And cael’s regular punter is Ray Guy in his prime (if the younguns in here don’t know Ray Guy, look him up)
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No need to punt anymore. Those days are gone. It’s peddle to floor now. A 197 Sr. transfer would align perfectly along with a Hall redshirt.
Not a completely insane proposition
125- mystery transfer
133-Teske
141- Giannangelli or Davis
149-Verk
157-Berge
165-VJ if no Oly or Manville assuming no Greco Oly or J Lee
174-Starroci
184-Shak
197-Conel
285-Cassar
Given how expensive out of state tuition is at Penn State, all this discussion about 5th, much less a 6th year is probably “board dreams”. With only 9.9 scholarships the more weapons on the shelf the less $$$ to go around on a per wrestler basis. Frankly it wouldn’t surprise me to see Shak and Cassar move on after this season. The new kids coming in may not want to pay to sit either. Most of these kids are out of state and that’s a steep price to pay to participate in a non-revenue sport. Just my $.02.
"to participate in a non-revenue sport"...? What does whether or not the sport is revenue generating matter? For many, including Shak, Cassar, and Conel, this is maybe their last time to compete as a wrestler... certainly their last time to compete as part of a real team. Some might not want to put a price tag on that.
Can you at 141? Lee burned his redshirt and to me he seems like VJ and not the type of wrestlers to go for the Oly RS if given the opportunity. But even if Cael does it to protect them another year which i doubt he does with talent on the horizon, RBY won’t RS because of the match at ASU next year so you can but doubt you punt at 133
Everything has a price and all three above have missed substantial time due to injuries, I hope that plays a significant factor if they think they can stay healthy for one more season.
Cassar seems set on coming back next year, winning a title could be the only thing to change that
Nick Lee can still take a regular Redshirt.
I was under the impression his RS was burned last year penn state started him after the scuffle in which case he has no reg RS left
You don't really "burn" a redshirt--you just set it aside. Since Nick wrestled last year, he more accurately preserved his redshirt.
That's not what "burning" a redshirt means. By wrestling as the PSU rep after the Scuffle he used a year of eligibility INSTEAD of using his redshirt.
redshirt is a tricky subject but that doesn’t make sense to me. What do you classify burning a RS? That’s basically saying you could RS someone to scope out the competition and then pull it 2nd half of the season and PRESERVE it. That doesn’t make sense. Again I’m not a knowledgeable person in this subject but to me, guys like Nick lee, Spencer Lee, jack mueller they don’t have RS anymore
Nick Lee still has a RS if wanted/needed, and there is no punting.
The bolded part of your statement is correct, you can't do that. However, that is not what PSU did with Nick Lee last season. Lee only wrestled in open tournaments not wearing a PSU singlet. Spencer Lee wrestled as a true frosh last year, just like Nick Lee so he still can take a regular redshirt. You don't have to use your redshirt when you are a true frosh. It can be done in any season.
It’s actually pretty simple. Under normal circumstances, you have five years to compete in four. From what I understand, if there is any paperwork to file to say you are using a red shirt, that is not done until the conclusion of the season in which you didn’t compete. other than factoring in medical 6th years and the like, it’s not more complex than that
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Good question on what does whether a sport is revenue generating or not matter. In basketball a kid may think “one more year of development and I can catch on with a Euro league team”, or a football player may have redshirted and became a starter as a junior. One more year of development and maybe they catch some teams interest and make a practice squad. In those sports sticking “with it” for another year may lead to a professional pay day. In wrestling it seems like the outlet would be MMA or coaching. If Cassar or Shak are thinking MMA they have already had enough injuries to impact a career. Time to get on with it. On the other hand, any of these guys may be pursuing a graduate degree so it may make sense to stick around for another year.
Tuition for out of state runs $40K or so. Figure cost of housing and everything else is at least $2K/ month. That’s a big investment to hang with your team for another year. Finally many of these kids were “held back” at some point in their career and are at an age where their friends they grew up with have already entered the work force.
Nick Lee grey shirted (shit it's still early on the west coast) 2 years ago. He wasn't officially on the team. Same as Brooks, Seth, Joe Lee & Beard all of whom can redshirt next year or later if they chose.
