Do you think Indiana beats USC in the Coliseum? That is the only discernible difference in their wins versus ours?
PSU B10 wins
Illinois
UCLA
USC
Wisconsin
Indiana B10 Wins
UCLA
Maryland
Northwestern
Nebraska
Washington
Michigan State
If Indiana beats OSU
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PSU B10 wins
Illinois
UCLA
USC
Wisconsin
Indiana B10 Wins
UCLA
Maryland
Northwestern
Nebraska
Washington
Michigan State
Or one could look at 2007, the year of LSU’s 2-loss MNC team. 1-loss KU played 1 ranked team (top 10 Missouri) all regular season and lost that game.
Missouri had 1 regular season loss (OU) and lost to OU again in the CCG. All the post-CCG/pre-bowl polls had 2-loss Missouri ranked ahead of 1-loss KU.
Does that sound similar to anything?
Maybe Illinois gets back into the rankings. I sure as heck hope the Gophers don’t.
Maybe. USC has played better at home than on the road so HFA probably matters. Their team speed could be tough for IU, but we'll know more about that when IU plays Michigan today.
IU brought in transfers that actually played a ton of football -- even at lower levels. They opted for G5 kids who were productive instead of P4 former 5* kids buried on depth charts (like Julian Fleming). And frankly, IU's approach makes more sense.
If IU beats OSU, a 10-2 OSU finishes higher than 11-1 Penn State. Losses to a pair of 12-0 teams won't hurt them much. And unlike us, they'll still have a signature win.
Yep. As much as I hate to admit it, we have to hope Ohio State beats the crap out of Indiana.
If Indiana wins that game, and both Ohio State and Indiana win out, we end up as the number 4 seed in the Big Ten. 11-1 gets us into the Playoffs, but as number 4 Big Ten seed, we will have to play on the road.
No, if we're 11-1 we're at worst the 8th seed.
Oregon, Georgia, SEC #2, Indiana, Ohio State and Penn State plus the 2 auto bids
Who else is jumping us for the 8-seed? No one else that matter could have 1 loss--that includes Miami
Nope. Most are All Conference at lower levels, or were highly accomplished at other FCS schools. It’s like if the Pittsburgh Steelers put on Indiana Hoosier uniforms and people couldn’t figure out how they were beating the living crap out of everyone. BOTH on Offense AND Defense. They aren’t only athletically skilled, they are controlling both lines of scrimmage.
Based on what I have seen this year, they would kick our a$$es right now. For one thing, they aren’t afraid to wrap up and tackle. Probably the most fundamentally sound team in the Big Ten up to this point.
Everyone needs to stop overestimating every team while underestimating us
If Notre Dame crushes USC the last game of the year, they could easily jump us. USC is our friend right now. They will have put us ahead of LSU, and could put us ahead of Notre Dame if they beat the Irish.
Then you have the SEC number 3 team to worry about. The odd man out between Tennessee, Georgia, and Texas could easily beat us out. And if Notre Dame crushes USC, that could put Texas A&M into play. Especially if they win the SEC Championship Game. That elevates the other three I listed.
I hope you’re right and I’m not. 🙂
USC lost to NIU--there's no spinning that. I'm sorry.
Tennessee with 2 losses or Texas with 2 losses (as they won't have a quality win) can't be ahead of us if we're 11. Tennessee is behind us with the same record. Texas is only one spot ahead of us and I'd wager we're close to Texas than Tennessee as, like us, they haven't beat anyone. A&M isn't even remotely in the conversation unless the win the SECCG which then puts them and whomever they beat ahead of us. It's still just 2 SEC teams.
I think everyone's just negative because we lost to Ohio State and we got left out when we won the Big Ten for Ohio State who we beat but the rankings on Tuesday should have alleviated any concerns if we win out. Oregon and Ohio State at 1-2 showed everyone what they think of the Big Ten.
On GameDay, they were just talking about Big Ten scenarios and one was how Penn State gets in the CCG and Herbie said, "or Penn State can just win out and host a playoff game".
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Yeah I agree. There is no way a one loss ND jumps a one loss PSU just based off beating USC. Even if A&M somehow beats Texas. Their loss is just so bad and can't compare to our loss. And if A&M beats Texas that is a good thing for us. They then go to the ccg and could lose to Georgia. Then the ccg loser has 3 losses and has to drop behind us. In that scenario only the SEC champ is ahead of us so we stay #6 not slip to #7.
Why would the third place SEC team jump us? Say it is Tennessee. They have two losses and their signature win is Alabama. A better win than what we would have but they still have 2 losses (Arkansas and Georgia). The only way that could possibly happen is they play Georgia very tough and we don't look good in any of our remaining wins.
By the way, Saban said we are playoff caliber but not championship caliber. No argument there.
I agree with Saban as well
Tennessee is already behind us and our loss was to Ohio State--we won't be penalized for that. I can't see anyone Tennessee is ahead of us if we win out unless they win out.
