Is this game in danger of not being a sellout?

[heckmans]

This is a much bigger game than OSU. Who knows if we’ll ever get the chance to get a home playoff game again. Only 4 teams get it and how long will the home playoff games exist?

So you're thesis is that a home playoff could be a historical anomaly and therefore the world should drop everything to attend? I can say quite confidently, that if this is the only home playoff game PSU ever hosts, I'll feel just fine having not experienced this blip in the NCAAs malfeasance of handling CFB. I have experienced being frozen in Beaver Stadium during the last game of the season against MSU, so I've checked that off my bucket list.

And FTR, when the playoffs expand, there will be more home playoff game opportunities. They aren't going away as long as there is a playoff. And in the future, it's more likely that there would be 2 rounds of home games, vs none due to excessive fan travel fatigue.
In the end, if PSU makes the playoff field most years, do you think there will be a higher percentage of people that prioritize spending $$ for playoff games, or prioritize spending the money to attend 7 home games that lose some relevance on a weekly basis since a couple losses don't end your season? Your entire position is not logically defensible.

I’m more excited about playing SMU than Bama. More likely to win which is all I really care about in the playoff. Not going to the quarterfinals bc it’s Boise? Please

Here again, your position defies logic. SMU is not a marquee name. It has less appeal than Alabama, whether you like it or not. Further, PSU has a home game and is favored. If PSU performs as expected, it's a win and there is a better game to potentially travel to. If PSU loses, the season is over and you will have spent thousands of dollars to sit in the cold for a loss. That you can't understand why people would NOT prioritize attending this game on it's own merit, let alone the last weekend before Christmas, speaks volumes about why we shouldn't bother arguing with you on this, or probably anything. Again, your position is not logically defensible.

 

[PurposePitch]

I want to win a National Championship.

You should start training then.

Unless you're trying to win a National Championship in "grown man acting like a 12-year-old" ... then you have it in the bag.

 

[Jerry]

They're no better than Illinois

Lando, on a neutral field, Vegas has SMU as a significant favorite over Illinois.

I don't agree with most of Wrestling's posts in this thread on the subject of attending the game -- can't rule out it's a masterful troll job on his part -- but I totally agree with him that the objective is to win...and therefore I'd rather play the team we have the best chance to win against...not the team that would give us a more glamorous match-up.

Weather is going to be a factor. I tend to think it favors us. On the other hand, challenging weather can be an equalizer. So we'll see.

The various weather services are converging to produce a forecast for very cold weather with a wind chill in the teens and a 10-15 mph NW breeze. Actually that's a lot like the Ohio State-Michigan game. The favorite didn't do so well in that one. However, Michigan is a cold-weather team. SMU is not.

 

[LandoComando]

Lando, on a neutral field, Vegas has SMU as a significant favorite over Illinois.

I don't agree with most of Wrestling's posts in this thread on the subject of attending the game -- can't rule out it's a masterful troll job on his part -- but I totally agree with him that the objective is to win...and therefore I'd rather play the team we have the best chance to win against...not the team that would give us a more glamorous match-up.

Weather is going to be a factor. I tend to think it favors us. On the other hand, challenging weather can be an equalizer. So we'll see.

The various weather services are converging to produce a forecast for very cold weather with a wind chill in the teens and a 10-15 mph NW breeze. Actually that's a lot like the Ohio State-Michigan game. The favorite didn't do so well in that one. However, Michigan is a cold-weather team. SMU is not.

They aren't a "significant favorite". Unless we define that word differently.

We all want to play the lesser team but the lesser team also means less people willing to pay thousands to attend

I'm not worried about the weather. I'd love our offense to be playing in 70 degree temps with no win so Warren could put up 200

 

[lazydave841]

They aren't a "significant favorite"

on a neutral field, Vegas has SMU as a significant favorite over Illinois.

Sagarin has it at SMU -7.

Anywhere to look and see hypothetical lines?

 

[bdroc]

Biggest PSU game in 38 years but it’s too cold for them.

You think fans should go to the BiG championship game, the home playoff game, and the Fiesta Bowl game? You think students should stay past their finals? Fvck family, Christmas, cost, and weather?

