I'm struggling with this. Pretty much agree, but then stick a fork in my eye if Brutus wins the title. Only benefit from that is whining from SEC frauds who forced the Alabama-LSU snorefest down our throats a few years ago.
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Before this goes any further, are you sure you're not confusing LemonPie with spyker? I think I know where you're heading here and if I'm right you may want to reconsider your argument.
The vBama LSU redo was bullshyt. So was the LSU vs Oklahoma title game. Oklahoma loses Big10 title game to Kansas St by 50 points or whatever it was and somehow despite at best being a far second best team in the Big12 they are supposed to be 1 of the 2 best teams in the country.
If Penn State wins the Big10 championship, based upon games played over the course of the season Ohio State is only the second best team in the Big10. Penn State is the best team in the Big10. If Penn State is left out in favor of Ohio St then we should just back to the 1930s, 40s and 50s and play 9 game schedules and award the championship to Note Dame or Oklahoma on Labor Day weekend.
Since we already know who the winner of the OU/OSU game is, why even bring OU up?
Michigan isn't in the conversation for a reason. Yeah they were beaten in a good game by OSU yesterday, but they couldn't deal with the physicality of Iowa before that.
Penn State just might get pounded by Alabama like Michigan State did last year, but right now Penn State is as likely to play Alabama straight up tough as anybody else. They are every bit as good as Washington or Clemson and as the winner of the what appears to be the toughest conference as deserving as anybody else, more deserving than ohio nature nuts.
You are correct, I am wrong. I thought that post was from Spyker. Sorry guys.
It was the ALL CAPS IN THE LAST SENTENCE.
tOSU has ONE loss and we have TWO so criteria is a moot point. Right now Alabama has no losses so they are #1 and tOSU, Washington, and Clemson have one loss each so they are #2 thru #4 in whatever order. If we win against UW we still don't jump any of those 1 loss teams. To get into the playoff we need one of them to lose. Being the BIG champ is only part of the criteria for teams with the same resume (read same record).
Lol. Just trying to keep the peace around here fellas. Blame my years of being a public servant...
I meant OU/Okie St. And I hate OU. They somehow weasel their way into every national discussion, but come on, PSU/Wisconsin? Just give me Washington, please.
tOSU is a lock. Make the argument you want, but they are not coming down from the 2 seed.
As for the 4 seed. Here's my list of deserving 4-seed if we assume a win (If applicable). We're also assuming a Clemson win for the 3-seed.
1. Washington
2. Michigan
3. Okie St
4. Wisconsin
5. OU
6. Colorado
7. PSU (sorry guys)
Obviously this means 3-7 would be out because Michigan doesn't even play. Or Okie St./Wisconsin would need a Clemson loss.
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An 8 team playoff format would eliminate most, but not all of these beauty contest issues.
Washington and Michigan I can understand, but give me the case for 3-6 on your list being more deserving than Penn St?
Do I have to? Just my opinion. Pretty easy to see that PSU has had a fortunate schedule. But props for an awesome victory over tOSU.
No, "you don't have to". I'll just disregard your opinion, this time. Definitely can't see the argument for Colorado or okie St.
I don't think PSU is a playoff quality team this year, but man are they headed in the right direction!
Agree here. LemonPie is just shooting from the hip. If you look at the resume's his list is ridiculous. Colorado's biggest win so far this year is a 27-22 victory over Utah, lol. Ripping on Wisconsin - only two losses are close ones to tOSU and Michigan and has a win over LSU. Big on Oklahoma who was smacked around AT HOME by tOSU, lost to Houston, almost lost to Texas and biggest win is WEST VIRGINIA. OK State lost to CENTRAL MICHIGAN. Jeez, LemonPie - stick to wrestling.
PSU beats Wisconsin they will have two Top 10 victories to their credit, 3 Top 25, finish 11-2 against a TOP TEN schedule (schedule is currently 14, will probably be top 10 after Wisconsin).
Michigan and Washington there is a legitimate argument. Michigan lost 2 out of last 3 though, so that will kill them.
Did you watch the Michigan vs. Colorado game? Colorado was beating Michigan (on the road, no less) until their starting QB went out with an injury.
The SEC isn't as tough top to bottom as in recent years, but they aren't very weak, or even weak. They're not even average. It's a strong conference this season instead of a super conference. Wins over ranked opponents like USC, Louisville, TCU, UNC and Va. Tech reflect some pretty good teams.
