I was referring specifically to Mejia's size/projected weight, which he indicated in a recent interview would be 133/141. Courtney has been a terror for sure.
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I was referring specifically to Mejia's size/projected weight, which he indicated in a recent interview would be 133/141. Courtney has been a terror for sure.
Chickenman you beat me to it, they have some high finishers in a number of weight classes, but show me the bonus.
Depending on the placement.
I really think it should be a pretty tight race between the the 2 OSUs for second, and I believe VTech and Iowa should have a repeat of this year's white knuckle battle for the last trophy.
Not quite clear how getting Lee, translates into Iowa getting everyone else they want: Every kid is different, and every kid who commits, helps recruit for his new school.
While this was a big get for Iowa, it does not automatically translate into Iowa getting everyone else they go after, just as it did not for Penn State, and does not for Ohio State, Virginia Tech, or Oklahoma State.
While this was a big get for Iowa, it does not automatically translate into Iowa getting everyone else they go after, just as it did not for Penn State, and does not for Ohio State, Virginia Tech, or Oklahoma State.
Not calling you out on it, but it sure is funny how after Spencer Lee commits word on the HR is that Mejia is getting really big and outgrowing 120.
A couple of weeks ago I could have sworn I read that Brian Courtney was at least a weight class bigger than him if not more when he took him apart.
BTW, Courtney just got taken apart by a kid who is at least a weight class bigger than him about a week later, lol.
If you read "The Mat", Dake was beaten by a guy who is at least a weight class bigger than him also!
Just my 2 cents.
Relax. Things are fine.
Iowa got a couple PA studs. Good for them.
Some of the bitter assed responses are so freaking unnecessary.
I get to watch Lee for another year and Teasdale for two.
As they move on with their careers they will be Hawks, not Lions. Chances are fairly strong that during their college careers I will now root really hard for many opponents they will wrestle. That will have nothing to do with feeling betrayed or being bitter - come post season time I usually root against Hawkeyes. The reason is because Iowa is usually the serious threat in the team race and I have been rooting against the Hawks for 40 years.
It's wrestling and whether a competitor, a coach, fan whatever it's supposed to be fun.
Now for some of the fun parts.
Just imagine. With Spencer in the lineup and assuming Spencer makes a few finals, we might get to see a Hawkeye score an offensive point in a championship match.
Or, how about this one.
How long do you guys suppose it will take the Iowa staff to teach Spencer to stop that agreesive offensive wrestling and just sit back and wait for the ref to just give him a couple stall points.
Relax. Things are fine.
Iowa got a couple PA studs. Good for them.
Some of the bitter assed responses are so freaking unnecessary.
I get to watch Lee for another year and Teasdale for two.
As they move on with their careers they will be Hawks, not Lions. Chances are fairly strong that during their college careers I will now root really hard for many opponents they will wrestle. That will have nothing to do with feeling betrayed or being bitter - come post season time I usually root against Hawkeyes. The reason is because Iowa is usually the serious threat in the team race and I have been rooting against the Hawks for 40 years.
It's wrestling and whether a competitor, a coach, fan whatever it's supposed to be fun.
Now for some of the fun parts.
Just imagine. With Spencer in the lineup and assuming Spencer makes a few finals, we might get to see a Hawkeye score an offensive point in a championship match.
Or, how about this one.
How long do you guys suppose it will take the Iowa staff to teach Spencer to stop that agreesive offensive wrestling and just sit back and wait for the ref to just give him a couple stall points.
People's way of trying to convince themselves that everything will workout without any feelings being hurt. Mejia was smaller than Courtney, but he is not someone I see getting a lot bigger. Looks like a college 125 to me, and Lee would/will take him apart. I've always thought Renteria was better than him anyway, and ultimately see Mejia being the odd man out. Mejia is certainly good, but I also think that our board assumes a lot when it comes to how good he will be. Renteria has better career wins and has wrestled better competition.
Very big of you to discuss this. I often wonder if Mejias dad by posting all the time on the HR is setting himself up for some very bad days down the road. Lee is a force of nature and I could see Mejia returning to cali to attend fresno st. as the odd man out.
still a good problem to have for you guys. Similar to our 157-184 situation.
Here is some inside information that u all can like or jump on the hate JD band wagon. Lee was recruited by PSU bUt not fully intended. Lee knew this. We have him covered. It was t his choice he went to Iowa... It was Cael's choice. Just like Chance and that heavy weight from OSU. Not everything is what u think. Cael is smarter than most. Plans way out ahead of most. So look deeper into the big picture and don't hate guys that tell u the truth. I never lied on here. Never will. All of u guys have some great thoughts. I love reading them. Except for spyker... This guy has no f'n idea about anything. Nothing he says has anything to do with what's happening in the room. Believe me... Totally clueless ! Might be an Iowa guy.
I didn't post this over there simply because his dad posts. It's my opinion, but I'm always going to try and be as respectful as I can towards family members and wrestlers. Seems like a good kid, and I think he'll do well someplace but it may not be at Iowa
You might be the biggest f***in idiot on here . Keep trolling
You shouldn't doubt him, I heard his body is covered with tattoos that have all future PSU lineups and results!!