 

[Ian]

I don’t see how some of you go 38 years watching every single game or almost every single game hoping Penn State can make it to a playoff or National Championship game. We finally make it again after 38 seasons and you won’t go bc it’s too cold/may snow.

For what all us fans have gone through during these years from the dark years of the early 2000’s to the Sanctions starting in 2012.

The 1994 season not even getting to play a true national championship game leading to Nebraska crowned as National Champion.

Or the Minnesota Hail Mary play to beat us in ‘99.

The refs screwing us in the 2005 season vs Michigan or we may be in the National Championship game.

Losing a devastating late season game to Iowa on a walk-off fg in 2008 or we may be in a national championship game.

2017 losing just a devastating blown game vs OSU and then a walk off fg vs MSU.

Maybe your just a casual fan and don’t care if we win or lose but for me, being born in ‘87 this is the biggest PSU game in my lifetime and it would take a whole hell of a lot to miss in Beaver stadium.

Not to mention the bloody CoVid yrs of 2020 and 21…

 

[RickinDayton]

I just watched the second half of SMU vs Clemson. SMU controlled the second half and by all rights should have won the game. The passed for 304 yds, ran for 154 yds, and held Clemson to 64 yds rushing. They're the 12th ranked team in the country for a reason.

This is a game PSU should win at home but they have to bring their A game. We can't afford to have any of our key players be looking forward to the NFL draft.

Also, no turnovers at key moments, knock off the unnecessary major penalties, and defense exercise positional discipline (a must given their QBs abilities & speed).

 

[mgkpsu]

Lando, on a neutral field, Vegas has SMU as a significant favorite over Illinois.

I don't agree with most of Wrestling's posts in this thread on the subject of attending the game -- can't rule out it's a masterful troll job on his part -- but I totally agree with him that the objective is to win...and therefore I'd rather play the team we have the best chance to win against...not the team that would give us a more glamorous match-up.

Weather is going to be a factor. I tend to think it favors us. On the other hand, challenging weather can be an equalizer. So we'll see.

The various weather services are converging to produce a forecast for very cold weather with a wind chill in the teens and a 10-15 mph NW breeze. Actually that's a lot like the Ohio State-Michigan game. The favorite didn't do so well in that one. However, Michigan is a cold-weather team. SMU is not.

So 8.5 is "roughly a touchdown", when it's convenient for the silly argument you are trying to make, and 7 is "significant" when you're trying to make a different silly argument. Congratulations on being the biggest hand wringer on the board this week!

 

[Jerry]

Sagarin has it at SMU -7.

Anywhere to look and see hypothetical lines?

Dave, I think a hypothetical line of a hypothetical match-up like this is too far down in the grass for Vegas to compute.

That said, Sagarin's -7 seems pretty significant...roughly as significant as our current odds over SMU.

But Sagarin and Vegas don't track very well. Personally, I'd make the actual betting line for SMU-Illinois north of 7 in the Mustangs favor as things stand today. Then again, I'm just spitballing it.

 

[Jerry]

So 8.5 is "roughly a touchdown", when it's convenient for the silly argument you are trying to make, and 7 is "significant" when you're trying to make a different silly argument. Congratulations on being the biggest hand wringer on the board this week!

Dude, chill. My point was (and is) that we're favored to win and rightly so. But SMU is a good team and this game is not a gimme. What part of that do you fail to understand?

In fact, I'd be telling SMU the same thing in a hypothetical match-up with Illinois.

Look up Alabama-Oklahoma or Ohio State-Michigan for reference.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

You think fans should go to the BiG championship game, the home playoff game, and the Fiesta Bowl game? You think students should stay past their finals? Fvck family, Christmas, cost, and weather?

Any true fan needs to go to Beaver Stadium on Dec.21.

 

[lazydave841]

Dave, I think a hypothetical line of a hypothetical match-up like this is too far down in the grass for Vegas to compute.

That said, Sagarin's -7 seems pretty significant...roughly as significant as our current odds over SMU.

But Sagarin and Vegas don't track very well. Personally, I'd make the actual betting line for SMU-Illinois north of 7 in the Mustangs favor as things stand today. Then again, I'm just spitballing it.

