Marinelli injury?

[82bordeaux]

I just rewatched the Marinelli / Griffith match and couldn't find any time within that match that Marinelli could have possibly "broken" a rib. It is quite apparent that the tough guy didn't enter the match with an injury as he fully displayed his bulling style until late in the match when most of the steam was gone (similar to what happened to the 2 of their finalist who lost in overtime). It appeared to me that it was more likely a replay of the RBY / Desanto fiasco.

Right at the end of the match he kind of reaches for right under his left pectoral. But for the life of me, I never saw where he could have broken a rib. It isn't easy to break a rib. Look at the hits football players routinely take. And speaking from experience, there are no ifs ands or buts about it. When you break it, you know it. When you crack one, you think you broke it. It literally takes your breath away.

 

[manmythlegend1]

Right at the end of the match he kind of reaches for right under his left pectoral. But for the life of me, I never saw where he could have broken a rib. It isn't easy to break a rib. Look at the hits football players routinely take. And speaking from experience, there are no ifs ands or buts about it. When you break it, you know it. When you crack one, you think you broke it. It literally takes your breath away.

This is just pure speculation but I know from experience pulling/tearing a rib Muscle can feel like you broke a rib

I believe its called a Intercostal Muscle Strain

If he did that, I can understand not being able to continue. It Hurts- A LOT when you do certain movements. Even Coughing or Sneezing can feel like a 7 on the pain scale 🥵

 

[1032004]

Rutgers fans think they have a good shot at Griffith. Of course they also think Suriano is coming back.

I don’t think he’ll go to Rutgers, but it’s a lot more likely than Iowa IMO. Rivera did transfer there from Northwestern after graduating.

 

[a_mshaffer]

I don’t think he’ll go to Rutgers, but it’s a lot more likely than Iowa IMO. Rivera did transfer there from Northwestern after graduating.

did he follow Mckenna to Stanford?

 

[PSUer1989]

This is just pure speculation but I know from experience pulling/tearing a rib Muscle can feel like you broke a rib

I believe its called a Intercostal Muscle Strain

If he did that, I can understand not being able to continue. It Hurts- A LOT when you do certain movements. Even Coughing or Sneezing can feel like a 7 on the pain scale 🥵

I have no idea what it was, but he looked like he was in physical pain standing up at the end. He also stopped to lean over (as if in pain) when he was off the mat, walking away. A trainer (?) came over and bent down to talk to him.

 

[bwfight]

Joe should be the 3 or 4 seed after a great year, but Cael suggests putting him at 8 and everyone agrees. Casey does what Casey does and Joe turns an earlier loss into a win. This may seem optimistic, but why couldn't Joe Lee make a giant leap forward between now and next March? I think he can and will.

I am definitely of the opinion that Joe Lee will make a quantum leap in his development during the coming year. I believe that once his strength and experience increases his aggressive style will make him a formidable wrestler who at a minimum will earn AA honors next year. I think many posters here were too quick to bail on Joe...the best is yet to come.

 

[PSU Mike]

He has won 3 B1G titles. He has 10 losses in his career, 9 are in March.

Very few non-tourney matches in March ...

 

[1032004]

did he follow Mckenna to Stanford?

Not sure what you mean?

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I just rewatched the Marinelli / Griffith match and couldn't find any time within that match that Marinelli could have possibly "broken" a rib. It is quite apparent that the tough guy didn't enter the match with an injury as he fully displayed his bulling style until late in the match when most of the steam was gone (similar to what happened to the 2 of their finalist who lost in overtime). It appeared to me that it was more likely a replay of the RBY / Desanto fiasco.

It seems like @El-Jefe pegged the Bull early. He consistently mentioned that someone who got a nickname in high school by physically bullying people might have trouble. He’s really good, but limited when the chips are really down and the comp is at its highest. The Big 10 titles are great, but, contrary to what Bo Schembechler thought, there are higher goals.

He certainly hasn’t matched the hype

 

[johnstownsteel]

I am definitely of the opinion that Joe Lee will make a quantum leap in his development during the coming year. I believe that once his strength and experience increases his aggressive style will make him a formidable wrestler who at a minimum will earn AA honors next year. I think many posters here were too quick to bail on Joe...the best is yet to come.

Joe to me looks like a 157. I wonder if he could get down to that if Brady cant return.

 

[Ja1339]

I see he’s coming back.

How much would you pay to see Joe Lee deck him on Friday night next year, or is that too cruel a thought?

Not that I wouldn’t love to see that.... but I’d be ecstatic just to see Joe still in the winners bracket on Friday night.

