What always happens in any thread that has something to do with coaching. You know.
It's official: Trautwein to PSU as OL Coach
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No. New coaches are guarnteed to be better than the old ones. Aren't they?O.K. We’ve had nearly 18 hours to RUMINATE.over Trautwine. Can we all agree that this was disastrous hire?
At first I didn't understand why so many true freshman were getting reps at critical junctures in the game. With experience, Wilson, Ellis, Porter along with Donovan Johnson, Trent Gordon and a healthy Castro-Fields...will hopefully tighten things up. I don't know about safety. Wade hits like a truck, but I can't tout his coverage skills. Brisker, isn't a ball hawk, did anyone see CJ Holmes get any time? Sutherland?Perhaps we get a gem in Enzo Jennings?
Joe farted 11 wins when they only played 11 games.
A good 11 win season ought to include a playoff birth or a win against a top 10 opponent. Otherwise it is little different than BYU under Edwards
They have the talent. Franklin does a good job adjusting when he sees a weakness. They have recruited length and ball skills which have been lacking for a while. My expectation is that we are going to see a lot of Wilson, Porter and Ellis next year.
Keep holding your breath for a "playoff birth."
I'm gonna enjoy 9, 10 and 11 win seasons. Its a privilege denied to most fan bases. Nebraska's fan base, USC's fan base etc. are all gonna be elite too.
Not enough $ goes into research to cure stupid.
You can do both you know and that is the goal of the HC as it should be. You can enjoy the 9-11 win seasons and still hope for more than that. Our HC was making coaching changes after an 11 win season so apparently he expects more too....and that isn't a bad thing.
Yawn thats all you can come up with?-- respond when you actually remember what you have said in the past else you might be the one drinking
You are literally just as bad as everyone you are complaining about (incessantly), in reverse. Every single thing you say attacking people, you are guilty of yourself. STFU already.
Please stop quoting him. He has shown he can not engage in rational debate. When you quote him it negates putting him on ignore to avoid his constant spamming of every thread and irritates everyone. He is just arguing to “be right.” Let him get the last word. It’s irrelevant. Thank you.
Much of this thread reminds me of the Abuse/Argument/Contradiction skit from Monty Python. Only without any comedic value.
Only on this message board does a poster get attacked for defending the coach after an 11-2 season....amazing.
Apparently it’s make the playoffs or get fired....anything else results in a useless bowl no one wants to be in.
I do think that is the case for some. Far too many posters on here ran down the Cotton Bowl as a meaningless bowl game. Obviously, the team didn't take that approach. They were well prepared, played hard, seemed to really enjoy the game and IMHO the momentum from that win will serve them well in 2020.
Nobody here is required to be cheerleaders for the coaches now or in the future.
These guys make a ton of money and a high-level assistant is not a guaranteed job for life. Maybe it was under Paterno but not in this day and age and not if you want to compete at the level Penn State and Franklin want to compete.
If the offense has top 15 talent but delivers top 60 performance, there's no rule that says we have to give the offensive coordinator a pat on the back year after year and blame the players. Put the responsibility where it belongs and move on.
That said, I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with these coaches in December because they've demonstrated a very high level of success in their immediate past positions and they're on their way up in the profession, not their way down.
And also because the change to Ciarrocca is not a radical change in scheme or concepts.
These hires are not a stretch. It's not like promoting a smart Ivy League guy and hoping he can learn how to be an OC on the job.
These were expensive hires. We have an idea how much Ciarrocca probably required and Trautwein is a blue chip hire as well so I suspect he will be very well paid. Penn State never had the budget to make assistant coach hires like this before, so credit Franklin and Sandy and the PSU administration for freeing up the money.
These guys make a ton of money and a high-level assistant is not a guaranteed job for life. Maybe it was under Paterno but not in this day and age and not if you want to compete at the level Penn State and Franklin want to compete.
