations were made to him???

Y ou can back through any posts and see what site they post on. I have exactly 2 posts on the Iowa board and the rest on here. Some on football and wrestling. Congrats Spyker Jr you made ignore.
 
Who the hell are you to defame Brands when you don't know squat about his conversations with Ramos, nor what representations he made to Ramos?

Unreal, it is okay for everybody to rip the crap out of Ramos - the party who may well have been the one who suffered all the damage due to the misrepresentations when he had LUCRATIVE OPPORTUNITIES to leave HWC - but it isn't okay to point out that Ramos may be JUSTIFIED in his position because that would require considering that Brands may well be in the WRONG regarding the situation and the significant financial harm that disingenuously talking Ramos out of leaving for a BETTER OFFER than he had at HWC for self-serving reasons could do to Tony Ramos, his family and his future?!?!
 
Also, the fact that he has never been a head coach. So, basically your novel is full of misinformation and pure speculation.

THE NEW COACH

Windsor High School had one state wrestling medalist in its history prior to Dennis’ arrival in the fall of 2013.

The former Iowa star brought college-level intensity and a fresh set of training methods. The Jaguars have collected seven state medals in the past three years.

“He has the right kind of mindset for a young athlete to attach to,” said Brett Colombini, whose son, Beau, was a state medalist for Windsor. “I think he resonated with the kids because he just came out of college wrestling a few years ago. The kids saw something fresh, somebody they could look up to.”

The high school athletes would watch in amazement as Dennis more than held his own against DuCharme and Brett Colombini, despite giving up more than 75 pounds.

“He’d pester us and make us wrestle him,” DuCharme said. “The guy is a freak of nature. I’ve never seen anyone as strong as that guy.”

Colombini won 111 matches during his career at Minnesota and placed fourth in the 1995 NCAA Champioships at 177 pounds.

“I’ve never got ahold of somebody at a lower weight class like that who felt like a guy I wrestled in my weight class,” he said. “He’s incredibly strong.”

One question seemed to surface each time Dennis stepped on the mat inside the Windsor practice room: Why isn’t this guy still competing?

Dennis would tell people he was too old and broken down. Truth be told, though, the time away from competitive wrestling had been good for his body. The strength in his left arm returned and he felt better than he had in years.

He might not have known it then, but his mental game was stronger than ever, too.

Dennis returned last March to Iowa City to spend a couple weeks around the program prior to the NCAA Championships. It soon became apparent his skills, strength and stamina hadn’t diminished during the time off.

And it wasn’t long before those inside the Iowa room started asking the same question: Why isn’t he competing?

“I had a conversation with him in the sauna and I told him, ‘Selfishly, I want you here, but unselfishly, it’s got to be up to you and what you want out of it,’” said Metcalf, the No. 1 seed for the Olympic Trials at 143 pounds. “But even if he (wasn’t sure about competing again), I wanted him here because of how good of a training partner he is. The areas that he’s very good in … there’s really no one else in this room that can replicate that.”

Others were more persistent and persuasive.

Former Iowa great Royce Alger came to appreciate Dennis for his disheveled beard and whimsical personality, along with his wrestling acumen. Alger launched a relentless recruiting pitch to add Dennis to the Titan Mercury Wrestling Club roster. He called one night last March when Dennis was back in the Chicago suburbs visiting his mother.

They were playing cribbage after dinner when Dennis told his mom about the campaign taking place back in Iowa City to get him back on the mat again. Her response was all he needed to hear.

“Your dad would’ve loved to have seen you wrestle again,” Jane Dennis told her son.
 
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Unreal? You're spouting off about stuff that you don't have any idea if it's true. It's pure speculation on your part. I'm not throwing Tony Ramos or anyone under the bus, neither party deserves to be defamed by anybody on a message board without fully knowing all of the facts. It could have been handled differently by both parties, I'm sure of that. I'm also sure that the ONLY reason this is even being discussed now is because Tony Ramos lost these matches. I can completely understand why people are attacking Tony, because it comes off as sour grapes after a loss. Is it right to attack him? No. If you look back from a couple of weeks ago at Flo's 57kg Iowa situation with interviews from Ramos, Dennis, and Terry Brands it will give you a little background on "the elephant in the room" as Tony Ramos alludes to. They all basically say there weren't any conversations on who would be in which corner, Terry even goes as far to say that if he had to guess he would be in Tony's corner and Tom would be in Dan's corner. None of this was handled correctly by anyone involved, it seems like.
 