 

[District four]

And like Reslo himself said, EVERYONE is hurt at Nationals, hell Amine was wrestling with one eye.
If you asked each and every kid there, they would say they are wrestling for “ insert name”. Marinelli’s story was well known simply because somebody made a doc about it. I feel for ALL these kids, but dont expect me not to throw a jab in here and there to the enemy.

I have to say amine getting beat was one of the biggest surprises. He wrestled tough for four years and still couldnt get it done. Was hoping he would make a run

 

[Ja1339]

I am definitely of the opinion that Joe Lee will make a quantum leap in his development during the coming year. I believe that once his strength and experience increases his aggressive style will make him a formidable wrestler who at a minimum will earn AA honors next year. I think many posters here were too quick to bail on Joe...the best is yet to come.

I hope you’re right, I’ll be rooting for Joe and I would never doubt our coaches. But he appears to be a long way from there right now.

 

[amattaro]

Joe to me looks like a 157. I wonder if he could get down to that if Brady cant return.

This works out because I read here that Starocci doesnt look big for a 174 so he will probably be the first ever defending champion to drop a weight class the following year. We are set!

 

[District four]

I am definitely of the opinion that Joe Lee will make a quantum leap in his development during the coming year. I believe that once his strength and experience increases his aggressive style will make him a formidable wrestler who at a minimum will earn AA honors next year. I think many posters here were too quick to bail on Joe...the best is yet to come.

I'm with you on that one. I love his aggressive style I'm hoping Cael can bring him around and be more selective. Let's go jooeeee

 

[Zjocko]

I know you guys like to keep it classy but I cant help it. If excuses are for wusses I cant help but picture Lee was talking directly about Marinelli. I kid! I did rewatch the Griffith match, he does appear to hold his ribs. I didnt see that before, I was celebrating too much!

 

[Lyons212]

I am definitely of the opinion that Joe Lee will make a quantum leap in his development during the coming year. I believe that once his strength and experience increases his aggressive style will make him a formidable wrestler who at a minimum will earn AA honors next year. I think many posters here were too quick to bail on Joe...the best is yet to come.

Nick Lee is on the latest Baschamania podcast. He said one thing he had to learn was to not force upper body. I think he needs to talk to Joe about not forcing moves. That is Joe's biggest problem.

 

[Larryrise]

Joe to me looks like a 157. I wonder if he could get down to that if Brady cant return.

Barraclaugh...I'm telling you, he's going to be great and it's either 57 or 65 where he's going to do it.

 

[diggerpup]

I thought the new rumor was Bull punched a wall after losing to Griffith and stoved up his hand / wrist pretty darn good ?

Broken rib does not pass the “eye test” to me.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

If he wanted to be an NCAA champ, he should have come to Penn State.

That’s just math.

You know, if that would do it I'd be ok with him transferring. Would love to see the guy win one after all the effort he's put into these past 4 years. That being said, I love the guy, but the reality is that you have to be able to perform on the big stage and he's simply failed to do it. Hopefully he and Kemerer can pull it off next year, even if it has to be at PSU wrestlers' expense. LOL.

Coming full circle, back to your point, it is what it is. You all went 4-4 and that speaks volumes. And it says Cael and company know how to get the most of their wrestlers in the finals (and along the way). All of us Iowa guys can bitch and complain all they want about how you did it, what calls should have gone which way, etc., but in the end your fellas brought their A game and won. Unless it's a match like the Boo Lewallen - Josh Heil match where Heil clearly got robbed, there should be no BS whining and complaining. Either congratulate the guy or just bite your tongue (STFU). Very very impressive day for your four finalists! Hopefully next year it will be different, but at the very least it should be interesting.

 

[ClarencButthorn]

I thought the new rumor was Bull punched a wall after losing to Griffith and stoved up his hand / wrist pretty darn good ?

Broken rib does not pass the “eye test” to me.

LOL

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

Welp. It's not like he shined at nationals before the personal tragedies, so I'm not buying that as a reason for poor performance. It's pretty consistent with what he's done previously in his career.

