Lehigh Match Thread!!

[BigFella235]

There’s been a tidy combo of RSV and COVID going around in my neck of the PA woods. Not to say that’s why Max lost, every good wrestler has an off match or two. I’m sure Cael will have his mindset right and make sure his focus is still in the right place. There’s no use dwelling on dual match losses in December. Especially when they’re against quality opponents in Laird and Dean

 

[District four]

Is that Indiana County?

Depends which side of the crock your on. Clinton county one side and Lycoming county the other

 

[Hotshoe]

I always assumed fishing creek in mill Hall lol. What's up creekside

Also, I'm hearing rumors, the Pine Creek Tavern, below Waterville, is back open. I never got a chance to get off the Sock to check out Pine Creek when I was home. Huge miss on my part.

 

[District four]

We're talking, Little Pine Dam, up 44, past Waterville, PA, and all the way up.

Love tomb flats camp there often.

 

[District four]

Also, I'm hearing rumors, the Pine Creek Tavern, below Waterville, is back open.

Yep ate there last month. Guess they had something bad in the water for a while. Great food

 

[Hotshoe]

Yep ate there last month. Guess they had something bad in the water for a while. Great food

Awesome. I stayed there about 6 years ago when the state trooper owned it. Awesome deck on the left, Awesome bar with tv's outside on the covered deck.

 

[Hotshoe]

Yep ate there last month. Guess they had something bad in the water for a while. Great food

I literally, grew up in the Pine Creek Trading post! Lol

 

[nitlion6]

Using Beano’s analysis, Indiana and Illinois are better than 1994 Nebraska since Penn St only beat them by 6 and 4 on the road.

I guess u could take it that way, but I think Beano probably points out the 2022 Penn State team is nowhere near the 1994 Penn State team. Nor are this year's Indiana or Illinois teams of similar quality as the 1994 Nebraska team.

As I said though, you take it as is.

 

[District four]

Awesome. I stayed there about 6 years ago when the state trooper owned it. Awesome deck on the left, Awesome bar with tv's outside on the covered deck.

I might be mistaken I think I'm talking about the venture. Tavern is still closed although I thought santinos from Jersey shore were supposed to have bought it.

 

[BigFella235]

I haven't made any effort to watch the playoff games since the Big10 commissioner publicly declared the Big10 champion not good enough to be included and openly lobbied against the champion's inclusion.
That said, that doesn't mean I do not enjoy pointing out how pathetic the whole thing is.
Until proven otherwise, the model they initially use in 2024 I expect to be as pathetic as they can make it.

I’ve yet to understand the concept of “the 4 best teams” when it’s constantly the same teams in the playoffs year in, year out. Parity is good for all. You can have your blue bloods in the playoff every year, but you’re leaving money on the table by refusing to add the Cinderella type teams or including them, then feeding them to a team like Bama right off the bat. That’s just bad business. Look at the excitement generated by the Cinderella pumpkin pusher teams in the March Madness tournaments. Not to say they should make it a 64 team tournament, but a bigger array of teams makes things vastly more interesting than putting in the same group of teams each year and expecting people to be excited about watching

 

[Hotshoe]

Lol. I’ve spent more than half my life going to hunting (and snowmobile) camp in Potter and (later) Tioga counties. It was listening to Penn State on (I think Williamsport) radio that I really fell in love with Penn State. If you know the song, we drank, played cards and shot the Bull while listening to Penn State football. For the bigger games, we’d drive into Germania and catch the game at the Waldheim. (That mean anything to you?)

Love it up there. But My dad sold the camp and my uncle moved south when they got old. Been about 5-6 years since I’ve been up that way. I’d like to hike the Rim Trail and the Black Forrest Trail, though. Bought the guides to plan the hike. Just haven’t done it yet.

I don't hate you, but I might! Lol Folks have no idea how much I miss my home.

 

[Hotshoe]

I might be mistaken I think I'm talking about the venture. Tavern is still closed although I thought santinos from Jersey shore were supposed to have bought it.

Venture Inn is on the right going up to Little Pine. The Pine Creek Inn is on the left just before Waterville.

 

[mcpat]

I’d take 44 past Waterville, Haneyville, Oleona, etc. and drive by Fin Fur and Further, Pat Reeder’s, Black Forrest Inn and Carter Camp B&B.

