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JUST THINK...There's an Alternate Universe where PITT has the Number One recruiting class

They have back to back seasons with one win more than Franklin had when they were all making fun of him and saying he was a used car salesman. Go figure.

8-5 is about as good as it gets at Pitt, so I can see why they are happy
 
They have back to back seasons with one win more than Franklin had when they were all making fun of him and saying he was a used car salesman. Go figure.

Franklin averages more wins over his career at PSU than Nardouche does at Pitt. That's impressive considering PSU plays in the toughest P5 division and Pitt plays in the weakest.

In addition to that, think of all the games PSU SHOULD have won in recent years but came up short mostly due to the unjust sanctions... 2014 OSU/Maryland, 2015 NW/Temple/UGA, and the games this year that PSU had control of and handed away, Pitt/USC. Meanwhile think of all the games Pitt was extremely lucky to win over the last two season. The gap between the two coaches is larger than it appears on paper, and only going to get larger.
 
Would that be the same alternative universe where Pitt fans aren't disguised as empty yellow seats?

I think you've confused alternative universes with alternative facts. ;)
 
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Again please up your trolling game this is weak. I will play along with you since you're not answering the question. If Nardouche is so good at taking lower rated players and coaching them up as defense is his specialty, how could this great coach and scheme give up 61 points to Syracuse? Syracuse is brutal. As well as high point totals against other teams. As you stated he takes players and makes them so much better no?

Fair points and anyone who is a Pitt man realizes those types of numbers are unacceptable. A portion of those scores is on Duzz because he refused to change his scheme. The other portion goes to the many coaches we have been thru and left our defensive skill positions... to be kind rather lacking.

Nobody is claiming we are going to come in here next year and beat you. All anyone agrees with is that Pitt will show up and give it their all. You may very well curb stomp us but we will be here, play hard. I personally am looking forward to the trip.

You guys had a fantastic season and did really well in recruiting. Pitt had a decent season with two big victories. The program is trending in the right direction and for now I am ok with that
 
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Fair points and anyone who is a Pitt man realizes those types of numbers are unacceptable. A portion of those scores is on Duzz because he refused to change his scheme. The other portion goes to the many coaches we have been thru and left our defensive skill positions... to be kind rather lacking.

Nobody is claiming we are going to come in here next year and beat you. All anyone agrees with is that Pitt will show up and give it their all. You may very well curb stomp us but we will be here, play hard. I personally am looking forward to the trip.

You guys had a fantastic season and did really well in recruiting. Pitt had a decent season with two big victories. The program is trending in the right direction and for now I am ok with that

Plot Pitt's wins over Nardouche's tenure and rethink your position:
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Plot Pitt's wins over Nardouche's tenure and rethink your position:
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No, as I said I am content for now. If in the next three years and we are still banging out 8-5 records then I will become extremely dismayed. Would I rather have PSU success, Absolutely but we are not at that level. Will we get there some day? I feel like its possible only time will tell.

What we know right now is you guys are on a roll and deserve to have the honors you are gaining. Pitt has some stability after many years of not having it and I am looking forward to coming to State College next year..
 
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Of course we 'loco's" as you called us do not think our recruits will "all be coached up."
"Misdirected and unrealistic?"....Well, you might be too if you had a 3 star Derelle Revis,
who became a #1 draft choice, perennial All Pro, future Hall of Famer, etc. etc. OR maybe a 2/3 star Aaron Donald who was "coached up" to be a consensus All American,
1st Round draft choice, perennial pro bowler in his three years in the NFl, and NFL
Defensive rookie of the year and NFL Defensive player of the year this year..
Oh wait, there's that other non "coached up" 2 star player I almost forgot about,
James Conner. Nah, he didn't do much..we're just delusional at Pitt.
Of course I could go on and on, but my sense is you already have your mind made up.
As I've mentioned in another post....Congrats to your great recruiting class and
very high pre season ranking for 2017. PSU will be heavily favored against us this
fall, and deservedly so. However, I have a hunch Pitt will show up.

Son,
Let me explain the hard truth to you. Pitt's turned out some nice pros but what has been the result of it? One 10-win season in the last 30 years. Thirty years and just ONE 10-win season.