I don't get Tony's problem with Dennis coming in. Daniel Dennis is just as much a Hawkeye as Tony Ramos. He has every right to train at the HWC. I don't understand why Tony thinks that he has more of a right to train there and that Dennis shouldn't have been there.

That's because you clearly misunderstand what he was UPSET about - he was not upset about DD training with HWC, just as he wasn't upset about Matt McDonough being a member of the HWC at the same time he was prior to MM getting injured. What clearly upset him was the overall treatment and compensation that DD was receiving as an EMPLOYEE of HWC RELATIVE to himself considering that he was the two-time defending US World Team Rep (via tournament wins) and the longstanding #1 Ranked US Wrestler at 57kg. Ramos has stated that his beef with Tom Brands is that he had BETTER OFFERS relative to what he was getting from HWC at the time and he was prepared to leave HWC which is why he went to Tom Brands (which is what you are SUPPOSED TO DO IN THAT SITUATION!). Ramos, for whatever reason, and reasons known only to HE & TB, felt that he was misled by representations that TB made when he talked him out of LEAVING HWC for greener pastures and pursuing an opportunity that had been presented to him at the time. To the extent that TB talked him out of leaving and that has cost he and his family a lot of $$$ both in terms of current comp and long-term comp, he potentially has a very legit beef.
 
Lol, nowhere in that article does it state that he was the HEAD coach at the high school. If you actually had done any research, you would find that Daniel Dennis was an assistant coach at Windsor High School. Hence, all of the articles you find saying "Windsor assistant coach is an Olympian".
 
Also, per Tony's news conference, he WAS upset that Dennis was even there. He said "they shouldn't even have brought him in" when asked how it should have been handled. You really have no idea why he's upset and you're all about your own speculation.
 
Where are you getting the compensation thing from FART? Money has not been discussed in terms of who is getting paid more or lucrative opportunities.

All we know is that Tony was pissed DD came back because in his words "Dennis left." So that means that Daniel Dennis is no longer welcome at HWC? Guys take breaks from mental and physical exhaustion. Varner and Herbert did as well. DD was literally wandering around a forest pondering life and wrestling...looks like it worked out for him.

But let's face it...you don't give two f*cks about Tony.
 
Lol, nowhere in that article does it state that he was the HEAD coach at the high school. If you actually had done any research, you would find that Daniel Dennis was an assistant coach at Windsor High School. Hence, all of the articles you find saying "Windsor assistant coach is an Olympian".

Oh great, yea that clearly proves that Tom Brands & staff at the HWC didn't persistently recruit him both before and during that job.....and ultimately recruiting him AWAY FROM THE COACHING POSITION he had taken 3 years earlier and was having tremendous success with (Windsor had 1 State Medalist in its history prior to DD's arrival for the 2013-2014 school year and proceeded to record 7 State Medalists over the next three campaigns while DD ws there)....blah, blah, blah, but gee why are there quotes from the likes of Metcalf that directly contradict this bull$hit that he wasn't recruited?

“I had a conversation with him in the sauna and I told him, ‘Selfishly, I want you here, but unselfishly, it’s got to be up to you and what you want out of it,’” said Metcalf, the No. 1 seed for the Olympic Trials at 143 pounds. “But even if he (wasn’t sure about competing again), I wanted him here because of how good of a training partner he is. The areas that he’s very good in … there’s really no one else in this room that can replicate that.”

Others were more persistent and persuasive.

Former Iowa great Royce Alger came to appreciate Dennis for his disheveled beard and whimsical personality, along with his wrestling acumen. Alger launched a relentless recruiting pitch to add Dennis to the Titan Mercury Wrestling Club roster. He called one night last March when Dennis was back in the Chicago suburbs visiting his mother.

They were playing cribbage after dinner when Dennis told his mom about the campaign taking place back in Iowa City to get him back on the mat again. Her response was all he needed to hear.

“Your dad would’ve loved to have seen you wrestle again,” Jane Dennis told her son.

Weird that, but he wasn't being persistently recruited by HWC.....weird that. Let me guess, he came back to Iowa City to do "volunteer work" for HWC too and they didn't make him attractive offers to entice him to do it, right? Whatever you say.....yea, we all just fell off the turnip truck like the rest of you HR goobers.....whatever!
 