No offense... JD... but your inside information is hard to decipher . In what context do you mean.. NOT FULLY INTENDED?? Penn State and Cael as Spencer stated in his letter was all in. What are you trying to say or what is your intended point in saying Penn State wasn't FULLY INTENDED?? Spencer Lee has said... the opposite of what you're implying.
We have him covered means what??? That Suriano is his equal or did you have another meaning??
I don't understand what you're saying and would like to.
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I don't talk to Cael regularly, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that it is exactly as it seems. I would be willing to bet that Spencer has a fantastic career at the University of Iowa. If that really is Cael's opinion, then I will respectfully disagree and trust my own eye. He is a smart guy for sure but not a deity. Barring injury, I see Spencer's floor as a better Zach Saunders, and his ceiling as a 4 time champ. I'll guess that it's someplace in between
I am with amalone. Not really sure I am following what you are saying.
You appear to be angry about this and I am having a tough time following the post that is kinda dismissive but covered with a high level of emotion.
Have a hard time believing that Cael was not all in for either Lee or Snyder, but admit that is just a strong feeling on my part. I do think you're wrong on Chance though. My recollection was when Chance de-committed from PSU and before he committed to OSU, Cael tried to convince Chance to stay at PSU. I believe Chance stated something to the same effect. So to say Cael wasn't all in on Chance doesn't ring true to me.
I hope you are correct, JD. If, a few years from now, Spencer Lee has had very little college success, then hats off to you (and to Cael) because you'll have been among the first to call it.
I'd venture to guess the heavy he's talking about is Haines. As for Chance, I don't recall hearing much from either side on what really happened.
I think what JD is trying to say is that Cael really is some kind of God, or at the very least, Don Corleone. I know I give you guys crap about that whole thing but there it is.
Anything bad=Cael Willed It
Anything good=Cael willed it
Anything bad=Cael Willed It
Anything good=Cael willed it
Yes, and this is comparable only if Cael has a lightweight Nevills -- someone he projects as the better college wrestler at the same weight -- already lined up. Going out on a limb here: not comparable.
Not a knock at Suriano. Cael is obviously very happy with him. But he's probably not at the same weight very long.
Would this make Brands = Tony Montana?
One final point. PSU is very good for the next few years with Suriano and Cortez at the lower weights, but if they sustain any injuries we are hurting. Very little depth at the lightweights. Given the lack of depth at the lower weights, I have to believe a priority was on getting Lee and/or Teasdale. JD indicates there was not a priority by Cael to get Lee; well if not Lee, than who? We are already stacked with talent between 157 and 197 (Nolf, Joseph, Manville, Morelli, Nickal, Hall, Rasheed, McCutcheon, Cassar, Stout). So from where I sit, the priority recruits would have been on the lightweights (125-141). Mark Hall was a great get and I'm glad he is coming to PSU, but he falls into a range of weight classes where we are already very deep. So from a weight class need point of view, I think the priority had to be lightweights, i.e. Lee and/or Teasdale. What am I missing here?
Plus through no fault of their own, neither has really had an impactful career so far.
I know I give you guys crap and when I say YOU GUYS... I mean all Hawk fans... and I will as long as GOD... (Not Cael) "wills" it.
The whole thing is... God wants me to do it. (Not Gable the GOD... but... you know... G O D. )
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Well, both legends can trace their roots to Ames, Iowa.
You're not missing anything Lion-Around. You're just missing... that there's a MISSING LINK involved. As in a person... Missing Link.
Last year at this time we were scratching our heads wondering who we would have starting at 125 and 133 next season let alone depth. Then real quick like, Cael comes up big with the Cortez transfer and then follows that up with the Suriano signing. Voila!
I'm not worried one bit what Cael's next move will be. I'll bet next year at this same time our future at those two weights will be somewhat different than what many of us expect. Cael has time to either grab a transfer, flip a commit or grab a recruit none of us expected or maybe all three.
I don't disagree with anything you wrote; however, that wasn't my point. JD stated that Cael wasn't all in on recruiting Lee. My point was given where we currently stand with the lower weights, why not be all in for Lee? JD implies that Lee opted for Iowa because Cael wasn't all in on him wearing blue and white. I find that very hard to believe.
I know I give you guys crap and will
Thank GOD... for Cael... when Cael's not being GOD.
"Sanderson said he doesn't recruit a 'ton of kids.' His staff zeroes in on a few targets and goes after them -- hard."
http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/07/wrestling_recruiting_an_inexac.html
http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/07/wrestling_recruiting_an_inexac.html
Hard to say what JD meant by his post. It was rather confusing but I understand what you're saying. I will add though, we don't know what Lee wanted from PSU for his services. What type of deal when it came to money or even what Lee might have wanted when it came to his plans on taking a regular redshirt and an Olympic redshirt. Maybe he made demands. We just don't know.
If that is the case though, I'd have to side with JD if he is indeed meaning Cael doesn't go all in on anyone. That I'd agree with. I just feel Cael wants an athlete that is all in on him and the University in return of what they are getting. Great coaching, a great club, great partners and a great education. You're getting all that so you go all in for us and be all in on the plan I have laid out for the future of our team.
Listening to Mark Hall speak leads me to believe all that. Listen to him speak. He says his future plans as far as redshirting, taking an Olympic redshirt and what weight he will compete at will be discussed with and determined by Cael and his staff. Mark Hall seems to be all in on PSU. Was Spencer Lee? We just don't know...
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