I mentioned his tourney results during his three appearances on HR. He's always underperformed. And what I find worst of all is that if you look at his results, when he does lose it "appears" that he subsequently loses interest in continuing to bust his ass for third place. Case in point, 2018 NCAAs he loses a tight match to IMAR, but then gets pinned by McFadden and loses by 13 to Wick to finish 6th; 2019 NCAAs, ranked #1, loses to Lewis and then battles back to finish 7th; and now this year he loses to Griffith and then MFFs for whatever reason. I'm sure the reason was legit, but he looked pretty happy at the awards ceremony (definitely didn't look to be in pain), and I didn't see him wincing during the Griffith match, so not sure what the scoop was...heard it was a rib injury. I guess my only issue/concern was that as much pain as Spencer was going through during the tournament, and with the fact that when Alex MMF'd the tourney was far from being decided, I couldn't believe that he didn't at least give it a go. I know that's FUBAR on my part to think such a thing, but this is the NCAA tourney and there's no saving yourself for tomorrow, so for the team at least give it a try. And he looked too happy during the ceremony to have a broken rib. Was smiling too broad and moving around too easy. Just my two cents - and again, probably a bit fubar on my part. But when it's on the line, I want to see everyone giving all they've got and I just didn't feel that happened. But of course if he really does have a bad injury, I'm completely wrong with my FUBAR way of thinking...

 

[diggerpup]

LOL

Hey. Punching a wall is much more conceivable than then blood doping allegations that the mental midgets are dreaming up on your wacked-out, tin-foil hat board.

Most of the Iowa board believes in QAnon. 😆

 

[ClarencButthorn]

Hey. Punching a wall is much more conceivable than then blood doping allegations that the mental midgets are dreaming up on your wacked-out, tin-foil hat board.

Most of the Iowa board believes in QAnon. 😆

LOL

 

[nitlion6]

Joe should be the 3 or 4 seed after a great year, but Cael suggests putting him at 8 and everyone agrees. Casey does what Casey does and Joe turns an earlier loss into a win. This may seem optimistic, but why couldn't Joe Lee make a giant leap forward between now and next March? I think he can and will.

It was in reply to Lee decking Marinelli on Friday night next year (quarter-finals). Those pesky 8th seeded guys keep beating Marinelli on Friday nights and then just continuing on to a championship on Saturday night.

 

[1032004]

I know you guys like to keep it classy but I cant help it. If excuses are for wusses I cant help but picture Lee was talking directly about Marinelli. I kid! I did rewatch the Griffith match, he does appear to hold his ribs. I didnt see that before, I was celebrating too much!

Looks like it (and no not just a "broken heart")

 

[IANit]

He has already had both a grey and a red shirt year. Like it or not, this year was a PSU program veteran performance.

Sort of. The last 2 years combined are like 1 year in terms of competition.

 

[dsites52]

I know you guys like to keep it classy but I cant help it. If excuses are for wusses I cant help but picture Lee was talking directly about Marinelli. I kid! I did rewatch the Griffith match, he does appear to hold his ribs. I didnt see that before, I was celebrating too much!

Am I the only one that thought "excuses are for wussies" really loses a lot of it's punch after you list off a bunch of what could have been potential excuses? Like, sure. He won. But by his logic, bringing up his lack of ligaments is a "wuss" move.

 

[jack66]

I have a bad feeling about Joe, I hope I'm wrong but some of Cael's comments could be interpreted as being critical of him. He was obviously upset during his consolation loss and then he followed it up by saying it's pretty bad not to win the team title with four national champs then talked about Kerk and Howard's injuries. He expected more out of Joe imo.

Joe has wins over this year's 6th place finisher (Hartman), and 2nd place finisher (Wentzel).

He has the talent, give Casey and Cael time to coach him up.

 

[tabenn]

I am definitely of the opinion that Joe Lee will make a quantum leap in his development during the coming year. I believe that once his strength and experience increases his aggressive style will make him a formidable wrestler who at a minimum will earn AA honors next year. I think many posters here were too quick to bail on Joe...the best is yet to come.

I hope that you are right with Joe making a big jump, But Joe has been in that room for 3 years now. I do believe that the skills/ability are there--maybe the mental aspect is the issue? I hope the best for Joe, but I do believe that the staff will be looking for a 165 in the off season.

 

[IANit]

I hope that you are right with Joe making a big jump, But Joe has been in that room for 3 years now. I do believe that the skills/ability are there--maybe the mental aspect is the issue? I hope the best for Joe, but I do believe that the staff will be looking for a 165 in the off season.

The coaches should be doing whatever they can to make sure we get some points there next season.

 

[IANit]

Am I the only one that thought "excuses are for wussies" really loses a lot of it's punch after you list off a bunch of what could have been potential excuses? Like, sure. He won. But by his logic, bringing up his lack of ligaments is a "wuss" move.

The news about the ACL would have sounded better coming from Brands.

 

[PSU Mike]

It was in reply to Lee decking Marinelli on Friday night next year (quarter-finals). Those pesky 8th seeded guys keep beating Marinelli on Friday nights and then just continuing on to a championship on Saturday night.

