Michigan State sex abuse

[Nitwit]

"Michigan State accused of covering up worst sex abuse scandal in US sports". This is the headline of an article I just read online on Fox News. It contrasts Michigan State's coverup of abuse of perhaps 150 women with Penn State's investigation, which although we know was flawed, was at least public. I'm not sure how to link the article but it's an interesting read in that it mentions Penn State's handling of the Sandusky situation in a positive light. I'm not posting this to renew the discussion of Freeh or the BOT, but just to bring attention to how this is now being reported.

Here is an extract from the article:
“This is one of the largest and most prestigious public universities in the country, and they’ve engaged in the systemic protection of a child molester,” attorney John Manly, who is representing a majority of the victims, told Fox News. “Clearly Michigan State has a culture of secrecy. They have a report about 150 little girls being molested, and they’re not going to release it? That is outrageous. President [Lou Anna K.] Simon, release the report or resign.”

This is going to cost MSU a zillion dollars.

 

[marshall23]

MSU probably ends up spending less on this than PSU.
1. They are not dealing with a governor playing politics and using the states OAG for his own selfish motives.
2. The BOT at MSU for some inexplicable reason are not following the playbook written by the PSU OGBOT. Fire everyone....hire an "independent investigator" to publish a report blaming those who the BOT fired for everything that occurred.
3. Throw millions of dollars at all "accusers" and more $ to keep fellow trustees and others from source materials and other pertinent information that might shed doubt on "The Independent Investigation."
PS MSU paid 1 million for its independent investigation. PSU paid Freeh 8.3 million. The reason is pretty obvious.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

MSU probably ends up spending less on this than PSU.
1. They are not dealing with a governor playing politics and using the states OAG for his own selfish motives.
2. The BOT at MSU for some inexplicable reason are not following the playbook written by the PSU OGBOT. Fire everyone....hire an "independent investigator" to publish a report blaming those who the BOT fired for everything that occurred.
3. Throw millions of dollars at all "accusers" and more $ to keep fellow trustees and others from source materials and other pertinent information that might shed doubt on "The Independent Investigation."
PS MSU paid 1 million for its independent investigation. PSU paid Freeh 8.3 million. The reason is pretty obvious.

You mean the BoT at MSU isn’t going to throw one of its own to the wolves and might actually push back a smidge to protect their university???

Shocked!!! Shocked I am!!!!

 

[nits74]

Prestigious, Michigan State?

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

"Michigan State accused of covering up worst sex abuse scandal in US sports". This is the headline of an article I just read online on Fox News. It contrasts Michigan State's coverup of abuse of perhaps 150 women with Penn State's investigation, which although we know was flawed, was at least public. I'm not sure how to link the article but it's an interesting read in that it mentions Penn State's handling of the Sandusky situation in a positive light. I'm not posting this to renew the discussion of Freeh or the BOT, but just to bring attention to how this is now being reported.

Here is an extract from the article:
“This is one of the largest and most prestigious public universities in the country, and they’ve engaged in the systemic protection of a child molester,” attorney John Manly, who is representing a majority of the victims, told Fox News. “Clearly Michigan State has a culture of secrecy. They have a report about 150 little girls being molested, and they’re not going to release it? That is outrageous. President [Lou Anna K.] Simon, release the report or resign.”

This is going to cost MSU a zillion dollars.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/2...-up-worst-sex-abuse-scandal-in-us-sports.html

“There’s been no outside investigation as there was in Penn State and Baylor, and there’s over 150 victims, all of which are female,” Manly said. “In the context of sports sexual abuse, it is the largest sexual assault scandal in the history of sports.”

Simon said in a previous statement to trustees that there may have been nothing the school could’ve done.

“I have been told it is virtually impossible to stop a determined sexual predator and pedophile, that they will go to incomprehensible lengths to keep what they do in the shadows,” she said.

In 2012, Simon, who was the NCAA Executive Committee Chair at the time, said, “People make mistakes, and some of those are purposeful and premeditated, and if you just take the Penn State experience, pretty pervasive.”

Manly called Simon’s actions the “height of hypocrisy.”

“Michigan State University ignored complaints about Nassar going back to the 1990s, yet they continued to allow him to ‘treat’ me and other Olympic athletes,” Jamie Dantzscher, an Olympic Bronze Medalist in Artistic Gymnastics, told Fox News. “How many other Larry Nassars are out there right now abusing children who want nothing more than to pursue their Olympic dreams? We may never know. This has to end.”

 

[GA_panther]

MSU deserves no less than what PSU endured...It will be interesting if this effects the whole sports complex or limited to gymnastics....like many of you, I doubt the NCAA or MSU will handle properly....