The books will do it, but you have to know somebody who works for one of them. Dk, Fanduel, etc. They use the same thing as Sag, they just calculate it different.

Sag would have us as -3 on neutral field vs SMU. Home field is typically -3 bump. White Out (-1 for day time perhaps), weather (-1 to -1.5), he's essentially in line with the opening point spread.

 

[LandoComando]

Dude, chill. My point was (and is) that we're favored to win and rightly so. But SMU is a good team and this game is not a gimme. What part of that do you fail to understand?

In fact, I'd be telling SMU the same thing in a hypothetical match-up with Illinois.

Look up Alabama-Oklahoma or Ohio State-Michigan for reference.

You keep saying "gimme" game--if we play decently we win
Yes, if we shit the bed like Bama or OSU we lose
THAT'S THAT THE EXPECTATION
Why does this board hate pressure? We have EXPECTED to win our next two games--period.
I'd bet heavily on Illinois -7.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

 

[jschrantz]

Any true fan needs to go to Beaver Stadium on Dec.21.

People with jobs go to game vs SMU, people with careers go to Fiesta Bowl bud , it’s that simple , I’ll take A #4 with fries

 

[heckmans]

Any true fan needs to go to Beaver Stadium on Dec.21.

How do you define "true fan?" Is it someone that posts on an internet message board?

 

[joeaubie21]

Do a PiT. Eat lots of hard boiled eggs, drink nothing but beer for days.

Fart.

You can go and sit wherever you want.

 

[NoBareFeet]

I also hate the bye week despite loving Army/Navy

Confused. According to your standards, Army/Navy is a meaningless game because neither team will advance to the playoff, and therefore guys should be opting out?

 

[PurposePitch]

Any true fan needs to go to Beaver Stadium on Dec.21.

Anyone who uses the term "true fan" needs to be sequestered from civilized society.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Anyone who uses the term "true fan" needs to be sequestered from civilized society.

Ok what term would u like me to call u? They/Them?

 

[LandoComando]

Confused. According to your standards, Army/Navy is a meaningless game because neither team will advance to the playoff, and therefore guys should be opting out?

Regular season games are meaningless...which I've explained 900 times

 

[PurposePitch]

Ok what term would u like me to call u? They/Them?

Sane. Not retarded.

But, seriously ... you actually can't tell how immature and just plain douchey you're acting? If you're not a kid, your emotional development stunted at a pre-teen level. Stop subjecting the board to it.

 

[Jerry]

You keep saying "gimme" game--if we play decently we win
Yes, if we shit the bed like Bama or OSU we lose
THAT'S THAT THE EXPECTATION
Why does this board hate pressure? We have EXPECTED to win our next two games--period.
I'd bet heavily on Illinois -7.

I don't think you'd get SMU -7 versus Illinois on a neutral field but if that were the spread, I'd be all in on SMU.

 

[LandoComando]

I don't think you'd get SMU -7 versus Illinois on a neutral field but if that were the spread, I'd be all in on SMU.

Mistake. Huge mistake lol

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Mistake. Huge mistake lol

SMU would be around -3 to -3.5

 

[Jerry]

Mistake. Huge mistake lol

Well I guess we'll never know.

Meanwhile, 15th-ranked South Carolina is a 9.5-point favorite over Illinois on a neutral field in their bowl match-up.

10th-ranked SMU would probably be at least that number against the Illini.

Speaking of mistakes, some of you people are dissing SMU big-time.

 

[psu_2001]

So you're thesis is that a home playoff could be a historical anomaly and therefore the world should drop everything to attend? I can say quite confidently, that if this is the only home playoff game PSU ever hosts, I'll feel just fine having not experienced this blip in the NCAAs malfeasance of handling CFB. I have experienced being frozen in Beaver Stadium during the last game of the season against MSU, so I've checked that off my bucket list.

And FTR, when the playoffs expand, there will be more home playoff game opportunities. They aren't going away as long as there is a playoff. And in the future, it's more likely that there would be 2 rounds of home games, vs none due to excessive fan travel fatigue.
In the end, if PSU makes the playoff field most years, do you think there will be a higher percentage of people that prioritize spending $$ for playoff games, or prioritize spending the money to attend 7 home games that lose some relevance on a weekly basis since a couple losses don't end your season? Your entire position is not logically defensible.