 

[Hotshoe]

I might be mistaken I think I'm talking about the venture. Tavern is still closed although I thought santinos from Jersey shore were supposed to have bought it.

Walk into Venture, seating on the right, small bar to the left. Claim to fame, fried chicken.

 

[Hotshoe]

I’d take 44 past Waterville, Haneyville, Oleona, etc. and drive by Fin Fur and Further, Pat Reeder’s, Black Forrest Inn and Carter Camp B&B.

Now I really hate you. Fin, Fur, and Feather! Let me just my 9mm and end it over jealousy!

 

[nitlion6]

I’ve yet to understand the concept of “the 4 best teams” when it’s constantly the same teams in the playoffs year in, year out. Parity is good for all. You can have your blue bloods in the playoff every year, but you’re leaving money on the table by refusing to add the Cinderella type teams or including them, then feeding them to a team like Bama right off the bat. That’s just bad business. Look at the excitement generated by the Cinderella pumpkin pusher teams in the March Madness tournaments. Not to say they should make it a 64 team tournament, but a bigger array of teams makes things vastly more interesting than putting in the same group of teams each year and expecting people to be excited about watching

I don't buy the bulkshit that the playoff is designed to identify the 4 best teams. The idea is to identify the best team.
So if you have 5 primary conferences, and a 4 team playoff it should be the 4 highest ranked conference champions. Everything is objective, and the beauty contest subjective bullshit is out the window.

 

[Hotshoe]

I’d take 44 past Waterville, Haneyville, Oleona, etc. and drive by Fin Fur and Further, Pat Reeder’s, Black Forrest Inn and Carter Camp B&B.

I literally, grew up in those places. My brother ran, FF&F.

 

[El-Jefe]

I don't buy the bulkshit that the playoff is designed to identify the 4 best teams. The idea is to identify the best team.
So if you have 5 primary conferences, and a 4 team playoff it should be the 4 highest ranked conference champions. Everything is objective, and the beauty contest subjective bullshit is out the window.

The playoff is designed to maximize TV revenue.

 

[NittanyLion84]

we drank, played cards and shot the Bull while listening to Penn State football.

Do White Claws qualify as drinking?😉

 

[mcpat]

I literally, grew up in those places. My brother ran, FF&F.

We raced snowmobiles at Black Forrest Inn. Good thing my mom didn’t know about it.

 

[Creek Side]

I’d take 44 past Waterville, Haneyville, Oleona, etc. and drive by Fin Fur and Further, Pat Reeder’s, Black Forrest Inn and Carter Camp B&B.

Pat Reeders is the best hole in the wall bar. Great food and all kinds of interesting folks to talk to. Had a conversation this past summer with a fellow and he happend to really start going off about some crazy stuff, then the funny thing about it is he said he gets most of his information from the BWI Test Board. Wanted to know if I ever heard of it. Lol

 

[Hotshoe]

I’d take 44 past Waterville, Haneyville, Oleona, etc. and drive by Fin Fur and Further, Pat Reeder’s, Black Forrest Inn and Carter Camp B&B.

FF&F, Absolutely, God's Country. When I go home, I don't fish or hunt, I simply sit along the cricks and woods and take it all in. I was privileged to grow up where I did. I used to do the same when I was a guide in Arizona. I would sit along the banks along creeks up on the Mogollion Rim. Nothing like home.

 

[nitlion6]

Pat Reeders is the best hole in the wall bar. Great food and all kinds of interesting folks to talk to. Had a conversation this past summer with a fellow and he happend to really start going off about some crazy stuff, then the funny thing about it is he said he gets most of his information from the BWI Test Board. Wanted to know if I ever heard of it. Lol

That's freaking scary.

 

[Hotshoe]

Pat Reeders is the best hole in the wall bar. Great food and all kinds of interesting folks to talk to. Had a conversation this past summer with a fellow and he happend to really start going off about some crazy stuff, then the funny thing about it is he said he gets most of his information from the BWI Test Board. Wanted to know if I ever heard of it. Lol

You're talking, Lock Haven?

 

[Creek Side]

Walk into Venture, seating on the right, small bar to the left. Claim to fame, fried chicken.

