J'Den Cox missed weight, will not compete
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We do not know, we assume he missed weight first time, worked out then missed the cut off for last weigh in. But it is all assumption other than the USA wrestling release saying he missed weight.
Just make weight on time like everyone else. Don’t play games and wait until the last second. You know he will get a special wrestle off with no explanation as to why.
Might want to start lifting upper body -- legs already strong from jumping to conclusions.
You still mad about Amine? USA wrestling is a joke. So many examples in the past. If this was DT I’m sure you’d be so understanding.Might want to start lifting upper body -- legs already strong from jumping to conclusions.
Wont happen, he’s not sitting in the finals.Its a done deal if they wrestle the semis tonight without him.
Never was mad about Amine. You still mad about Noah Adams?
The bottom line is that you don't know the problem, but you sure do know the solution.
He says that Kevin Jackson told him the wrong times for weigh ins? If true, that is just absolutely insane...
But he also coached others that all made weight....
I know, right. USA Wrestling has got to stop making people miss weight and ensuring we send inferior competitors to represent us at the Olympics!
And it's high time they come clean and admit that Andre the Giant, Elvis, and Jimmy Hoffa are alive and well and partying hard in the hollow core of the earth.
And then they told Coach Jackson the weigh ins were an hour later but then secretly told all the other wrestlers he coaches the actual weigh in times, yet swore them to secrecy. So none of them told J’Den because he is on double secret probation!
Jackson is hoping to take the blame, so they will break the rules and let Cox compete. Maybe in three years he can try again. You can't let people weigh in late. Why have rules at all if we can't enforce them.
I think I can speak for tens of thousands of former and current wrestlers... if you don’t make weight you don’t wrestle! I’ve seen this 100s of times as a wrestler and later official in each and every instance make weigh on time, move up if allowed, or they sit in the stands.
Rumors amuck. One is that he got off the scale and the scale display showed up seconds after the time limit. Reported by a Snyder coach? Of course just one of the many rumors... sucks regardless
I heard Daton Fix’s dad wrote the wrong time on his carton of milkshake, but J’Den read it and assumed it was the correct time.
Yeah, well, you don't weigh in, you don't wrestle.
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Call me crazy but isn’t making weight by the official weigh-in time of a tournament the very first absolute of wrestling? It’s not an unwritten rule, or a gentleman’s agreement, right? I’ve never once heard of there being wiggle room on that subject. Not at Ironman, not at The Scuffle, not at the Clark Griswald youth holiday tournament. Never once. I’m reading shade being thrown at Cael on Twitter because J’Den missed weight... what in the actual F? It really is a sad story, but it’s J’Den’s story, nobody else’s. He missed weight. The end.
The lesson for all coaches and athletes is to have multiple people independently check all such details. Redundancy, good. Catastrophic single point of failure, bad.
First time in his life J'den couldn't sweat off 5 pounds in 6 minutes.
Can't find anything that notes the consequences of missing the weigh-in time. Below is the reference to 30 minutes that I heard several times during the coverage yesterday. Appears to be a go/no-go rule, i.e. show up within the time period and weigh in and all is good, show up late (which is what I'm hearing is the situation here) and you're out of the tourney -- no exceptions? I expected more in the rulebook.
All Senior, UWW Cadet, UWW Junior and U23 events have adopted a two-day weigh-in format. The first weigh-in will occur the morning of the first day of competition and shall last 30 minutes; all athletes must attain scratch weight. The second weigh-in will occur the morning of the second day of competition and will only involve the competitors still active in the weight category; this weigh-in shall only last for 15 minutes, unless otherwise noted. Athletes must attain scratch weight for the second weigh-in.
All Senior, UWW Cadet, UWW Junior and U23 events have adopted a two-day weigh-in format. The first weigh-in will occur the morning of the first day of competition and shall last 30 minutes; all athletes must attain scratch weight. The second weigh-in will occur the morning of the second day of competition and will only involve the competitors still active in the weight category; this weigh-in shall only last for 15 minutes, unless otherwise noted. Athletes must attain scratch weight for the second weigh-in.
My thoughts exactly, I want it in writing or I want it from at least 2 sources verbally if it is something that important.
Dont be mocking the CG Holiday Tourney!! My son took third in that tourney,and he was 9 wrestling mostly against 10 year olds!
It's an unfortunate situation and i don't know all the details but if he didn't make weight on time then it is what it is. Likewise at the Olympics, if you don't make weight on time it would result in a similar outcome. Lesson being make sure your weight is good well before weigh ins and you won't have this problem.
