J'Den Cox missed weight, will not compete
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No all their good guys are over here now. Crazy ass shit happens on that board especially when they go after each other. Lol
The US rules should match Olympic rules. If it won’t fly in Tokyo, then we should not allow it for OTT. Because whatever benefit we gain with being lenient will probably be outweighed by the detriment from enabling/coddling bad mindsets that will bite us in the ass on the big stage.
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The bottom line is to show up on time & make weight. At such a high level of competition there should be no grey area. I've coached and competed at the division 1 level and we were always there more than an hour before weigh ins even before dual meets let alone qualifying tournaments. There is no excuse for this at any level if you have leadership and wrestlers who are accountable.
Not only for weigh-ins, also for your match. Would people still be complaining if he missed his match and was DQed. Feel horrible for him, working 5 years for this opportunity and blowing it because for whatever reason he was not on time.
Process > results. Message received loud and clear.
Because there is no advantage to weighing in late. Literally, it's less time for rehydration, refueling, rest, etc.
If one guy had to do mat-side weigh ins, he is at a significant disadvantage to the guy who weighed in earlier. Especially if he had a hard cut.
But it's not how we've always done it.
Because there is no advantage to weighing in late. Literally, it's less time for rehydration, refueling, rest, etc.
If one guy had to do mat-side weigh ins, he is at a significant disadvantage to the guy who weighed in earlier. Especially if he had a hard cut.
But it's not how we've always done it.
Ha ha. I had joked dyslexia, but hearing disability is even better. Better call Saul!
#gottalovelawyers
I just heard a friend call an aquaintance Reasoning Disabled!Ha ha. I had joked dyslexia, but hearing disability is even better. Better call Saul!
I disagree that rules must always be inflexible and followed exactly. That’s just part of my value system—there is a time and a place to bend the rules. I think they should have given J’den a chance. BUT: they didn’t and I definitely don’t think they should do anything now. The deed is done, and wrestling will look like even more of a clown show if they make Kyle wrestle off with him now.
So she’s your friend, but you’re her acquaintance? Ouch!
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@PAHURDLER true, it wasn’t said about me
@Dogwelder interesting, I never said she, but it was said by a she about another she, and dogs were present, but no welding!
@Dogwelder interesting, I never said she, but it was said by a she about another she, and dogs were present, but no welding!
Tough situation all around. I can't believe Coach Jackson gave J'den the wrong time for the weigh-in (according to J'den), but like Coach Smith mentioned during the Finals last night, there are certain things no athlete should ever delegate, and knowing when you need to weigh-in is definitely one of them. It just seems like such a basic thing to get wrong. I am also amazed that no athlete or coach was able to reach J'den or Coach Jackson as the weigh-in time was running down. Maybe someone did, but J'den was not able to get there early enough? And you would think J'den would want to be under for the start of weigh-in just to be safe. The whole thing is rather perplexing. It will be interesting what details come out. On another note, per J'den's interview which was aired during the Finals, it seems the main approach for his appeal is that it was a USA Wrestling employee (Coach Jackson) that gave J'den the incorrect weigh-in time. Should that have any bearing on this case? What if the coach in question was not an employee of USA Wrestling? I truly feel bad for J'den and Coach Jackson. I hope this does not affect their relationship.
All the more reason not to have this messed up. Coach Jackson is a leader within USAW and his most star athlete, with life long experiences in wrestling, messes up the basics.
Happy Easter everyone..IMO I feel horrible for J’Den. I felt what they should have done is let him wrestle while under appeal. If he got to finals and won but lost appeal (Snyder) goes. If he beat Snyder and wins appeal, Cox goes.
Now that tournament has concluded, it would be the most unfair thing ever, to let him have a special wrestleoff. 1. We don’t know for fact he would have made it thru semis and challenge final and 2. You can’t put others lives in hold to wrestle Jden.
every wrestler was peaked for this weekend. You gonna pull an out of shape Kollin Moore off the streets in a month and have Jden wrestle him, or a off peak Macchiavello? An off peak Snyder..just wouldn’t be right.
Congrats to K Snyder. He stepped on the line and earned his spot. Shame on USA wrestling not throwing Jden in the brackets “just in case” he won his appeal.
Now that tournament has concluded, it would be the most unfair thing ever, to let him have a special wrestleoff. 1. We don’t know for fact he would have made it thru semis and challenge final and 2. You can’t put others lives in hold to wrestle Jden.
every wrestler was peaked for this weekend. You gonna pull an out of shape Kollin Moore off the streets in a month and have Jden wrestle him, or a off peak Macchiavello? An off peak Snyder..just wouldn’t be right.
Congrats to K Snyder. He stepped on the line and earned his spot. Shame on USA wrestling not throwing Jden in the brackets “just in case” he won his appeal.
But I just do not understand the basis for an appeal. He did not make weight during the scheduked weigh in time. And if I understand correctly, he wasn’t just a minute late. My kids wrestled from 1st grade through 12, we always understood the weigh in times, rule, and consequences of not achieving that rule.
