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There is a reason the political parties start their primary elections in IOWA. They thrive on "challenged" voters, who caucus.
Seriously. But look at where the stats are from- the 'Department of cultural affairs' in Des Moines, Iowa. I'm not about to look up all those stats except for the one that says Iowa is one of only four states with two world-class research universities. By that I assume they mean Iowa and Iowa State. So, just off the top of my head-
1. PA- Penn, Penn St, Pitt
2. CA- UCLA, Stanford, Cal, USC
3. MI- Michigan, MSU
4. TX- Texas, Texas A&M
5. NC- UNC, Duke
6. MD- Johns Hopkins, Maryland
7. MA- MIT, Harvard
8. IL- Northwestern, Illinois, U Chicago
9. IN- Purdue, Indiana, Notre Dame (?)
10. NY- Columbia, NYU, Cornell, Syracuse (?)
This post was edited on 3/12 9:30 PM by psu00
1. PA- Penn, Penn St, Pitt
2. CA- UCLA, Stanford, Cal, USC
3. MI- Michigan, MSU
4. TX- Texas, Texas A&M
5. NC- UNC, Duke
6. MD- Johns Hopkins, Maryland
7. MA- MIT, Harvard
8. IL- Northwestern, Illinois, U Chicago
9. IN- Purdue, Indiana, Notre Dame (?)
10. NY- Columbia, NYU, Cornell, Syracuse (?)
This post was edited on 3/12 9:30 PM by psu00
Haha... Well... There's no reason Penn Staters need to look like completely ignorant boobs on these kinds of topics, is there?
Apparently something in the ballpark of those numbers has been in existence for a hundred years or more, back to maybe 1910 or so.
If so, perhaps we fellow Big Ten members should at least try to join the 20th Century level of information, if not the 21st Century, so we can look better informed.
Just some friendly "words to the wise" for fellow BWI posters...
This post was edited on 3/12 11:01 PM by T J
Guessing they are referring to the state's own funded public universities... i.e. State Research Universities.
There are of course, lots of really outstanding private universities around the US as you've noted, but great schools like the Ivies aren't State Universities, per say.
For example, for years PSU billed itself as not being a strictly "State" university, such as they are referencing.
PSU considered itself in a different category, that was more of a private school with some state funding. You know the situation and can apply the proper terms that were used.
As such, we know that PSU held the position that it didn't have to comply with many mandates that governed State institutions, like Salary disclosure. We know that that was challenged and the decision was that more disclosure was required by PSU. But, the example serves to show that even schools like PSU were specifically trying to distinguish themselves as not strictly being State universities, so to speak.
This post was edited on 3/12 11:07 PM by T J
Thought the OP's intent was humor. One of these High School athletes had better verbally commit soon. Even the intellectuals are suffering gas pains from a lack of red meat. Please accept that I don't hate vegetables, chicken, fish or the fine folks who provide them, nor do I think every football prospect in the Country is lazy and indecisive and make no assertion that red meat is healthy for all or can prevent gas. Yikes!
So your ultimate point is that Iowa has two wholly-state-funded universities that do research? Woopdee-f'in-doo.
I'll stick with the University of Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania State University, Carnegie Mellon, Swarthmore, Haverford, Lehigh, Bucknell and Lafayette.
I'll stick with the University of Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania State University, Carnegie Mellon, Swarthmore, Haverford, Lehigh, Bucknell and Lafayette.
No. It's was just an attempt to help clarify a statement that someone had mentioned, who had misinterpreted what was stated. Reading comprehension is your friend, when it's used...
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Since you asked about "the ultimate point" or points... refer to the original post. Or in summary...
The first post on the topic highlighted the reported extraordinarily high literacy rate in another Big Ten state that is the highest in the United States, their stunningly high number 93% of schools above the national average in academic achievement and the statistic showing that state has the highest rate of undergrad degrees in the US, per 100,000 people.
ie... Their education system is apparently producing educated individuals at or near the highest in the US at the high school and undergrad college level.
Information indicates that Big Ten state has apparently achieved that kind of high level of academic achievement for their population for what appears to be over 100 years. Those are academic achievements most reasonable people would consider to be notable and commendable academic achievements for their entire population... wouldn't you agree?