Also, per Tony's news conference, he WAS upset that Dennis was even there. He said "they shouldn't even have brought him in" when asked how it should have been handled. You really have no idea why he's upset and you're all about your own speculation.
Actually, he's all about your reaction. A lot of people here have him on ignore, you might try the same.
 
I'm not real sure who you're talking to as I've never said anything about recruiting or compensation. You have some major issues that you need to get worked out, that article basically contradicts everything that you have been spouting off. Maybe, just maybe Brent Metcalf is one of his best friends? What's wrong with recruiting a guy to chase a dream? Or recruiting a guy to come in as a practice partner because he has skills that nobody else has in the room? I highly doubt a dude that is living out of his truck for fun is worried about compensation. You seem to have focused on the compensation part now as all of your other "facts" are refuted. Anyway, this has been a fun and very informative morning.
 
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Where are you getting the compensation thing from FART? Money has not been discussed in terms of who is getting paid more or lucrative opportunities.

All we know is that Tony was pissed DD came back because in his words "Dennis left." So that means that Daniel Dennis is no longer welcome at HWC? Guys take breaks from mental and physical exhaustion. Varner and Herbert did as well. DD was literally wandering around a forest pondering life and wrestling...looks like it worked out for him.

But let's face it...you don't give two f*cks about Tony.

Hello McFly, but Ramos REFERENCED a conversation with Tom Brands AFTER DD had been back wrestling with HWC for some time - in the REFERENCED CONVERSATION Ramos says he told Tom Brands that he was not happy, DISSATISFIED with his treatment at HWC relative to DD....that he had OPPORTUNITIES outside of HWC and that he told Tom Brands he was going to leave HWC to pursue one these attractive opportunities. Not only did Ramos REFERENCE this EVENT, but he stated that it was the SOURCE OF HIS CURRENT DISSATISFACTION AND FRUSTRATION WITH TOM BRANDS (and he said these things after acknowledging that he lost on the mat, but that had nothing to do with his main source of frustration and anger with Tom Brands). He went on to say that his main source of frustration and anger with Tom Brands was that he had TOLD Tom Brands that he had BETTER OFFERS for his services and went to Brands fully intending to LEAVE HWC, but Tom Brands talked him out of leaving via a combination of commitments and promises relative to TR's frustrations and dissatisfaction; however, over time these promises and commitments were not DELIVERED UPON in Ramos' opinion (and he says that he had repeatedly taken them to Terry Brands, talked them over with Terry and that Terry agreed with him!). His DISSATISFACTION and SOURCE OF RESENTMENT with Tom Brands is CLEARLY that he walked away from what he clearly now views as SUPERIOR OFFERS based on FALSE PROMISES & COMMITMENTS (and intentionally false promises and commitments) from Tom Brands that have now cost him a ton of $$$ and opportunity because he is NO LONGER in the same position LEVERAGE-WISE as he was when he WALKED AWAY from the SUPERIOR OFFERS that he fully intended to take based on his conversation(s) with Tom Brands.
 
Oh, so you're privy to what kind of deal HWC cut DD after he returned? After he won the US Senior Nationals and shot up to #3 in the rankings from nowhere? You're familiar with how DD's deal stacked up against Ramos' deal AFTER he came back and had success? This is the point where Ramos said he went to Tom Brands and told him he was leaving because he was unhappy with the current conditions - anybody but a deaf, dumb and blind man can see what Ramos is getting at; he clearly was unhappy with his treatment and financial package at HWC relative to DD. Ramos could have left HWC and commanded top $$$ and a great opportunity at the time - he was the #1 Ranked US Wrestler at 57kg and the two-time defending US World Team Representative!!! So you think he shouldn't be pissed that Tom Brands potentially cost him a $hitload of $$$ and long-term opportunity by being disingenuous with him and talking him into staying relative to leaving HWC now??? Somehow, I doubt that Tony Ramos or his family could give a flying crap about what you think one way or the other!

Just curious are u on spyker bowling team ;)/ as u seem to know all the privy stuff:)
 
I'm not real sure who you're talking to as I've never said anything about recruiting or compensation. You have some major issues that you need to get worked out, that article basically contradicts everything that you have been spouting off. Maybe, just maybe Brent Metcalf is one of his best friends? What's wrong with recruiting a guy to chase a dream? Or recruiting a guy to come in as a practice partner because he has skills that nobody else has in the room? I highly doubt a dude that is living out of his truck for fun is worried about compensation. You seem to have focused on the compensation part now as all of your other "facts" are refuted. Anyway, this has been a fun and very informative morning.