The highest Pitt has been ranked in the past 30 years? 15th. That's it. Air Force, Colorado State, East Carolina, Illinois, Marshall, Miami OF OHIO, Nevada, Purdue, Rutgers, Tulane and Western Michigan are just some of the teams that have finished higher than 15th in the last 30 years.

In fact, Pitt has finished in the top 20 only three times in the last 30 seasons. That's once every 10 years on average. Pitt does teach math right?

Pitt has played in one major bowl game in the last 30 years. ONE, and they backed into that one and were promptly taken to the woodshed by Utah.

Therefore Pitt has not won a major bowl game or finished in the top 10 in over 30 years. Pitt alums who last experienced that are now all older than 50 years of age.

So you see all the good the result of having an occasional future All-Pro has done for your program. Truthfully, none at all, but you will no doubt will continue to be unrealistic and misdirected for the facts evidently escape your comprehension.
 
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Fair points and anyone who is a Pitt man realizes those types of numbers are unacceptable. A portion of those scores is on Duzz because he refused to change his scheme. The other portion goes to the many coaches we have been thru and left our defensive skill positions... to be kind rather lacking.

Nobody is claiming we are going to come in here next year and beat you. All anyone agrees with is that Pitt will show up and give it their all. You may very well curb stomp us but we will be here, play hard. I personally am looking forward to the trip.

You guys had a fantastic season and did really well in recruiting. Pitt had a decent season with two big victories. The program is trending in the right direction and for now I am ok with that

Goadie,
As for trending in the right direction, you're mistaken. Pitt set a school record this season in scoring and yet did not even win the Coastal division. Pitt, under the defensive "genius" Narduchi surrendered more points this year than any team in Pitt history.

Do you really expect to set more school scoring records? You lose two offensive linemen to the NFL, Conner, a seasoned senior QB and a quality TE and your record setting offensive coordinator left. Your offense will be worse next year. To think otherwise is moronic.

Pitt and Narduchi try brag about being 37th in 2017 recruiting rankings. Have you looked at your competition? Namely, the two schools you lost to this year? Miami and Virginia Tech had new coaches this year and were playing with their predecessor's players and both programs were down in recent years.

How did they do recruiting? Virginia Tech finished 30th and Miami 11th. Enjoy losing to them annually from here on out and looking up at them in the Coastal division.

Should Pitt miraculously somehow win the Coastal division, Pitt would have to face either Clemson, Florida State or Louisville in the ACCCG. Those schools had recruiting classes ranked 22nd, 5th and 28th respectively.

2017 was Pitt's high water mark and they'll be losing ground to those schools from here on out. The needle is definitely not trending upward.
 
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Pitt has some stability after many years of not having it and I am looking forward to coming to State College next year..
The same head coach for two seasons = stability. OK. :) How many Offensive Quality Control... I mean, Offensive Coordinators are you on now? :)
 
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Try reading comprehension 101, you need it. I never said Narduzzi was "so good at coaching lower level rated players and coaching them up." I listed three players as examples where Pitt, not necessarily Narduzzi coached em up. The three were Revis, Donald and Conner. Revis and Donald were pre Narduzzi and Conner was an established star before Nardduzzi arrived (ACC offensive player of the year). Go back
and re read the thread, and while you're at it, get your condescending head out of your ass. Also you asked about points in the Syracuse game...re read the response....I
answered your question by stating "we gave up an unheard of 61 points."
For gods sake. Someone get this guy off the board and delete his threads.
 
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No, as I said I am content for now. If in the next three years and we are still banging out 8-5 records then I will become extremely dismayed. Would I rather have PSU success, Absolutely but we are not at that level. Will we get there some day? I feel like its possible only time will tell.

What we know right now is you guys are on a roll and deserve to have the honors you are gaining. Pitt has some stability after many years of not having it and I am looking forward to coming to State College next year..


I'm looking forward to never seeing Pitt again.
 
Every year, Pitt wanted more and more to play Penn State. Paterno got sick of it and said the money would be better spent on sports at Penn State.
What money? We have a standard home and home agreement with them. Just like all the home and homes we have with other P5 schools on future schedules.
 
What money? We have a standard home and home agreement with them. Just like all the home and homes we have with other P5 schools on future schedules.


Incorrect. Pitt kept upping the ante regardless of where the game was to be played. That's why Joe ended their bullshit.
 
Hon, you must be Rip Van Winkle (not Engle). It's 2017. I think you have a few years of catching up to do.