I think Ohio State will be ranked higher than us even if we win the conference championship. We need help from Colorado (beating Washington) to get into the playoff, IMO.
So Steiber is not a 4xer then????
Seriously, you are advocating for a team that lost to Central Michigan (5th place in their MAC division) AT HOME, because you think their loss shouldn't count because of poor officiating??
Although I agree with most of your post, Colorado put up two long passes on Michigan in the first quarter. Scored another on defense. Did SQUAT for the rest of the game. QB went out early in 2nd half.
Most likely scenario in that game is they get stomped even if QB stays in all game.
Yeah I get the beauty contest piss on real information aspect of picking teams. However, no matter how conference championship games play out the 2 teams from your list that are still in the conversation are Washington and Penn State and both teams have much more than subjective, beauty contest based opinions to justify their inclusion.
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what happened to this thread? Is Jimmy playing football now? I thought he was having a hard enough time taking on 141 pounders.
Your list only works if you don't assume wins. PSU wins, Wisconsin drops off. Loser of OU/OSU drops off. Loser of CU/Wash drops off. And Michigan, the 3rd place team in a DIVISION, not even the conference, should not be ahead of any power conference winner. The only team on your list that should be ahead of PSU (assuming wins) is Washington.
When I talk about criteria I am referring to being a conference champ. One of the reasons the playoff is only 4 teams is because the conference championship games were viewed as de facto quarterfinal games. The realization is setting in that that model is not accurate and you don't even have to qualify for your conference championship game to make the playoff. Does tOSU really deserve a bye into the playoff while other one loss teams like Washington and Clemson must win or they are out? I just think the current situation is going to raise some interesting discussions and might push us a step closer to an 8 team playoff.
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Not sure when this thread stopped being about Brody Grothus but c'mon already.
Nope, they lost twice in reality. Not only is it a real loss, but if they had put the game away instead of allowing a team that has 4 MAC losses (as well as a 5th to UVA) to hang around so incompetent football officials could screw things up that is on the Cowboys.
Brody Grothus? He's a wrestler, isn't he. If you want to talk wrestling, go to the wrestling board. Oh, never mind.
8 team playoff just moves the goal posts. Same argument still exists, just now we are arguing is the Big10 deserving of 3 teams, do we really count Okie State's loss to Central Michigan, USC with 3 losses is playing really good football and might be a real threat to Alabama this time, and you know if only we had a 16 team playoff.
Absolutely agree with that. tOSU actually benefitted from us beating MSU as that guarantees they get in. If we had lost tOSU could have lost to UW and then had 2 losses and depending on what else happens they may not get in. We definitely need to got to a 16 team playoff. 8 would be better than 4 but IMHO we need it to be 16 so ALL conference champs (even the MAC, CUSA, etc.) are in the playoff.
Tbar is on your side with that issue. Do you really feel good about that?
We can make this work, FT! I like you!
That's ok, though. Moving the bar would allow for the power 5 champions get an automatic bid. Then the argument is about those who did not win a championship.
Right now, there is tremendous confusion between "eye test" and "most deserving".
Eye Test has never won a game that I know of. If you win your league championship you are factually most deserving.
There is also confusion about results as somehow validating a position. Last year MSU earned their way into a playoff. That they got their tail kicked doesn't change the fact that they earned it. It's a game. There are blowouts alll the time even when top teams are involved.
If PSU wins the committee will have them in the playoff. Where they then seed them is irrelevant to whether they deserving to be there. The CFB world has been dishing on the Big10 as the best. They do not get to reverse course and then deny the champion of the best conference a place in the playoff. That would be nothing short of comical.
Then again.....a four team "championship"that doesn't include all the champions is pretty comical.
A 4 team playoff to determine the champion of a 5 conference affiliation is kinda silly. Excluding 2 of the champions is beyond comical, in my opinion it would mean it took only 3 years to go from a playoff determined championship to a beauty contest with a couple football games thrown in.
list was just based on best ceiling. PSU has lowest, IMO. But no more posts on PSU football for me.
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So if no football posts, any thoughts on Iowa beating Purdue 34-3 with exactly zero back points scored against a team the Hawks physically overwhelmed. Must have been doing some stalling.
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