I'm getting it directly from Ramos's post-match press conference comments slack-jaw! Ramos REFERENCES a conversation(s) he had with Tom Brands when he went to tell Tom Brands that he was going to LEAVE HWC for greener pastures to accept an offer he had received and that one of the primary REASONS he was going to accept the offer was that he was very DISSATISFIED and UNHAPPY with his CURRENT STANDING AND POSITION at HWC (one of the big components of such a thing is overall comp and how you are represented within the hierarchy of the organization - in this case, especially for the "Lightweight Divsion") especially on a relative basis to the "new guy's" standing and position (which any non-HR goober would assume to include compensation and package). Ramos STATED that he felt Tom Brands intentionally misled him to get him to WALK AWAY from the opportunity he had and stay with HWC, but was being disingenuous beyond that and had no real intent to deliver on many of the promises and commitments made.......and now that he, Ramos, will be leaving the HWC under completely different circumstances, he believes he has been irreparably damaged relative to the earlier OFFER to leave HWC, because it cannot now be replicated.
 
Always fun when FART goes full turd with the CAPSLOCK.
Makes me think of ransom notes:

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I'm getting it directly from Ramos's post-match press conference comments slack-jaw! Ramos REFERENCES a conversation(s) he had with Tom Brands when he went to tell Tom Brands that he was going to LEAVE HWC for greener pastures to accept an offer he had received and that one of the primary REASONS he was going to accept the offer was that he was very DISSATISFIED and UNHAPPY with his CURRENT STANDING AND POSITION at HWC (one of the big components of such a thing is overall comp and how you are represented within the hierarchy of the organization - in this case, especially for the "Lightweight Divsion") especially on a relative basis to the "new guy's" standing and position (which any non-HR goober would assume to include compensation and package). Ramos STATED that he felt Tom Brands intentionally misled him to get him to WALK AWAY from the opportunity he had and stay with HWC, but was being disingenuous beyond that and had no real intent to deliver on many of the promises and commitments made.......and now that he, Ramos, will be leaving the HWC under completely different circumstances, he believes he has been irreparably damaged relative to the earlier OFFER to leave HWC, because it cannot now be replicated.

Someone has hijacked Franklins BWI account. I know this because the poster writing these long paragraphs has yet to type "B1g Shiz Hole"
 
Ok my last post on this well maybe;)
So Brands recurits Ramos to Iowa to wrestle and Tyler Clark transfer to Iowa from ISU and is beating Ramos in the room but not much offense scores like 1-0,2-1 Brands wants more offense so he goes with Ramos. Did we hear any bitching from Clark? Well not in the press anyway.
So Tony goes free style which in 5 years he had not done. Terry Brands coaches him and he goes and wins When DD comes back he tells Tom he has had offers for more money from other places. Tom tells him I'm in your corner like I'm in every ex Hawkeye corner. So Tony stays but who is really trying to stab someone here?
All Tony had to do was win but he didn't so now he stabs Brands and also takes away all the glory that DD deserves. I liked Ramos and like I have said in a other post even bought stuff from his web site to try and help him with support. But no more. Can you really trust a man that would run u under the bus because he didn't win?
I would guess those that was offering Tony those big deals think differenty now and they saved money. It is on Tony not Brands.
 
Always fun when FART goes full turd with the CAPSLOCK.

Too funny, according to you (and the others) prior to yesterday's radio interview, "Tony is almost certainly going to now apologized for his statements, accusations and behavior at the post-match Press Conference.....blah, blah, blah". Gee, I guess not so much self-proclaimed genius (otherwise known as Mr. Hankie) - go figure? LMFAO - at you, not with you self-proclaimed and all-knowing genius toolboy!
 
This whole thing could have been avoided, if Franklin would have been in the Ramos corner and if Bushwood would have been in the Dennis corner.;)

Gee, I thought Ramos was going to "apologize" during yesterday evenings radio appearance??? ROTFLMFAO at you self-proclaimed geniuses. Yea, your really read Ramos' comments, and Ramos himself, like a book!
 
corners dont work for Franklin/Bushwood.....he prefers circles.