The fact that the state has also funded two successful Research Universities, when that is rare among states was a side point, but also worth noting, as it represents further very high commitment to funding academics, by the people of that state.
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Seems that PA and many other states... indeed the entire US population would be much better off if we had anything close to their high level of literacy and high level of undergrad degrees per 100,000 population... wouldn't you agree?
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That's all... It's a great story that should be appreciated... Especially by Penn Stater's who claim to promote "The Grand Experiment," were academic achievement and graduation is put first.
If so, we Penn Staters should applaud and appreciate an entire Big Ten state that has been "Walking the Walk" for over 100 years... wouldn't you agree?
This post was edited on 3/13 1:11 PM by T J
But then there was this, from a 2011 article about remarks by the US Secretary of Education...
And at a time when earning a degree is more and more critical to success, just one in four Iowans has a bachelorÕs degree. Of the 12 Midwestern states, Iowa has the fourth lowest percentage of people with a bachelorÕs degree.
Part of the explanation for IowaÕs below-average college attainment rate is that IowaÕs high schools are falling short of preparing most students to be truly career and college-ready.
Iowa now ranks in the bottom ten states in the percentage of seniors who take and pass an Advanced Placement course. And the ACT scores of college-bound students suggest that only three in ten high school graduates in Iowa are ready for post-secondary course work.
Numerous states have made their curriculum more rigorous in the last decade. But Iowa has one of the lowest enrollments of eighth graders in Algebra I or other higher-level math courses of any state in the country. Only Mississippi, North Dakota, and Louisiana have a lower percentage of eighth graders enrolled in higher-level math.
There's more, but I have linked the article.
Iowa's wake up call..
No. It's was just an attempt to help clarify a statement that someone had mentioned, who had misinterpreted what was stated.
WTF??? You must think I have all day to parse your bullshit.
Based on the posters above, it's clear that you came on here and gave us a bunch of misinformation, probably taken right from Bagdad Bob. Your schools such, you're a hick, and I don't like corn anymore.
WTF??? You must think I have all day to parse your bullshit.
Based on the posters above, it's clear that you came on here and gave us a bunch of misinformation, probably taken right from Bagdad Bob. Your schools such, you're a hick, and I don't like corn anymore.
WFT are you talking about? No parsing necessary. You just need to be logical and have a basic reading comprehension. Apparently not your strong suits?
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A) My original post in this thread had clear statements, provided by that state's .gov publication. Tis what it tis... if their documentation is still accurate.
B) Another poster had misinterpreted what was provided. My follow-up was an attempt to clarify that misinterpretation. Guessing that for most people with average reading comprehension, they "got it." Of course "your mileage may vary."
Okay... we get it. You've made your points...
You're not reading clearly.You are jumping to conclusions not supported by the available evidence.You made up illogical nonsense statements.
Your alternate world consciousness may be comforting to you, but it's not very relevant to reality.
None of this was necessary, if you'd just looked at the original information from the .gov site and not jumped to illogical conclusions.
Your choices, of course...
Cheers
This post was edited on 3/13 2:58 PM by T J
This thread was originally posted as a joke and has been taken way too seriously. 
With all respect, I didn't misinterpret anything. Your post said "Also, Iowa is 1 of 4 states in the nation with two world class research universities". The point is that was not true.......and therefore maybe the rest of the 'Iowa cultural center' statistics may not be on the up and up either. (You then tried to spin it as saying they meant public universities- but that was not what they said). Fairgambit has added to that discussion about the Iowa statistics.
In any event, this was supposed to be a joke post. No need to turn it into a mini war..
With all respect, I didn't misinterpret anything. Your post said "Also, Iowa is 1 of 4 states in the nation with two world class research universities". The point is that was not true.......and therefore maybe the rest of the 'Iowa cultural center' statistics may not be on the up and up either. (You then tried to spin it as saying they meant public universities- but that was not what they said). Fairgambit has added to that discussion about the Iowa statistics.
In any event, this was supposed to be a joke post. No need to turn it into a mini war.
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Thanks for the links fairgambit. It supports the basic notions of a long history of academic excellence.
That said, your information points to a decline in their ability to continue to lead the nation in student achievement. Appreciate the links.
It's a very unfortunate story, if the nation's highest achieving system got dismantled, to the detriment of the students.