Venture Inn food had gone down in quality a little in my opinion but the Pine Creek Inn, Waterville Hotel, Happy Acres, and Pat Reeders are all still good. Black Forest is under new ownership, and Fin Fur and Feather has a diner open for breakfast and lunch but I've never been in.

 

[Lyons212]

Max had a bunch of close matches go his way last year, this year, that is not happening. The good thing about wrestling is that you can have a mediocre season, qualify for nationals, win 6 in a row and be a national champion. Dean will be fine, whether that is good enough to repeat as the champ, who knows.

 

[Hotshoe]

Pat Reeders is the best hole in the wall bar. Great food and all kinds of interesting folks to talk to. Had a conversation this past summer with a fellow and he happend to really start going off about some crazy stuff, then the funny thing about it is he said he gets most of his information from the BWI Test Board. Wanted to know if I ever heard of it. Lol

Well, I spent my week home at the Hillsgrove Hotel.!

 

[Hotshoe]

Venture Inn food had gone down in quality a little in my opinion but the Pine Creek Inn, Waterville Hotel, Happy Acres, and Pat Reeders are all still good. Black Forest is under new ownership, and Fin Fur and Feather has a diner open for breakfast and lunch but I've never been in.

Serious question, is the owner of the Waterville Hotel, still an asshole? Lol. McConnell's is the bomb in Waterville. Up north, Wolfe's is the Orvis shop in Cedar Run. 414, Slate Run. I've known the owners since I was young.

 

[Hotshoe]

Creek Side, mcpat, I'm coming back home in the Spring to actually fly fish with my brother. Drinks are on me for both of you. Give me a location.

 

[Creek Side]

Serious question, is the owner of the Waterville Hotel, still an asshole? Lol. McConnell's is the bomb in Waterville. Up north, Wolfe's is the Orvis shop in Cedar Run. 414, Slate Run. I've known the owners since I was young.

We ate there about a month ago and the wife waited on us. This is the second time I've spoke with her. She was really talkative and friendly but I believe her husband was running the bar and I've never dealt with him so I can't say. Yeah McConnell's has great subs and breakfast sandwiches. Plus when you're out there you don't have many options. Lol

 

[nitlion6]

If that's the case, then these guys shouldn't be on the mat potentially infecting who knows how many others. Period.

The only way they know they have RSV is they get swabbed. I doubt anybody is wrestling with a known viral respiratory infection.

 

[mcpat]

Creek Side, mcpat, I'm coming back home in the Spring to actually fly fish with my brother. Drinks are on me for both of you. Give me a location.

You’ll have to teach me to fly fish (I’m more of a Susquehanna River bass fisherman and even that is highly questionable), but keep me posted on you trip back home.

 

[Hotshoe]

We ate there about a month ago and the wife waited on us. This is the second time I've spoke with her. She was really talkative and friendly but I believe her husband was running the bar and I've never dealt with him so I can't say. Yeah McConnell's has great subs and breakfast sandwiches. Plus when you're out there you don't have many options. Lol

Yeah, but, GD, it's absolutely beautiful.

 

[Hotshoe]

You’ll have to teach me to fly fish (I’m more of a Susquehanna River bass fisherman and even that is highly questionable), but keep me posted on you trip back home.

Will do. It will be in April. I am never missing another trout season again.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

For those fans of other teams yukking it up about Max, it’ll be great fun to read those same posters come mid-March as Max is wrestling deep into the tournament

 

[Psugo823]

For those fans of other teams yukking it up about Max, it’ll be great fun to read those same posters come mid-March as Max is wrestling deep into the tournament

Oh make no mistake I fully expect it...but this weekend was a low point...now it's time to slowly climb back up...and peak in March.

 

[amattaro]

you can have a mediocre season, qualify for nationals, win 6 in a row and be a national champion.

Even Spencer might have a wussy excuse for not pulling that off.

 

[Gpago]

Is that Indiana County?

My mother was born and raised in Creekside near Indiana...