We were continually kicking Pitt's ass, and Paterno stated the money would be better spent on Penn State Sports.
 
We were continually kicking Pitt's ass, and Paterno stated the money would be better spent on Penn State Sports.
Pittiots would remind you that they won the last game of that series, FYI.

What is this extorting money? We have to pay teams to come into Beaver Stadium to play us, regardless of who they are. So you're implying Pitt wanted more money to come here than other teams, and used the rivalry to justify it. If I can read between your obtuse lines.

So great. That's was almost 20 years ago, no? I still fail to see what that has to do with playing Pitt now. If we have a fair contract, and no ones twisting any arms or extorting money, what's the ****ing problem? A lot of people like us playing Pitt, as evidenced by the attendance. Other games like OSU may have more national implications, but there's no team I enjoy beating more than Pitt. It drives them bonkers, adding to my enjoyment.
 
Pittiots would remind you that they won the last game of that series, FYI.

What is this extorting money? We have to pay teams to come into Beaver Stadium to play us, regardless of who they are. So you're implying Pitt wanted more money to come here than other teams, and used the rivalry to justify it. If I can read between your obtuse lines.

So great. That's was almost 20 years ago, no? I still fail to see what that has to do with playing Pitt now. If we have a fair contract, and no ones twisting any arms or extorting money, what's the ****ing problem? A lot of people like us playing Pitt, as evidenced by the attendance. Other games like OSU may have more national implications, but there's no team I enjoy beating more than Pitt. It drives them bonkers, adding to my enjoyment.


All I stated is why Paterno wanted the series ended, there's nothing obtuse about it. Pitt wanted a ridiculous amount of money to come to Penn State and the same at Pitt. It was never ending, and Joe did state it's better spent on PSU Sports, which it is.
 
All I stated is why Paterno wanted the series ended, there's nothing obtuse about it. Pitt wanted a ridiculous amount of money to come to Penn State and the same at Pitt. It was never ending, and Joe did state it's better spent on PSU Sports, which it is.
And all I said was, that was then, this is now.
 
Easy to see why with those loons to even have death threats on him by Pitt fans. He was doing them the favor of saving them an embarrassing loss every year and they didn't even realize it.

I don't think Joe wanted the series over in general, I think Joe wanted the 1-1 series over. Regardless, Joe didn't run PSU, he was overruled many times during his career by those above him. PSU offered multiple unbalanced series that were fair for both schools, and Pitt declined. So regardless of what Joe wanted, it was Pitt that actually ended the series.
 
I don't think Joe wanted the series over in general, I think Joe wanted the 1-1 series over. Regardless, Joe didn't run PSU, he was overruled many times during his career by those above him. PSU offered multiple unbalanced series that were fair for both schools, and Pitt declined. So regardless of what Joe wanted, it was Pitt that actually ended the series.


This is also a part of what happened aside from Joe knowing Penn State was throwing money away on Pitt. Joe did not want a 1/1, Pitt wouldn't go for it. Blaming Joe for ending the series has proven to be a pile of shit.
 
If you want to feel really good about our past few recruiting classes, take a look at the delusional pittmeisters "recruiting tale of the tape" post on Pantherlair. Wow do their classes suck. A couple good kids in each class then MAC level talent. The worst part is last years class even had 3 guys not qualify and have medical conditions. I wouldn't be surprised if this years has the same attrition
 
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If you want to feel really good about our past few recruiting classes, take a look at the delusional pittmeisters "recruiting tale of the tape" post on Pantherlair. Wow do their classes suck. A couple good kids in each class then MAC level talent. The worst part is last years class even had 3 guys not qualify and have medical conditions. I wouldn't be surprised if this years has the same attrition

Agreed... we have seen what happens when you miss on a few recruiting classes and/or injuries. I takes awhile to get the talent back up to snuff. Pitt was already walking a tight rope with regards to talent. Now with Miami and Richt together and VT getting their footing back it's going to be a long hard ugly road for Pitt. The lack of talent in recruiting is going to really start to show and they will realize Chryst was their best hope for the future. I shall take great delight watching them finish in the cellar for the next several years.
Especially after the historic beat down they are going to receive this fall at PSU. Hope the Pitt folks enjoyed this season because for the foreseeable future things look quite bleak
 
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