Any truth to Cenzo transferring after this spring? He was recruited as a 149/157. There’s no way he ever makes 149 and anyway Retherford has 149 the next two years. Cenzo failed to make 157 twice so that may not even be an option and it looks like Nolf will be at 157 for at least another year. That leaves 165 for Cenzo where I’m hearing he can’t beat the three guys there now trying to secure this spot? No doubt Cenzo is a talent but I just don’t see him cracking the lineup anytime soon. Sure wish he would of made 157 for the scuffle as I think he’s as good as JoJo and probably an AA contender this year at 157. Maybe he bulks up and is a legit contender to be the guy at 165 next year for psu? Cenzo did wrestle 165 recently at the Millersville open. He smashed his way to the finals only to FF to teammate Hammond in the finals? Don’t see Cenzo not on a team starting for four years so maybe there is truth to the transfer?
Is Cenzo Transferring?
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I'm guessing his future is at 165. Shakur is skilled and strong but right now lacks the gas tank.
It seems like even the Iowa trolls were better back in the Gable era.
I'm prety sure that doesn't mean "WE ARE TRANSFERRING BABY."
I'm prety sure that doesn't mean "WE ARE TRANSFERRING BABY."
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These anonymous internet rumors much drive the athletes nuts. It's little wonder that coaches discourage their wrestlers from using social media.
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What is your obsession with Vincenzo? With all your negative posts on him (and I think they are your only posts here, but you have more than a few on the HR) why don't you just come out with it and say what the connection is?
I know you post a bunch of stuff on HR about Kemerer and Young, so you must have a kid at Young Guns or something.
I'd be more inclined to take credence in your posts if every single one of them wasn't something negative on Joseph over here. Some kind of agenda going on or what?
I sure hope he doesn't transfer. He's a hell of a talent. Just needs to find his way managing the collegiant life, academics, & athletics all together. Cael and company will mentor him. He'll be ok but I am curious as to where he'll fit in.
I hope Vincenzo stays around, but there's a reasonable chance he won't wrestle at any weight next year. Mark Hall will be still be in his 5 years of eligibility when the next Olympics roll around. I would think he would be tempted to save his redshirt/greyshirt for the year preceding the Olympics to focus on freestyle. I could be wrong, but I think it's a distinct possibility. He wrestled 163 in freestyle this summer so I would assume he'll slot in at 165 next year (presuming my theory is correct). If he did I don't see how Joseph gets a starting spot over him or Nolf.
Dice laid out the motivation for this thread.
Any rumor is probably found in a few guys at a youth tourney in western pa hearing the Nolf results and one guy says what about cenzo other guy says well he can't make 157 and other says I bet he can't beat the dudes at 165.....and a rumor is born.
There are several guys that post/read here w mouth to ears access to this situation if they don't report on it....then I doubt take top has that kind of thruthful access.
Any rumor is probably found in a few guys at a youth tourney in western pa hearing the Nolf results and one guy says what about cenzo other guy says well he can't make 157 and other says I bet he can't beat the dudes at 165.....and a rumor is born.
There are several guys that post/read here w mouth to ears access to this situation if they don't report on it....then I doubt take top has that kind of thruthful access.
The same Kemerer who would easily be top 4 at 157 and challenge Zain if he sucked down to 149? Or so I've heard
Nolf can stay at 157 and Joseph can wrestle Hammond and Morelli for the spot. I think he would win the spot. Given Cutch's injuries this year, Rasheed could bulk up to 184 and give it a shot there (along with Stout). Just think 165 is too much of a cut.
Cenzo is not going anywhere....Nolf will be moving up to 65 next year. He was having trouble making weight since he was not practicing everyday...Had a slight injury is what i was told....Don't be surprised if Resheed goes 84 next year..He is a lot bigger then Bo right now....
Yes....Tim or Tom please DELETE THIS POST...This guy is doing NOTHING but trying to stir up trouble and BS !!!! Thank you....
