I am merely stating the obvious. One can purchase a national championship in college football now. It’s not bitching. It’s stating the obvious. You should be happy that your team purchased a national championship (the entire board knows you are not a PSU fan.) This is how MLB works as well. It’s great when you’re a Yankees fan or a Dodgers fan. It’s not great when you are a Pirates fan. This will over the next few decades erode college football.
OSU vs ND game thread
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The defender on the slot reciever fell down on that play. The safety came over to help support and may have been available to defend Smith but had to defend the slot when the defender fell down. I don't know but both players on the right side were wide open.
Exactly. I don't watch a lot of pro football but tuned in to the Ravens because various men in the family are big Ravens fans, and I sent them an e-mail afterward noting the uncanny similarities between the way the Ravens lose big games and the way Penn State does the same: stupid penalties...horrible turnovers...inability to make the clutch play in crunch time.
Even the terrible drop by Mark Andrews on the 3-yard pass that would tied the game late...I mean, what did that remind you of...
You do realize that a ton of OSUs money went to roster retention, similar to what PSU 2025 will look like. Yes, they added Downs, Howard, and Judkins, but nearly the entire core of OSU are all the upperclassmen who returned. And, it paid dividends. You make it seem like OSU went TAMU or Miami style....teams that have no foundation.
Hopefully PSU sees the same reward by building their roster in similar fashion as OSU... and adding pieces here and there from the portal.
I’m very curious to see what that number will look like next season. I guess we’ll find out in the summer. We definitely spent a few more dollars retaining guys. Conversely, we are not paying for an Abdul Carter level player either.
These numbers seem to be very fluid...not sure anyone knows exactly amounts...but I would imagine we paid a lot to keep a bunch of our core guys.
You can't. You still have to execute and get the right people
Penn State is doing the exact the same thing next year--that's how we kept everyone
We (yes, Penn State) is one of the haves--there's no difference. We're not Pitt
College football has ALWAYS been this way. At least since the 60s. Stop pretending anything changed. It hasn't other than kids are getting their fair share.
You're 100% bitching. College football is stronger than ever.
Tengwell indicated in an X post our NIL donors were more active in the retention efforts. We may become more like the Dodgers next season. For 2024 we were not and punched above our weight in terms of NIL.
We were--McAfee made that very, very clear. So did Herbie. We're spending--we just do it to retain guys. Hell, Beau and Grunk were paid.
Yeah. That 2 point conversion throw to Andrews was so like the Allar throw to Singleton. Both QBs could have made better throws and both receivers should have caught the ball. The ball was really slippery in Buffalo compared to the indoor game versus ND. But yeah, weirdly similar.
I already gave you the sources for 2024. I have other citations as well that indicated for these playoffs we were midtier NIL for the 12 teams, obviously safely above Boise and ASU and well-below Texas and OSU. If you can cite anything else for 2024 then do so. The reality is that you can purchase a championship. And that’s been true for 20+ years as that is how the OSU and SEC schools amassed talent under the table. Now it’s all legal and most of the same schools vastly outspend the rest. Not sure if you have friends from other schools and other conferences. I do, including west coast schools. Their interest is waning. College football interest is based on not just the Alabama’s, but also the hope of the Cals and Virginias as well.
This game got close because Day pulled the plug and went into don't make a mistake mode. Luckily for him, they had a big enough lead. If they don't complete that long pass late, they might have been in OT. Playing safe on O takes the air out of your D as well.
This is the way Day plays the entire game against us and Michigan, and why they're close, low scoring affairs. OSU should've buried ND.
This is the way Day plays the entire game against us and Michigan, and why they're close, low scoring affairs. OSU should've buried ND.
OSU was starting with better talent across the board and supplemented it by adding the best available portal players. That's not where we are at.
Agree. ND had NO ANSWER for the OSU WRs. But OSU went into a shell in the second half late in the 3rd quarter. ND no longer played the pass and tOSU was coming out in two or three TE formations. In any other game, one that came with style points and not a W/L outcome, tOSU would have won by 30 or more.
The process and build structure is similar in scope...that's what I'm getting at. Not the talent.
These are NIL Collective funds - they don't necessarily include individuals/entities who do NIL deals outside the collectives. An example would be Primetime's kids who were on tons of national commercials (Primetime has tons of media contracts - you think his relationships in that area had anything to do with his kids getting lucrative media gigs???). In any event, none of this would show up on Colorado's NIL Collectives $$$, but Colorado likely generates a $hit-ton of NIL $$$ outside their NIL Collectives.
In addition, duhO$U paid a large part of their starting lineup to stay and not go Pro (something they never would have done without the compensating payment to not go Pro), so how precisely is that not "purchasing a Championship"?
I read a report, I haven't verified it, that said of the 22 tOSU starters, only four were from Ohio. Ohio State is a national team for good or for bad. I know of at least six major starters that were one-year portal players.