From the report:
By 2009, Iowa's eighth graders had gone from the top of the pack in math on NAEP to having 15 states out-perform them.
Correlations remain that point to the decline in academic achievement after the take-over of the state's public schools by the teachers' unions, when the historically high academic standards and accountability for educators were essentially thrown out the window.
It's unfortunate if yet another longstanding tradition of academic excellence, going back decades, has been destroyed by special interest unions, whose mountains of regulations have harmed millions of children nation-wide for decades.
From a report...
This post was edited on 3/13 3:42 PM by T J
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That said, your information points to a decline in their ability to continue to lead the nation in student achievement. Appreciate the links.
It's a very unfortunate story, if the nation's highest achieving system got dismantled, to the detriment of the students.
From the report:
By 2009, Iowa's eighth graders had gone from the top of the pack in math on NAEP to having 15 states out-perform them.
Correlations remain that point to the decline in academic achievement after the take-over of the state's public schools by the teachers' unions, when the historically high academic standards and accountability for educators were essentially thrown out the window.
It's unfortunate if yet another longstanding tradition of academic excellence, going back decades, has been destroyed by special interest unions, whose mountains of regulations have harmed millions of children nation-wide for decades.
From a report...
This post was edited on 3/13 3:42 PM by T J
The point remains... The state has those universities. Already explained what the statement meant. It still stands, once you understand what was being said, with the definitions being used.Originally posted by psu00:
This thread was originally posted as a joke and has been taken way too seriously.
With all respect, I didn't misinterpret anything. Your post said "Also, Iowa is 1 of 4 states in the nation with two world class research universities". The point is that was not true.......and therefore maybe the rest of the 'Iowa cultural center' statistics may not be on the up and up either. (You then tried to spin it as saying they meant public universities- but that was not what they said). Fairgambit has added to that discussion about the Iowa statistics.
In any event, this was supposed to be a joke post. No need to turn it into a mini war.
It's not spin. It appears some things have changed since that information was put together. That's certainly a fair consideration, for sure.
My initial post was informational and the source was cited. It was not focused on the original post in the thread, which was light-hearted and funny.
However, it was a reply to the poster who made a comment that was not meant to be humorous and per historical information, was ill-informed. Given Penn State's focus on "The Grand Experiment" where academic achievement should be applauded and encouraged, it seems pretty Anti-PSU to be attacking the focus on academic achievement that PSU also worked hard to sustain and maintain.
It's funny seeing some posters who have to escalate things into attacks, for whatever reason, instead of just focusing on the information. Note that fairgambit provided additional information and it is welcomed and appreciated. Perhaps some other posters could take a lesson from his example?
Thanks for your comments...
You still aren't thinking clearly or logically and/or your reading comprehension appears to remain flawed.
The additional information documented that the original information was true at the time it was prepared and was apparently true for decades.
Having looked at Academic information over the years, IMHO it's important to appreciate those groups and areas where high academics is part of the culture.
It appears that the once proud tradition has been harmed, per fairgambit's info. It's not a surprise to see the negative impact of anti-education teachers' union regulations harming children nationwide.
It reminds of the story of Jaime Escalante, the school teacher in Los Angeles, whose successes were the focus of the very good movie, "Stand and Deliver."
That movie and subsequent history demonstrates that setting up education systems that are primarily focused on education can produce outstanding results.
Unfortunately int the Los Angeles situation, the teachers unions also fought against the many conditions that were creating the enormous success, that was among the top in the US. Instead of adopting the policies that worked, to help more children, they destroyed the system that created the extraordinarily high academic success.
Within a few years, the extraordinary success had evaporated, back into the depths of the teachers' union dominated regulations that crushed the factors that helped so many students achieve greatness.
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From a review:
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Unfortunately, there is a history of high academic achievement that has been harmed by the crushing force of anti-education union regulations, that are primarily designed to extract the maximum amount of funds from public schools, no matter how many millions of children are being harmed.
This post was edited on 3/13 4:59 PM by T J
Go ahead and watch your shows Pardlion.... Rational discussions, focused on the issues seem to be beyond you.
When you're ready to discuss the issues in an adult fashion, those of us focused on the high road of facts and data will be waiting for you, but not holding our breath, while you continue to lose your way.
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