I love Rasheed. Guy is very athletic with all kinds of ability. No way he make 165 next year. He is struggling to finish matches now with the weight cut. Cost him yesterday. Nothing in the tank for the 3rd period. Have Rasheed hit the weights hard. I believe he is 6-2 so even wrestling at 184, he should still be lean. The question is can mighty mouse be a 197 pounder next year. I could even see Sheed go all the way up to 197, but that is a huge jump in 1 year.
I'm with John Doe. I think Nolf stays put at 157. I think Cenzo goes 165 and will battle for that spot. I'm thinking Hall Redshirts and after a year of maturing goes 174 w/ Nickal moving to 184 his Junior year to make room. What will be interesting is whether Nolf can maintain 157 for his career. If not then Cenzo might want to keep his weight in check if he's forced to pull a "Brody Grothus" and has to suck down a weight class. And even then his prize in doing so might mean having to beat out Manville. These are growing boys, hard to project where they will be. I may be totally wrong in how it all pans out but I'm certainly thanking the lord above the team has to figure out a way to get all this talent on the mat.
Worrying about having too many elite wrestlers is like worrying about having too much money.
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Well, there you have it. Stated as unequivocal, absolute fact. Apparently that question is now settled for good.
New to posting on this site (not new to reading). But I found the ignore button quicker than it took me to read this clowns post.
Thanks JD for your input. I am one that actually appreciates it. Any news on McCutcheon injury?? Thanks!
Don't think Tom will be deleting it any time soon...this was in response to the Va Tech rumor that was asked. BTW, I don't know if Taketop is an Iowa guy or not. We have quite a few posters like that. I do think he is from Western PA and dialed in with Young Guns, or at least knows a lot about their wrestlers.
Better than JoJo Smith (I believe this to be true), Jason's toughest match to date. Yet can not beat the three guys at 165?
They do teach logic. Couldn't hurt.
This is a false conflation. A Redshirt & Greyshirt are two different things and have two different effects on the eligibility clock. I'd expect others with more familiarity with the letters of the NCAA law to come round & clarify, confirm or rebuke me here, but I'll plod ahead & throw my spag against the wall first. The core tenet of the Eligibility Clock: Wrestlers have 5 years to wrestle 4 years of attached comp. Eligibility Clock Exceptions:
1. The clock doesn't have to start right away. By deferring enrollment at a qualifying institution (* admitted weakness here with my terms as these are being pulled from the memory of my ass), the Clock doesn't automatically begin until a year after HS. This is a Greyshirt. It's not something Mark Hall can save, but he can definitely use it, meaning the 2017 Tourney doesn't impact his 5 years to wrestle 4.
2. The clock can be temporarily halted for religious missions or military service. These don't have a catchy name like Greyshirt. Matt Brown and S. Quatch have both used these correctly.
3. The clock can be excepted by an Olympic Redshirt. If a wrestler meets certain qualifying criteria, he can skip a year of attached comp and avoid it affecting his 5 in 4 clock.
4. Built in to the Clock's 5 in 4 core tenet is the standard NCAA Redshirt, which allows you to practice and compete unattached while not affecting your 4yrs of attached comp elgibility.
So Mark Hall has a bunch of options that need not affect Vincenzo much. His PSU calendar could look like this:
2016 Tourney: HSSR. Not yet eligible for either a real NCAA clock or any of its exceptions.
2017 Tourney: Greyshirt. By not enrolling in PSU after graduating HS this 2016 May.
2018 Tourney: Redshirt. Enroll in PSU for fall 2017, practice & compete unattached.
2019 Tourney: RSFR. Compete attached for PSU
2020 Tourney: Olympic Redshirt. Meet the qualifying criteria, use this to stop his clock, try out for the 2020 Olympics
2021 Tourney: RSSO. Compete attached for PSU
2022 Tourney: RSJR. Compete attached for PSU
2023 Tourney: RSSR. Compete attached for PSU
In summary, Redshirt & Greyshirt should never be used on the internet in a __/__ fashion, as they improperly conflate both words' meanings. And, it's totally possible for Mark Hall to never compete for PSU at Natty's until 2019 and for him still be able to compete for PSU at 2023 Natty's.