Yeah, I'm not talking about geography and where the players are from. I'm talking about the core that Ryan recruited and have been there for at least 2-3 years. That's the vast majority of their impact players. I don't know why people want to diminish what they've done by by calling them simply a portal team. that's absolutely not true. it's why I appreciate james building our core from within and supplementing via the portal. This is the way I think it needs to be done.
Agree. it is now a multifront war. Recruit, develop, retain, portal, pay. And It is nationwide.
There are NO SOURCES. There's no official data on it. I don't understand why you can't comprehend that.
Interest in waning--it's insanely high--they just have to clean up things
Cal & UVa have the same chance now as they always had
Exactly. And I've seen a few 2025 preseason predictions that put PSU in the same boat as 2023 Michigan and 2024 OSU - PSU will be loaded and it's due to getting almost all of their stars to return and it won't be cheap. Both schools (OSU and UM) had the core of their rosters return for their NC runs. Michigan also paid out a ton of NIL to get their stars to return although it was never released
Right--and everyone should be doing that. If you win, you'll get more people to give you money to spend. I'm sure Colorado had plenty of money because of Prime. I don't understand the issue here--people just don't want to admit Ohio State is better than us. They are--and we're on a level playing field. We can spend just like they can
I think Ryan Day and James Franklin are very similar. They beat teams easily when they have more talent. However, in games where the talent is matched, or where the opponent has more talent ( admittedly not frequent with OSU) they coach tight and it translates to the players. You see it as they lose control running up and down the sidelines like idiots. They lose composure and I think it impacts the team. The difference is that Day has a higher talent bar than Franklin.
Both are very good coaches but I don’t think either is great. I would put Dado in the same category. Once Lawrence and his top notch d-line left, he couldn’t compensate for the talent gap closing.
I admit I underrated ND but Penn State still had more talent. Its talent didn’t perform at the level that ND’s did, so Penn State lost to an inferior team. OSU was more talented than ND and that compensated for Day.
Ultimately you need to coach like you expect to win big games, not hope to.
For northern teams whose populations have migrated out of state such as PA that is true. NE Ohio and NW PA used to be the biggest or one of the biggest CFB recruiting regions back in the 60s, 70s and into the 80s. That landscape has significantly changed. My old hometown in NE Ohio near the PA border has half the population it did in the 70s, and most of the people there now are old and retired. I got to see multiple players in HS become starters at major Div I schools and then play in the NFL. Those days are gone.
I don't believe anyone thinks Day is a great/elite coach but he has a title and owns Franklin.
Saban saying it doesn't make it fact
And citations are meaningless as we don't have real data
I agree but what surprised me is how ND was able to all of a sudden pass on OSU. I think Leonard threw for the most yards he has in the season. It is pretty clear that OSU just relaxed once up 31-7 and ND has talent so they got that TD and 2 pt conversion to get some momentum. Then OSU was ready to put them away and incredibly ND again gets the lucky turnover that seemed to stun OSU and breathe all this life into ND.
Additionally Day went super conservative on their penultimate drive after the ND missed field goal which was dumb as ND was selling out the run. I'm pretty sure if he had just run a normal offense then ND would not have been able to get the ball back so quickly and make it an 8 point lead. At least they finally figured out they needed to pass on that last drive. I wanted to see a bigger beatdown but at least ND lost and were clearly the inferior team.
Leonard made some great throws under pressure that I didn't think he had in him. The TE was hurt most of the season and Greathouse emerged against us as a weapon. ND's top RB only had three carries. Looked to me like they wanted to attack OSU's LBers and S via the pass. But had tOSU not taken their foot off the gas (protected the lead trying to run the ball) they could have scored as many points as they wanted. Both QBs played great games.
You do realize though their talent across the board was better than PSU this year? That is the difference along with our total inability to ever be able to make a clutch play vs them. Yes and before you say it I understand paying players via NIL is open to all teams equally but Rice is never going to have the money Texas has.
OSU recruits better than us and they also retained guys who should have gone to the NFL. Then got Judkins and Downs in the portal who are as good and better than anyone we have so their talent was better. If Franklin could ever win a big game and have his team mentally prepared to come through in the clutch then we should be able to beat them every once in a while (once every 3 or 4 years) because we are competitive with them on a talent basis but a notch below.
And Rice was never on an even playing field with Texas. They don't have the facilities, the conference ties, the coaches, the tradtion, etc. Nothing has changed. The same teams still have power. Find a rich football fan that's willing to spend 40M and then a low tier program can rise.
No one is asking for Franklin to beat them yearly...
Yeah he got the ball out just in the nic of time and was delivering the ball on the money. They would have easily beaten us if he played like that against us.
...and the refs were calling the muggings on the WRs last night as holding or PI.
Also, they called holding on ND offensive line. This is the first holding call on ND's DL the entire season!
Notre Dame was able to suddenly pass because the OSU offense went into hibernation, which in turn took the D there as well. When the offensive coaches and half the team lose that killer mentality, the rest of the team naturally follows along.
