Via Twitter While I wanted to see Nolf get some revenge, he should tear through the field to a title next year at 157 now
IMar to 165
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Yeah. . .I had hoped that Nolf would get IMar in the semis, where he had to keep his weight down more. Meeting him twice in the finals wasn't ideal, as IMar could balloon up a bit. But the path is wide open for Nolf now. I do think IMar was pulling a lot to make 157.
Did you just hear that noise?
That's the sound of the 157 pound bracket, becoming a whole bunch of victims.
I think IMAR to 165 helps PSU out quite a bit. It opens up 157 for Nolf, with not much in the way of opportunity for the other three big schools to take advantage. At 165, this will hurt tOSU the most, as they likely thought Bo Jordan could be a finalist. He still could be, but the margin for error is less than before. The young guns for OSU, Iowa, and PSU will likely be fighting for 3rd-6th.
Who else is seen as a potential finalist at 165. iMar, Wisky's Jordan, Bo Jordan (if he doesn't move up), who else?
Bo made an ill advised move in national finals. His style is just fine, and so is he. DT made an ill advised move during his freshman finals, and he turned out ok.
Cenzo, Logan Massa, and Missouri's Lewis will be a handful. VT's McFadden made a nice run at nationals, but I don't think he challenges Martinez.
Dylan Palacio wrestled 74 kg/163 lb freestyle for the Olympic trials, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him also move up to 165.
Dylan Palacio wrestled 74 kg/163 lb freestyle for the Olympic trials, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him also move up to 165.
Nolf was going to chew through the weight, IMAR or not. It does't help PSU because Nolf is going to be in the finals rgardless. It puts one more stud on the way of whoever goes 165 for PSU. I like IMAR.......became a fan this yea
IMAR was no fluke at B1G and nationals. With him out of the way, I feel better about getting that extra 4 points. At 165, if everyone drops a position due to IMAR, then no one gains or loses vis-a-vis each other. A static situation. So this move should be a +4 for PSU and only PSU.
I wanted to see Jason pass IMAR......so there is no debate about who is bettet
You and me both. I fear we've seen the last of these two on a college mat. We'll always have Jason's pin to blemish his record, and the memories of two great wrestlers in combat together.
The all star meet could help with that situation.
Maybe more than +4. Someone loses 4 points going from 1st to 2nd at 165. I have high hopes for Vincenzo, but 1st was a tough ask as a freshmen. For him you assume the move means -1. The person most likely to lose those 4 points from the contending teams would be BoJo. Add in the high likelihood that Nolf can major anybody at 157 getting another +1 and this move could be an +8 point swing on tOSU, our biggest threat next year. Does it make Marinelli's decision to not redshirt tougher? This move by Imar is very good news for PSU.
So far you are the only one with this viewpoint, not saying you are wrong, but in reality here, this helps us get 4 extra points. Most of the nation views this move as being better for PSU, than not.
How about this prediction? PSU with 2 undefeated National Champs (Nolf and Retherford) and finish 1 and 2 for the Hodge. Might be a long shot with IMar and Snyder in the mix but wouldn't that be sweet? Has that ever happened before?
Cox will end up in the top 2 with having 3 titles and an Olympic run. I think a dominate Zain with 2 will beat him. Only having 1 title so far was the biggest reason he took 2nd this year. I'd be shocked if Cox isn't top 2.
No, it doesn't work like that. When IMAR joins 165, and assuming he takes first, ALL other wrestlers drop a spot. Everyone loses about the same amount of points, so it is a wash. The only gain is for those at 157.
That isn't true. The difference from 1st to 2nd is 4 points. The difference from 3rd to 4th is 1 point. Everybody who wasn't 1st only drops 1 point, while the guy in 1st loses 4.
By your theory, Nolf gaining 4 would be washed out by everyone else at 157 gaining 4.
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Marinelli is tough....real tough. He has the drive and desire to be a great hawk but I think his ceiling is 6-8 AA but more likely blood round victim.
I also feel like Isaiah White gets forgotten in some of these convos. He will be a tough.
Zeke, White, Joseph, Lewis, McFadden, Massa, Valencia, Rogers will all have something to say. Also maybe Ramos drops down or Realbuto/Palacio slot in. I will also say that I think Marstellar will be much better at this weight next year. Should be a really fun weight to watch!
I'm gonna love watching BoJo and our Bo go at!
Since we're going deep with the bracketology/bonus gained in the finals...
Just like you are assuming the +4 at 157 for PSU while everyone else loses points at 165 to come up with net gains for PSU, wouldn't everyone else move up a spot on the podium at 157 (also assume the extra frontside win points).
And don't forget to factor in the loss of frontside points by whoever IMar knocks out earlier than would have been at 165. Then with the uncertainty of who tOSU/Iowa will have at 165 added to the additional uncertainty if BoJo passes his cousin and/or can beat Imar (Imar is moving up a weight while Bo is huge at the weight and one of the top returning guys) I'm not as sure tOSU/Iowa lose points at 165 as I am that PSU does.
At the highschool level he really was a bull but that strength will be quickly negated at the next level. I'd be surprised if he reached the podium. I think he'd be better served to redshirt.
The averages for top 4 are as follows at nationals:
1st______23.4
2nd______19.7
3rd______16.4
4th______15.0
So yes and no to your first paragraph.
As to your second paragraph, the difference between 157 and 165 is that 165 has more collective high end potential for PSU, OSU, tOSU, and Iowa. My assumption at 165 is that all of these guys get on the podium, therefore everyone loses points (as I said, more or less the same amount). At 157, you have Kemerer, Smith, and Ryan joining Nolf. Here, I am saying that other than Smith, I'm not sure the others make the podium next March, so that is a clear advantage to PSU.
I see where you are coming from, and I would agree if I thought everyone on the top 4 teams was going to place at nationals at those two weights. I don't.
blood round earns 3-5 points, while 7th/8th earns around 7 points. Top 5 at nationals is an important cutoff for me. Points can drop off quickly below that as most of your points come from bonus (ex: 0.5 pts for advance, 2 pts for pin)
Only if you value the guys on the other top contenders as podium bound. I do not. Ryan. Smith. Kemerer. Only one I'd pencil in today as podium bound is Smith. The other two may make it, but I wouldn't say that today.
Kemerer will make the podium, You underestimate him...He is legit!! He is not on Nolf level however, but only IMAR is
I would not be surprised if Kemerer gets 3rd