In Vincenzo summary:
2016 Tourney. TRFR, Redshirting. Greyshirt & 2016 Oly RS are no longer available to stop his clock.
2017 Tourney. RSFR. Compete attached, or go on a mission or do the military thing to stop his clock. Could be on the bench or the starting lineup. Depends on his ability to beat our current 165s, it sounds.
2018 Tourney. RSSO. Compete attached or mission or military to stop his clock
2019 Tourney. RSJR. Compete attached or mission or military.
2020 Tourney. RSSR or Oly RS or mission or military.
2021 Tourney. RSSR (if Oly RS'd 2020)
Thank you for the comprehensive explanation, it was very informative. When I said "redshirt/greyshirt" I was merely alluding to some process by which he could take a year off wrestling for the team during his 5 year period of eligibility. I don't see Joseph going to a mission, however. I think he's likely to simply do a more traditional redshirt then wrestle for 4 consecutive seasons plan. Again, I could be wrong, but I don't know if he'll qualify for an Olympic Redshirt.
Great analysis, just curious how old will Mark Hall be in March of 2023? Seems like a long, long time.
i dont believe u can redshirt and olympic redshirt......maybe u can but i am not aware of this..i know the medical redshirt and redshirt are different and both can be used
this would mean in theory an athlete could be on schalship for 7 yrs? (med, olympic, and standard rs)...also is any athlete worth 6 full scholy yrs , let alone 7? ( i know there is a small chance of this 7 yrs scenario playing out) i doubt hall accepted anything less than a full ride, but its possible
this would mean in theory an athlete could be on schalship for 7 yrs? (med, olympic, and standard rs)...also is any athlete worth 6 full scholy yrs , let alone 7? ( i know there is a small chance of this 7 yrs scenario playing out) i doubt hall accepted anything less than a full ride, but its possible
Yes... You can use both.
(I think) An "Olympic Redshirt" is more of a pause button than a redshirt. An Olympic redshirt pauses your 5-year eligibility window for a year while training for the Olympics. The wrestler isn't enrolled in classes and doesn't work out with their collegiate team (officially). I believe the rules have changed within the past 10 years or so to make it harder to be eligible... There were little/no requirements previously.
"Athletics Activities Waiver" is the NCAA term for what is commonly called an Oly Redshirt, or Olympic Redshirt.
From USA Wrestling (even USA Wrestling calls it an Olympic Redshirt!!)...
There are four ways to qualify for an Olympic redshirt year
Only required to meet one criteria
1) Past National Team members (Top 3 from the World or
Olympic Team Trials)
2) Top 8 at the 2015 Senior World Team Trials
3) Top 3 at the 2015 NCAA Wrestling Championship or NCAA
Champion from a previous year AND top 2 from the 2015
University National Championships (must accomplish both)
4) Previous Junior or University World Medalist
From USA Wrestling (even USA Wrestling calls it an Olympic Redshirt!!)...
There are four ways to qualify for an Olympic redshirt year
Only required to meet one criteria
1) Past National Team members (Top 3 from the World or
Olympic Team Trials)
2) Top 8 at the 2015 Senior World Team Trials
3) Top 3 at the 2015 NCAA Wrestling Championship or NCAA
Champion from a previous year AND top 2 from the 2015
University National Championships (must accomplish both)
4) Previous Junior or University World Medalist
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An athlete can't be on scholarship for 7 years. Since not enrolled, no scholarship during greyshirt and I don't think an athlete is still on scholarship during olympic redshirt (could be wrong on that one).