Texas. H2H doesn't really matter that much unless the teams are comparable. Right now it's Texas Penn State and Tennesse with maybe Indiana in 3-6. Georgia best shot is 7 but that's a battle with Bama BYU ND and Ole Miss. This is all tiers. Miami will probably still be overrated but only one of them or SMU can get in. Neither if. Clemson steals the title.
Genuinely curious which Texas wins make them incomparably better than the UGA team that beat them by 15 in Austin?
I don't think it's about "who they beat?"
The Committee established last week that Georgia wasn't as good as Ohio State. I do think that was the debate followed by "Miami, Texas, Penn State and Tennessee" so i guess it's how far you think that loss hurts Georgia.
I believe the concern with Georgia isn't just that they lost to Ole Miss but how they lost. Beck continues to struggle to the point where Georgia doesn't seem to trust him. Their only TD was a 21 yard drive after a pick. They gave up almost 400 yards to Ole Miss. It wasn't just a bad game--it was total domination.
Kirby Smart is Kirby Smart and Georgia is Georgia but that was ugly.
Not that it matters but my rankings would me
1 Oregon
2 Ohio State
3 Penn State
4 Texas
5 Tennessee
6 Indiana (not a believer--I'm not opposed to them being 9 but Ohio State will resolve that)
7 Alabama
8 Georgia
9 Ole Miss
10 Notre Dame (that NIU loss is just BAD)
11 BYU (not a believer)
12 SMU
13 Miami
14 Boise State
15 A&M
Playoffs
12 Boise State (AQ) vs 5 Ohio State (4 SMU)
11 Ole Miss vs 6 Penn State (3 BYU)
10 Georgia vs 7 Tennessee (2 Texas)
9 Alabama vs 8 Indiana (1 Georgia)
That was my big question. How many portal transfers did the new coach bring in? At what positions? And how impactful have they been?
The portal system really changed the sport. It really helps mid tier teams build up. Helps new coaches get a running start. Hurt teams like us we lose depth. Hurts fans since continuity from season to season …..harder to keep track of everything. Of course, helps fans of teams that improve. But overall good for the players.
I posted it. 22. Every skill position starter on offense plus half their defensive starters weren’t Hoosiers last year.
I think Indy brought in 28 players through the transfer portal. Most were from FCS schools like James Madison & Ohio U.
I don't think the transfer portal hurt us. We were very weak at CB and picked up Harris and Kimber. Fleming & Rucci have only had a modest impact. The portal pretty much takes the best players from FCS teams.
PSU could have really used players like LB Kamara and WR Sarratt. I'd like to think PSU has a bigger NIL budget than IND.
Sarratt had two awful drops yesterday--let's see what they do against Ohio State because our guys have been fine against teams like Michigan this year. The problem is they aren't good enough to beat Ohio State
Rourke has the best passer rating in the BiG and Sarratt is 5th in total receiving yards. Yes Indy has a weak schedule but the performance of many of their small school transfers is still quite impressive.
Passer rating is misleading and, yes, their weak schedule also makes them look better than they are. They're very well coached but we'll see how they play in 2 weeks vs Ohio State. If they get blown out it's just another smoke & mirrors situation like FSU last year or BYU/Miami this year. They're very lucky they have the Big Ten schedule they do.
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You people are seriously deluded if you think this hack Conference is going to allow duhO$U to take another loss prior to CCG. Indiana is going to get jobbed by non-calls in the Defensive Secondary and along the OL (translation - the b1g Clown Crew is going to let "one team play" [i.e., ignore the Rulebook in regards to Offensive and Defensive Holding and Pass Interference] - and that team ain't Indiana.).
Wow, that’s huge. And amazing that he could cherry pick from lower division schools, get the right guys at the right spots, get them to learn a new system and play as a team and adjust to bigger, faster, stronger opposition.
Tip ‘o the hat to Cignetti for pulling this off.
Guys Ohio and JMU aren't lower division schools. It's all FBS. Say G5 if you want but it's all the same division.
We’d all like to think that, and they do, but not by much. Indiana is 28th in the list and PSU is 25th, so it’s pretty close.
How many losses does UGA have to take before you think Texas can be ranked higher?
Should BYU be ranked higher than both with their schedule? I don't think so.
I think Texas should be ranked higher this week, and probably will. It’s the closest comp to how this committee would handle the hypothetical of a potential 1 loss psu against a 2 loss osu.
Texas has no ranked wins and lost to the only currently ranked team they’ve played. UGA has the h2h and 2 loses to ranked opponents. This will obviously change by years end since the horns play the aggies to wrap up the season and UGA could very well get knocked out entirely by the vols.
I find it amusing how people are saying no way this and no way that. Well it's very much way. This "playoff" is still a collection of "eye test" and reputation teams so anything is possible.
Until they establish fixed rules for everybody getting in it's always going to be like that.
Until they establish fixed rules for everybody getting in it's always going to be like that.
Watched Indiana, not impressive, they will get rolled by OSU. Wanted Indiana to lose to Michigan, first time I ever rooted for Michigan. PSU has to win out, think OSU will beat Oregon, Big will have 4 one loss teams, do all 4 get in???