 

[pandaczar12]

MSU deserves no less than what PSU endured...It will be interesting if this effects the whole sports complex or limited to gymnastics....like many of you, I doubt the NCAA or MSU will handle properly....

Considering what PSU endured for a fake scandal, being punished for the off-campus crimes of an ex-employee, MSU deserves far worse for their very real scandal.

 

[wensilver]

MSU probably ends up spending less on this than PSU.
1. They are not dealing with a governor playing politics and using the states OAG for his own selfish motives.
2. The BOT at MSU for some inexplicable reason are not following the playbook written by the PSU OGBOT. Fire everyone....hire an "independent investigator" to publish a report blaming those who the BOT fired for everything that occurred.
3. Throw millions of dollars at all "accusers" and more $ to keep fellow trustees and others from source materials and other pertinent information that might shed doubt on "The Independent Investigation."
PS MSU paid 1 million for its independent investigation. PSU paid Freeh 8.3 million. The reason is pretty obvious.

Actually, what MSU will eventually spend will far eclipse PSU, in my opinion.

• PSU just set the bar for the lawyers and there are over 100 claimants
• They will weaponize the Freeh report and use his "facts" against Simon, because Simon simply ran with Freeh's conclusions. The Freeh report is the gift that keeps on giving.

I will be curious if these lawyers drag Mark Emmert & his NCAA Executive Committee into this - because Simon was the NCAA Executive Committee Chair that oversaw the discussion and approval of the NCAA resolution on Sexual Violence Prevention. The statement she released on August 6, 2014 was just after the Title IX investigation into Nassar was closed in July 2014 and it states this:

Now, Therefore, Be It Resolved, that the Executive Committte recognizes the importance of addressing the abhorrent societal issue of sexual violence, especially when it occurs on our campuses. The Executive Committee acknowledges that it is our members' collective responsibility to maintain campuses as safe places to learn, live, work and play.

Her now closed Title IX investigation concerned a female MSU student/athlete complaining directly to the MSU Title IX Office of an MSU faculty member in the MSU athletic department sexually assaulting her on the MSU campus.

This student/athlete was told she did not understand the "nuanced difference" of a valid medical treatment versus sexual assault. It is critical to note, that this one female's complaint of Nassar's assault against her - contained more evidence of a crime than did anything McQueary ever provide in any of his ever-evolving stories, and anything Freeh "found" in his report.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

When this broke and continued to grow it was said here there won't be any real national attention. There is no icon to destroy and the ratings won't be big enough. I'm not surprised it's merely a small blip on the radar.

 

[marshall23]

Actually, what MSU will eventually spend will far eclipse PSU, in my opinion.

• PSU just set the bar for the lawyers and there are over 100 claimants
• They will weaponize the Freeh report and use his "facts" against Simon, because Simon simply ran with Freeh's conclusions. The Freeh report is the gift that keeps on giving.

I will be curious if these lawyers drag Mark Emmert & his NCAA Executive Committee into this - because Simon was the NCAA Executive Committee Chair that oversaw the discussion and approval of the NCAA resolution on Sexual Violence Prevention. The statement she released on August 6, 2014 was just after the Title IX investigation into Nassar was closed in July 2014 and it states this:

Now, Therefore, Be It Resolved, that the Executive Committte recognizes the importance of addressing the abhorrent societal issue of sexual violence, especially when it occurs on our campuses. The Executive Committee acknowledges that it is our members' collective responsibility to maintain campuses as safe places to learn, live, work and play.

Her now closed Title IX investigation concerned a female MSU student/athlete complaining directly to the MSU Title IX Office of an MSU faculty member in the MSU athletic department sexually assaulting her on the MSU campus.

This student/athlete was told she did not understand the "nuanced difference" of a valid medical treatment versus sexual assault. It is critical to note, that this one female's complaint of Nassar's assault against her - contained more evidence of a crime than did anything McQueary ever provide in any of his ever-evolving stories, and anything Freeh "found" in his report.

You may well be correct. I have been told by attorneys in negotiations that one instance does not establish precedent. If so, there are for more examples out there where victims have been awarded substantially less than the PSU claimants. MSU may also wish to follow the Vioxx strategy and fight the non-MSU athlete claims one by one. That would of course be a potential double edged sword. I believe MSU has options, since despite the magnitude of the crimes (and quantity) it appears there is very little outrage.

 

[SLion]

When this broke and continued to grow it was said here there won't be any real national attention. There is no icon to destroy and the ratings won't be big enough. I'm not surprised it's merely a small blip on the radar.