Here again, your position defies logic. SMU is not a marquee name. It has less appeal than Alabama, whether you like it or not. Further, PSU has a home game and is favored. If PSU performs as expected, it's a win and there is a better game to potentially travel to. If PSU loses, the season is over and you will have spent thousands of dollars to sit in the cold for a loss. That you can't understand why people would NOT prioritize attending this game on it's own merit, let alone the last weekend before Christmas, speaks volumes about why we shouldn't bother arguing with you on this, or probably anything. Again, your position is not logically defensible.

Yes i am holding for going to Miami. Its a gamble but i think we make it there

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Yes i am holding for going to Miami. Its a gamble but i think we make it there

I’ll be there

 

[LandoComando]

Well I guess we'll never know.

Meanwhile, 15th-ranked South Carolina is a 9.5-point favorite over Illinois on a neutral field in their bowl match-up.

10th-ranked SMU would probably be at least that number against the Illini.

Speaking of mistakes, some of you people are dissing SMU big-time.

South Carolina is better than SMU

 

[ryoder1]

Well I guess we'll never know.

Meanwhile, 15th-ranked South Carolina is a 9.5-point favorite over Illinois on a neutral field in their bowl match-up.

10th-ranked SMU would probably be at least that number against the Illini.

Speaking of mistakes, some of you people are dissing SMU big-time.

I am not dissing SMU and agree they are a good team. Where they would fall in the B10 pecking order? Not sure. Certainly below Penn State. Probably Illinois level but if they played a B10 schedule I think they would lose to the top teams and probably lose to a Washington or even a USC or a Minny or Illinois in a road game.

I think we can assert our dominance on both sides of the line of scrimmage, in the trenches. I think we should be able to run on them and hopefully the success we saw versus Oregon was not a one hit wonder and we will continue to be strong. If we can run then that opens up the whole playbook. Singleton out of the backfield, Warren going hog wild and even Evans getting open deep.

On defense the key is us getting some pressure on their QB but being smart and disciplined about it by not letting him get the edge. Ideally DDS has an impact and on the inside hoping Durant's speed is an issue for them. We can have Carter spy on their QB, Jennings. Basically if we can control their QB and pressure him then their whole offense is compromised.

 

[KCLion]

Well I guess we'll never know.

Meanwhile, 15th-ranked South Carolina is a 9.5-point favorite over Illinois on a neutral field in their bowl match-up.

10th-ranked SMU would probably be at least that number against the Illini.

Speaking of mistakes, some of you people are dissing SMU big-time.

Is that the South Carolina team that just beat Clemson . . . .

 

[Nostraduzzi]

Confused. According to your standards, Army/Navy is a meaningless game because neither team will advance to the playoff, and therefore guys should be opting out?

Loado de la Commodo makes things up as he goes.

 

[lazydave841]

Sag would have SMU a -1 pt favorite on a neutral field today vs South Carolina.

If Vegas posted that, I think heavy money would flow to SC.

Remember, we were a 20+ pt favorite vs Illinois.

SMU was a -3.5 favorite vs Clemson I believe.

 

[RickinDayton]

People with jobs go to game vs SMU, people with careers go to Fiesta Bowl bud , it’s that simple , I’ll take A #4 with fries

A condescending statement.

 

[LandoComando]

A condescending statement.

That was the intent though based on the absurdity of this thread

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

A condescending statement.

They’re too good for Beaver Stadium

 

[Kasparaitis]

They’re too good for Beaver Stadium

The Penn State administration has been milking the fan base since they chloroformed Coach Paterno. You should have a little more pride in yourself.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

The Penn State administration has been milking the fan base since they chloroformed Coach Paterno. You should have a little more pride in yourself.

Then get off this board if you don’t support the program

 

[Kasparaitis]

Then get off this board if you don’t support the program

It’s a free country. Or at least it was four years ago. I’ll do whatever I damn well please and you have absolutely nothing to say about it. I don’t support the program any longer because it’s run by corrupt grifters and I’m not a chump.