I’ve seen this a couple times now. Aren’t quarters in the early session Friday, with semis Friday night? Sorry for nitpicking.

 

[McScoreley]

Joe has wins over this year's 6th place finisher (Hartman), and 2nd place finisher (Wentzel).

He has the talent, give Casey and Cael time to coach him up.

This - I was beating on this dead horse for a while. The kid literally looked like he forgot how to wrestle this year. He ragdolled Wentzel last year at the Southern Scuffle (he was lucky he never went under) but he nearly majored him. He pinned Hartman in 21 seconds at NLWC event (it would have been a good folk pin also, he went right into that bow and arrow). He had struggles on bottom against Thomas Bullard and Travis Wittlake but he notched 2 takedowns on them in one period, which is what you like to see. Last year, he showed a top game also, he seemingly tilted people with relative ease. He even pinned Connor Flynn (a guy Cenzo could only decision and has beaten Mekhi before) from the top position (think he just threw him back down to his back)

My theory is maybe it's a combination or injuries but the kid is clearly in his own head. I didn't think he could win this year but I was very confident we had a podium kid. I was waiting and waiting because Carter was in a funk out of the lockdown also and then figured it out.

 

[Brian LB-U]

Am I the only one that thought "excuses are for wussies" really loses a lot of it's punch after you list off a bunch of what could have been potential excuses? Like, sure. He won. But by his logic, bringing up his lack of ligaments is a "wuss" move.

Nobody’s questioning the kid’s toughness but I thought the same thing! Spencer has been a bit on edge all year, IMO. He’s no longer the happy go lucky kid we’ve come to know. If you go back and watch the press conferences that took place well before BIGs, he was testy then, too. My guess is the pressure of needing to win the team title - especially after last season - caught up with him. This might also explain why his teammates were gassed in the finals.

 

[82bordeaux]

This - I was beating on this dead horse for a while. The kid literally looked like he forgot how to wrestle this year. He ragdolled Wentzel last year at the Southern Scuffle (he was lucky he never went under) but he nearly majored him. He pinned Hartman in 21 seconds at NLWC event (it would have been a good folk pin also, he went right into that bow and arrow). He had struggles on bottom against Thomas Bullard and Travis Wittlake but he notched 2 takedowns on them in one period, which is what you like to see. Last year, he showed a top game also, he seemingly tilted people with relative ease. He even pinned Connor Flynn (a guy Cenzo could only decision and has beaten Mekhi before) from the top position (think he just threw him back down to his back)

My theory is maybe it's a combination or injuries but the kid is clearly in his own head. I didn't think he could win this year but I was very confident we had a podium kid. I was waiting and waiting because Carter was in a funk out of the lockdown also and then figured it out.

I think when he got caught and pinned by Ethan Smith, it messed up his head. Either that, or he was injured in that match. He never looked the same after that dual. And I thought at the time, he was on his way to beating Smith. Whatever it was, his trajectory changed after that match. I'm still a believer in Joe.
And judging by the coaching staff's apparent frustration with him, I think it is between his ears. A much easier fix.

 

[Dogwelder]

... My guess is the pressure of needing to win the team title - especially after last season - caught up with him. This might also explain why his teammates were gassed in the finals.

Spencer was supposed to lighten up that room but the room Branded him dark.

 

[ClarencButthorn]

Nobody’s questioning the kid’s toughness but I thought the same thing! Spencer has been a bit on edge all year, IMO. He’s no longer the happy go lucky kid we’ve come to know. If you go back and watch the press conferences that took place well before BIGs, he was testy then, too. My guess is the pressure of needing to win the team title - especially after last season - caught up with him. This might also explain why his teammates were gassed in the finals.

LOL

 

[McScoreley]

I think when he got caught and pinned by Ethan Smith, it messed up his head. Either that, or he was injured in that match. He never looked the same after that dual. And I thought at the time, he was on his way to beating Smith. Whatever it was, his trajectory changed after that match. I'm still a believer in Joe.
And judging by the coaching staff's apparent frustration with him, I think it is between his ears. A much easier fix.

I'd agree but he pinned that Maryland kid in the dual (which was after the Ohio State dual) then lost to that kid less than 2 weeks later in SV. He probably should have lost to that winless Wisconsin kid also. He beat Sparks after Sparks clearly got injured. He was at his ABSOLUTE WORST during Big Tens and NCAAs which brings me back to the, in his own head, pressure is on in that scenario.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

LOL

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