Exactly. PSU story was nightly news and every lead network story for months. It was earnings bonanza for stations due to Joe and his clean image. People who never followed football (or even knew Joe other than that old coach) suddenly claimed he was Satan Incarnate. Also told a PSU degree will exclude you from hiring process as companies will filter out keyword. Doubt MSU will ever get that treatment.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Exactly. PSU story was nightly news and every network for months. It was earning Bonanza due to Joe and clean image. People who never followed football (or even knew Joe other than that old coach) suddenly claimed he was Satan Incarnate. Doubt MSU will ever get that treatment

They won't, the story is repulsive and huge, but it's a story you'll see on 60 minutes instead of around the clock coverage. The media is run by ratings, not how big the story is...how much they can milk it for or how much they can influence their brand so to speak.

 

[Carl Spackler]

The shock factor is not there as it was with PSU. PSU set itself up for the media crush with the constant "success with honor", the lack of ANY major NCAA violations-ever, squeaky clean and education first routine. It sounds great to us who are alums and fans but to other schools and their supporters it sounds like grandstanding and hollier than though verbiage that belittles their schools as less.

While being ethical, putting education first, having a squeaky clean image is admirable and something to be proud of we have to realize that others are jealous and envious and angry about our situation. Add in that a major rival produces a majority of talking heads with their communications dept. (Syracuse) and they hate us first and foremost making any negative news their goal so this was a bonanza for their ego's and ratings.

It was a perfect storm before any BOT transgressions and that only snowballed the entire effort against PSU and mainly Joe as a person.

MSU, while this was a long term KNOWN issue and happening on campus doesn't' have any of they above points that I can see so many saying this won't become a media firestorm are correct. I don't wish it does but I do want it fully prosecuted and justice levied against all who did it, covered it up or had any involvement in it.

 

[BobPSU92]

Exactly. PSU story was nightly news and every lead network story for months. It was earnings bonanza for stations due to Joe and his clean image. People who never followed football (or even knew Joe other than that old coach) suddenly claimed he was Satan Incarnate. Also told a PSU degree will exclude you from hiring process as companies will filter out keyword. Doubt MSU will ever get that treatment.

michigan state grads don’t get jobs anyway.

 

[lurkerlion]

You may well be correct. I have been told by attorneys in negotiations that one instance does not establish precedent. If so, there are for more examples out there where victims have been awarded substantially less than the PSU claimants. MSU may also wish to follow the Vioxx strategy and fight the non-MSU athlete claims one by one. That would of course be a potential double edged sword. I believe MSU has options, since despite the magnitude of the crimes (and quantity) it appears there is very little outrage.

Perhaps outrage will be manufactured as negotiations progress. The MSU victims include nationally known gold medalists. If they go on national tv and turn on the emotions it could ignite outrage quickly.

 

[jimjim47]

Exactly. PSU story was nightly news and every lead network story for months. It was earnings bonanza for stations due to Joe and his clean image. People who never followed football (or even knew Joe other than that old coach) suddenly claimed he was Satan Incarnate. Also told a PSU degree will exclude you from hiring process as companies will filter out keyword. Doubt MSU will ever get that treatment.

Now you know why Sparty is sometimes referred to as "little brother".

 

[wensilver]

 

[NittPicker]

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The failures at MSU were purposeful, premeditated and pretty pervasive.

 

[AdvanSix]

"Michigan State accused of covering up worst sex abuse scandal in US sports". This is the headline of an article I just read online on Fox News. It contrasts Michigan State's coverup of abuse of perhaps 150 women with Penn State's investigation, which although we know was flawed, was at least public. I'm not sure how to link the article but it's an interesting read in that it mentions Penn State's handling of the Sandusky situation in a positive light. I'm not posting this to renew the discussion of Freeh or the BOT, but just to bring attention to how this is now being reported.

Here is an extract from the article:
“This is one of the largest and most prestigious public universities in the country, and they’ve engaged in the systemic protection of a child molester,” attorney John Manly, who is representing a majority of the victims, told Fox News. “Clearly Michigan State has a culture of secrecy. They have a report about 150 little girls being molested, and they’re not going to release it? That is outrageous. President [Lou Anna K.] Simon, release the report or resign.”

This is going to cost MSU a zillion dollars.

Almost as bad as Sandusky. Almost

 

[PSUMATT85]

Almost as bad as Sandusky. Almost

Much worse

 

[pandaczar12]

Almost as bad as Sandusky. Almost

Depends on your point of view, since Sandusky wasn't really a PSU scandal. So from that point of view, the MSU/UM Nassar Scandal is >>>>> greater than 0.

If you are looking just at the perpetrator, Nassar abused for many more years, and had over 10x the victims. Just because Nassar doesn't get ratings, doesn't make it less terrible. Of course you wouldn't know that because you didn't hear it on TV.