 

[SeamusGQuaker]

Penn State battled throughout that dual without RBY. The lighter weights battled as much as they can, but truthfully, they are kids who are asked to do a little more than what they're capable of at this point. That might change in the next few years, but they are kids living their dreams right now who would be very competitive at lower levels, much like the kids who are coming in at 125 next year. I wish the program could get a healthy, solid option at 125. I'm not worried about Dean, but honestly that's been the line he has been toeing for the last year finding a way to win. At times it bites you. He found a way in Detroit and will need that same magic to repeat. He needs short offense to be successful.
In terms of the Iowa dual meet, that was much more depressing from their perspective. In Carver, they likely should've lost if Kraisser doesn't attempt to hang in the inside trip position early. Spencer's performance wasn't inspiring even if he has two bum knees against a kid who would struggle to compete at the D3 level. He didn't look physically or mentally like he was where he needs to be to compete. If anyone is hopeful after that performance they are either complete idiots or wearing black and gold glasses. Even some of the mainstays in the Iowa line up looked rough against marginally decent competition. I really think that rivalry is turning in the other direction really soon.

 

[Junglekitty]

Quick Analysis:

125 Steen: Neither wrestler did much in this match. Steen defended a couple shots well, but literally never went to his offense. I am never disappointed in a loss ( ok maybe sometimes ), but I do get highly disappointed when a wrestler is down by 2 with a minute left, and does not attempt one attack. There is no difference to the team if you lose by 2 or 7, so go after a takedown!

133: Shindledecker: I give Karl a ton of credit. Was definitely undersized, but I think he battled the entire match. The stalling call on bottom was bogus. When the top wrestler has both legs in and is pushing on the back of the bottom guy's head, what is he supposed to do? He was fighting for leg position the entire time, and was trying to crawl forward which is awfully difficult with double boots in and a hand/forearm on the back of your head. I know that call did not determine the outcome of the match, but its then principle. You can tell Karl works with RBY with his footwork and I think he will be serviceable in due time.

141 BB: A really nice match put together by BB. His shot defense transitioning into the front head and arm offense was impressive. The only points HInes scored other than escapes was a really nice double that I will give props too. I honestly think BB racks up a few more points without the blood time allowing Hines to get a few breathers.

149 SVN: Most impressive performance of the day IMO. Definitely has the killer instinct. Seen a few posters mentioning he can get sloppy sometimes, which I won't totally disagree with, but I also think he is improving upon that every match. A match against a top ten guy will be really exciting.

157 BearClaw: Kind of surprised, kind of not. BearClaw has always had two he doesn't do particularly well. 1, getting off bottom, and 2 finishing shots which are the two things you definitely need to be above average at against a guy like Humphries. Humphries is very good on top, and I think even better at shot defense. However, to lose that match 6-3 with a riding time point; BearClaw shouldn't hang his head. He was in on a few shots, rode Humphries an entire period, and was able to get away. I see improvement and that is the name of the game until March.

165 Facundo: A little unusual one of our guys goes into the second period scoreless. I don't necessarily think it was a lack of effort however. Facundo was in on I think 2 shots that were defended and pushed the action in the first. He makes up for his scoreless first by wrestling an entire 7 minutes by getting a takedown late which also secured the riding time point. Another guy I am looking to see against someone in the top 10.

174 CStar: Didn't think CStar was going to put up as many points as he did the first part of the match. But CStar's pace, relentlessness, and skill set is a step above everyone else in the weight. And I think he goes another half a step above everyone when he gets a little irritated. So far, he's been able to keep it under control, but I do remember watching him in highschool take it a touch too far a few times. Not mentioning that in a negative way what so ever, but I know it was there at one point in his career.

184 Brooks: I can't help but think that there is a possibility Brooks is/was under the weather since the all star match. His movements look fluid as always, but after not wrestling on Friday, and IMO not quite looking like himself today, I just think maybe he has/had a bug. I don't mean to take anything away from Samuelson, but he's no Keckheisen.

197 Dean: I was hard on Dean last year for the way he relied on his top game to win matches, never really putting up a lot of points unless they came via tilt or bow and arrow. All he did was quietly make his way into the finals and win on Saturday night. For that reason, I'm not super worried. The things I'm slightly concerned about are hopefully easy fixes. If you're going to rely on your top game, you better be able to return your opponent efficiently, and consistently. Secondly, not allowing guys to finish almost all of their shots without much resistance simply can not happen. And last, getting to their legs more than once is a necessity. Again, these are not major issues, in fact, I think I remember saying something along these lines early in the season last year, especially after the Caffey match and by the end, he obviously had things figured out. As I already said, I am not super worried.

HWT Kerk: Um, yea.

Great overall showing, WE ARE!