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Any wrestler that represents PSU in an event is not eligible for a red shirt. Even though Nick, Spencer, and Mark spent part of their true freshman year red shirting, once they wrestled in a dual they are no longer eligible. They are still eligible to take a red shirt year.
Bringing in Conel is a good thing if the plan is to start him (which I'm sure is why he would want to come to PSU) but he would also be a good insurance plan. Kyle would also be the resident expert on beating Kollin Moore unless Bo Nickal pulls a Bo Nickal at Big's and NCAA's.
Hard to place at the NCAA tournament if your a grey shirt.
Are you high on drugs son?
You are absolutely correct on this point, even with a red shirt any extra year at PSU is no free lunch especially considering the 9.9 and it is my understanding that Cael doesn't give out "full" 100%" scholys to any of our kids.
I suspect there are many other types of aid that come into play that soften the blow and allow broader distribution of the 9.9, including partial academic scholarships, generic scholarships of many flavors that the team probably had the kids apply for dozens, Pell Grants, other grants, student loans, and then of course, some of the bigger names make some income from Summer camps. For all we know Zain and Nolf might have been on 100% academic scholarships. Nolf's GPA is reportedly 4.5 - he tortures his teachers too.
Ohio State has pledged to make college 100% free to all low income in state kids which probably buys them a couple of extra on top of the 9.9 each year. I do not think PSU has followed suit but this could end up being a factor going forward. I also don't know at what age a kid might qualify as being totally on his own financially and thus eligible for some be of these low income programs. I think 25, but a 6th year might bring some of this into play.
https://news.osu.edu/ohio-state-to-cover-full-cost-of-tuition-for-ohio-pell-families/
There is one good side to Suriano Teasdale, Busiello. They freed up at least some of the 9.9 for others.
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i am not saying they will or they won't. But for any of us to apply a value judgment of what makes sense for them is silly. Lots of people pay for a year of college that isn't actually "needed" to get their degree, whether to pursue a second major, an advanced degree, change of major, or just because that's the way life worked out. My daughter could probably graduate in 3 years at PSU, given the high school AP credits that transferred in, summer classes, etc. I am strongly discouraging her from doing that. Everyone's story is different.
Funny thing is we often apply the opposite logic when football players (for example) leave early when (in our minds) they could come back and be stars, improve draft position, etc. Some kids are just ready to leave. Some kids want to stay. Pat Tillman famously told his coaches at ASU "you can redshirt me or not, but I will only be in college for 4 years".
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Regarding RBY: Is is 100% certain that we have a dual with ASU next year? I know it was announced as a home-and-home, but if RBY does redshirt, they could have the dual in the 20-21 season instead of the 19-20 season. Heck, the schedule isn't even released until September every year.
Also guessing that Nolf doesn't get/need rent $'s. Very nice loophole he found there, marrying a full scholarship PSU soccer player, so that Cael can spread out more $'s. I believe Vodka is on the phone to all 14 compliance departments, asking for a clarification, and Ironbird is stalking their Swimming Team asking them "interested in shacking up with a 141?"
Yeah--that wasn't a very accurate report--call it the Johnson/Gibbons effect. PSU does not weigh grades--highest possible is 4.0 (which would not surprise me at all w/ Mr. Matrix).
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Two years ago Nick Lee gave up his Senior year in high school, was home schooled to get his degree, and worked out at the NLWC. His brother did the same thing and then Grayshirted this year. All 4 of our Grayshirts have graduated high school. Nick didn’t Grayshirt.
Yep , I actually feel dumber after reading the last page of this thead
Still don't see anyway that Hall takes an Olympic RS. Where does he fit right now? 74kg or 86kg? Just don't see the benefit to Hall. I can't see him going against some pretty full sized men at 86kg. I guess he could conceivably get to 74kg but he indicated in the past that his days at 74kg are over.
Yeah, with only 6 Olympic weights lots of guys will find themselves between weight classes. Hall can go up to challenge Taylor (and maybe Dake and Cox) or down (if he can even make 74kg) and challenge Burroughs (and maybe Dake).
"Burning a redshirt" is a bit confusing. Better would be "burning a year of eligibility", or "saving a redshirt".
I think it is used because of sports like football where post FR redshirts are more rare. Once a guy plays as a TRFR it seems like it never turns back in football.
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