If the offense has top 15 talent but delivers top 60 performance, there's no rule that says we have to give the offensive coordinator a pat on the back year after year and blame the players. Put the responsibility where it belongs and move on.
That said, I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with these coaches in December because they've demonstrated a very high level of success in their immediate past positions and they're on their way up in the profession, not their way down.
And also because the change to Ciarrocca is not a radical change in scheme or concepts.
These hires are not a stretch. It's not like promoting a smart Ivy League guy and hoping he can learn how to be an OC on the job.
These were expensive hires. We have an idea how much Ciarrocca probably required and Trautwein is a blue chip hire as well so I suspect he will be very well paid. Penn State never had the budget to make assistant coach hires like this before, so credit Franklin and Sandy and the PSU administration for freeing up the money.
Yes, you did. But keep on replying nonsensically, you simply can't help yourself. You are one of about 6 people here that have that affliction. Argumentative to a fault, never can admit when you are clearly wrong.
It’s a direct offshoot of the CJF good/bad schism. Comes with the territory, I guess. It can’t be wished away so best to simply try to not let it bother you.
Speaking of the value of expensive hires.....I say Jim Harbaugh.
As a chronic condition, stupid can only be managed, not cured. No doubt, novel treatments are still needed!
Exactly this...there’s just two people who hijack every thread being difficult. I don’t want to advertise for someone else here but there’s a podcast that these two need to listen to if they don’t believe CJF was making upgrades to his staff, yes even at 11-2.
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Except the 31 years he did NOT win 11 games..
His winning % was .750 which we exceeded.
Give us YOUR metric for success.
Average of 9-3 for his career. Which posters on this board describe as mediocre and unacceptable
I'm not a "cheerleader" for the coaches because its "required." Why is disagreeing with the incessant, uninformed, and reactionary verbal abuse of coaches deemed as being difficult? Because I don't agree with the mob? LOL Fanboys who do nothing but call for coaching changes and insist that any hire will bring PSU to the land of milk and honey are merely acting like petulant children. Post after post that minimizes the accomplishments of a great season that included 11 wins, a NY6 Bowl victory and a likely top ten finish......insisting that we can/must do better. Who, pray tell is being unrealistic and difficult? Put me on ignore and then all the "we deserve better, we are elite fanboys" can all participate in an unobstructed, undisputed circle jerk of coaching criticisms.
From the PSU press release (link):
Trautwein guided all five of his starting offensive linemen to 2019 All-ACC honors in John Phillips (first), Zion Johnson (second), Ben Petrula (second), Alex Lindstrom (third) and Tyler Vrabel (honorable mention).
The Eagles allowed just 11 sacks in 2019, which was the third-fewest in FBS, and 57 tackles for loss, which was 13th in FBS.
In addition, BC averaged 267.8 rushing yards per game to rank fifth in FBS in rushing offense.
According to ESPN's Bill Connelly, Boston College was first in FBS in blitz down sack rate and third in power success rate (percentage of runs on third or fourth down with 2 yards or less to go that achieved a first down or touchdown) in 2019.
SportSource Analytics also rated the Eagles sixth in offensive line efficiency this season.
The Eagles allowed just 11 sacks in 2019, which was the third-fewest in FBS, and 57 tackles for loss, which was 13th in FBS.
In addition, BC averaged 267.8 rushing yards per game to rank fifth in FBS in rushing offense.
According to ESPN's Bill Connelly, Boston College was first in FBS in blitz down sack rate and third in power success rate (percentage of runs on third or fourth down with 2 yards or less to go that achieved a first down or touchdown) in 2019.
SportSource Analytics also rated the Eagles sixth in offensive line efficiency this season.
Nice try at getting the thread back to it's origins, but with 80% of the thread dedicated to bickering the odds are against you....
I don't know that there were or are such "fanboys" I think it was more a matter of supporting the coaches we have- as I hope we will all do going forward.
I hope so, but I doubt it.
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