J'Den is a fantastic wrestler and an even better human being. His story of his battles against mental health is truly inspirational and his willingness to speak on it is very courageous for a person in his profile. Despite planning to root for Snyder (for obvious reasons), I did have J'Den winning (think he's looked better as of late) and absolutely believed he was winning a gold or silver medal. I plan to root for J'Den in wrestling and whatever he chooses to do the rest of his life. All of that is how I feel about J'Den Cox.
But he didn't weigh in on time (that's missing weight no matter how you want to spin it), he can't wrestle. That's all there is to it. It's unfortunate and I feel terribly for him. Maybe it wasn't even his fault but it doesn't matter, someone else has won the challenge tournament (Kollin Moore) and the best of 3 with Snyder will determine our rep and to give J'Den a wrestleoff later is wrong. I doubt it'll happen if they didn't even let him wrestle the semis yesterday.
If we want to open this can of worms, we should have given DT a bye to the finals this year right? I mean he did win a world gold in 2018 and he missed 2019 because he got injured. That isn't his fault and we DO want to send our best team right? Or is that unfair since we have procedures in place that said we HAD a rep in 2019, DT has to re-earn his spot.
But he didn't weigh in on time (that's missing weight no matter how you want to spin it), he can't wrestle. That's all there is to it. It's unfortunate and I feel terribly for him. Maybe it wasn't even his fault but it doesn't matter, someone else has won the challenge tournament (Kollin Moore) and the best of 3 with Snyder will determine our rep and to give J'Den a wrestleoff later is wrong. I doubt it'll happen if they didn't even let him wrestle the semis yesterday.
If we want to open this can of worms, we should have given DT a bye to the finals this year right? I mean he did win a world gold in 2018 and he missed 2019 because he got injured. That isn't his fault and we DO want to send our best team right? Or is that unfair since we have procedures in place that said we HAD a rep in 2019, DT has to re-earn his spot.
The "tough sh**"" approach is stupid. The goal is winning the Olympics, not the exact timing of a weigh-in.
However there should be consequences. And it needs to be fair to guys who did everything right.
Possible solution: if you miss weight, you must weigh in while on deck for every match -- including each match of the best of 3 finals.
This is a real physical (and mental) penalty, while still allowing on the mat qualification.
However there should be consequences. And it needs to be fair to guys who did everything right.
Possible solution: if you miss weight, you must weigh in while on deck for every match -- including each match of the best of 3 finals.
This is a real physical (and mental) penalty, while still allowing on the mat qualification.
Cael is really in their heads. I mean he's been in their heads since he took over at ISU, but 4-for-4 and overshadowing their lone championship this decade has likely amped it up.
Oh its getting to a new level. Rby is admitting to cheating because he drinks caffeine, Kerk is obviously on roids because he beat Mason, and the old trusted David got bigger so he's doping. There are some good guys over there but it is going off the deep end.
Was going to post on the cesspool about how they’ve become the luaghing stock of the wrestling forums, from one of the most knowledgeable group to a bunch of sorry ass posters who cry out excuses and try to tear down other wrestlers and coaches. But when they’re that far gone best to just sit back and enjoy them tear themselves down. I wouldn’t want my kid going there.
Your solution seems like a lot of effort to fix a "problem" that doesn't apparently exist for 99% of wrestlers. If you just consistently enforce the straightforward rule the exceptions tend to take care of themselves.
If Swain hadn't just barely gotten there in time then taken off his underwear and thought light he wasn't wrestling Shute and his team was forfeiting his weight. And you'd have a sucky ending to the movie.
It's basic to the sport - you don't make weigh-ins or you don't make weight, you don't wrestle. I could see allowing an exception for some type of blocker that wasn't his fault (e.g. car hit by a drunk driver running a red light on the way to weigh-ins ). But he was either late because he got the time wrong or missed weight. I don't see any reason for an exception.
The problem is that we do not know who the best 97 kg guy is.
That problem goes away ONLY if Snyder wons the Olympics.
Do we really know who the best 65 kg is?
How about 2016 when two #9 seeds made the team, were Frank & JdC considered best going in?
Make weight. Win the trials. Enjoy the Olympic experience you earned. Go win a medal. I’m fine with that process.
How about 2016 when two #9 seeds made the team, were Frank & JdC considered best going in?
Make weight. Win the trials. Enjoy the Olympic experience you earned. Go win a medal. I’m fine with that process.