The fact that he might be our best medal chance is not a basis for appeal, imho. Actually it makes it all the more important he follow the rules.
If the basis is that his coach told him the wrong time then wasn’t there a Greco match were it was tied and the coaches told the wrestler he was ahead on criteria when he was actually behind. Does he get an appeal for bad coaching information?
The fact that he might be our best medal chance is not a basis for appeal, imho. Actually it makes it all the more important he follow the rules.
If the basis is that his coach told him the wrong time then wasn’t there a Greco match were it was tied and the coaches told the wrestler he was ahead on criteria when he was actually behind. Does he get an appeal for bad coaching information?
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Per the barcode scanning on his credential he showed up at 7:21am, checked weight at 7:24am and eventually made weight at 8:14am. He was there on time. He couldn’t make weight until 14 minutes after the deadline. There’s no gray area here.
Not according to HR. Over there I learned that he was 1 minute late and was given the OK to compete. Then only after Cael threw a fit, they reconsidered and disallowed him to compete. They have awesome sources, an anonymous friend of a friend that was right there.
We were told something very similar by very good source. Crazy to think about it but I guess missing weight happens at all ages.
So he lied in his TV interview when he blamed KJ for the incorrect times?
He also weighed in at 8:04 and was 7 ounces over. Came back at 8:14 and made it. If he indeed checked his weight at 7:24 he and his coach knew he was over the limit 36 minutes before weigh-ins, 40 minutes before his first attempt and 50 minutes before he finally made weight. Very sad but not a hearing problem.....an eating problem
Thanks for the times. The times are still consistent with someone who thought the deadline was one hour later than it actually was.
Had he made weight at the first weigh in this wouldn't be an issue.
A once every 4 years OTT? Inexcusable.
Folks are working really hard trying to create grey in a very clean, crisp, black and white circumstance.
PS Snyder would have beaten him.
A once every 4 years OTT? Inexcusable.
Folks are working really hard trying to create grey in a very clean, crisp, black and white circumstance.
PS Snyder would have beaten him.
The ultimate funny outcome would be to move heaven and earth and piss off half the US to let J’Den somehow get the spot on the team. Then he goes to Tokyo and misses weight there.
Yes and no. The initial arrival also is consistent with somebody that knew the time and missed weight too, so it’s not a good discriminant.
Exactly! The issue still remains whether alleged ignorance of the rules entitles J’Den to special treatment, since we can’t disprove the alleged ignorance.
This actually happened with Joey McKenna, though it wasn't Tokyo. It was Brazil and Junior Worlds.
and................Brock Zacherl let Joey wrestle off with him.
He also weighed in at 8:04 and was 7 ounces over. Came back at 8:14 and made it. If he indeed checked his weight at 7:24 he and his coach knew he was over the limit 36 minutes before weigh-ins, 40 minutes before his first attempt and 50 minutes before he finally made weight. Very sad but not a hearing problem.....an eating problem
Why werent the scales turned off and door locked at 8:00? Who was manning the scales at not only 8:04, but at 8:14?? Why bother even letting him on the damn scales?
Willie talked about this on his show--he said they did it so his weights and the times were on the record should an appeal be filed. Colby called BS on it, but it makes sense that's what their thinking was.
Just baffling to me him not being able to drop that little bit in 45 minutes, hell he dropped 12 pounds in a 6 minute match with DT.
Willie also reported surprising nonchalance of J'den as the actual deadline approached (perhaps supporting his stated understanding that the cut-off was an hour later).
Is the one-hour weigh-in time period standard? Was it reasonable to expect he had more time?
I'm all for cutting a guy slack if something beyond his (reasonable) control prevented him from making weight on time. But in my opinion, just not realizing/knowing the guidelines is not one of those things unless they've been changed recently.
This also makes me wonder how common weigh-in related drama is at this level of wrestling. Outside of the every-once-in-a-while instance of a guy missing weight, it doesn't seem like we hear about much.
He still didn't think weigh ins started until 8 though. From the eye witness accounts I heard, he was going through his normal light final cut as if he had time when KJ came running into the room a couple minutes before they closed to tell him he's gotta run and he was caught off guard. If weigh ins were when he thought, he would have made weight no problem like everyone else.
When he walked into the building doesn't really matter because nobody really shows up to the arena on weight. He thought he had more time to drop his final 2 lbs and if he started 10 minutes earlier he would have made it.
js,
I remember really getting into it w/ you over the whole Zain/Yianni re-wrestle thing. Just curious--do you support some sort of redo of 97Kg this time? If you've missed my take before--I think they probably should have let him wrestle, but because they didn't, think it's far too late now to do anything without being completely unfair to the other competetors.
Could have been in line by 8 so they take you.......but if you miss, you are screwed. I am just guessing but if he actually weighed in 4 minutes after the "end of weigh ins" this might explain it. If he actually weighed in at 7:21, then he knew it was an early weigh in.