What happened, I thought "Tony" was going to apologize and beg for Tom's forgiveness yesterday evening on the radio? I'm totally confused - when you have some time away from the Brands' circle-jerk, maybe you could enlighten me with some more of your "special wisdom" there Carnac.
 
I've had Spyker and FRTT on ignore for awhile now. No Regrets. 21Guns is probably next. He just head hunts for Iowa fans on several boards. Get rid of the few bad eggs and this is a great wrestling board.
 
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Ok my last post on this well maybe;)
So Brands recurits Ramos to Iowa to wrestle and Tyler Clark transfer to Iowa from ISU and is beating Ramos in the room but not much offense scores like 1-0,2-1 Brands wants more offense so he goes with Ramos. Did we hear any bitching from Clark? Well not in the press anyway.
So Tony goes free style which in 5 years he had not done. Terry Brands coaches him and he goes and wins When DD comes back he tells Tom he has had offers for more money from other places. Tom tells him I'm in your corner like I'm in every ex Hawkeye corner. So Tony stays but who is really trying to stab someone here?
All Tony had to do was win but he didn't so now he stabs Brands and also takes away all the glory that DD deserves. I liked Ramos and like I have said in a other post even bought stuff from his web site to try and help him with support. But no more. Can you really trust a man that would run u under the bus because he didn't win?
I would guess those that was offering Tony those big deals think differenty now and they saved money. It is on Tony not Brands.

What? How do you compare when TR was a collegiate athlete to an EMPLIOYEE-EMPLOYER relationship at HWC? If TR told Tom Brands that he was leaving for greener pastures (and had better offers to do so) and Tom Brands was in ANY WAY disingenuous with TR in talking him out of leaving and did so simply to get him to stay (e.g., with no intention of fulfilling some of the promises/commitments), that's dishonorable and on Tom Brands, not Tony Ramos.
 
Lincoln's Gettysburg Address: 272 words

JFK's inaugural address: 1,366 words

The Declaration of Independence: 1,458 words

MLK's "I Have A Dream" speach: 1,667 words

The U.S. Constitution (before amendments): 4,543 words

FRT's posts so far in this thread: 5,483 words

The foundation of our democracy was laid and the dreams of generations of Americans expressed in fewer words than it has taken FRT to say he thinks Tom Brands is a schmuck.
 
Lincoln's Gettysburg Address: 272 words

JFK's inaugural address: 1,366 words

The Declaration of Independence: 1,458 words

MLK's "I Have A Dream" speach: 1,667 words

The U.S. Constitution (before amendments): 4,543 words

FRT's posts so far in this thread: 5,403 words

The foundation of our democracy was laid and the dreams of generations of Americans expressed in fewer words than it has taken FRT to tell he thinks Tom Brands is a schmuck.

Gee, and what about all those words telling us about, and predicting, how Ramos was going to apologize yesterday afternoon and beg for Tom Brand's forgiveness? Not only lots of them, from lots of different shills, but all wasted because they were nothing but made up bull$hit from self-proclaimed know-it-alls who are really nothing of the kind (more like self-infatuated shills who know absolutely NOTHING as to what Brands said to Ramos when he said he was leaving or whether Ramos' anger, frustration and feeling of betrayal is justified or not).
 
This dumpster fire could have been avoided....if Ramos would have score more points than Dennis!!

How does that justify Tom Brands being disingenuous with Ramos when Ramos told Brands that he was leaving HWC in 2015 for a better offer and greener pastures because it was a better offer, but also because he wasn't happy, and was dissatisfied, with his current situation at HWC??? I'm confused how Ramos losing has anything to do with things he may have told TR a year earlier that were less than candid and cost Ramos a lot of $$$ and opportunity when TR went to TB in a straightforward manner regarding his intent to leave and reasons for leaving???
 
This thread has reached dumpster fire status.

I concur.

We all have our own ideas of what are good discussions, so-so discussions, poor discussions, and dumpster fire discussions. In general, the number of responses in a thread, and the number of views of the thread, are an indication of how interesting the community finds the topic/discussion. When threads become a mess, as this one has become, those figures provide misleading information.

I could lock the thread, but I really dislike doing that.

My simple request is that folks walk away from this thread, and not post any more responses. It has more than run its course.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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