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Me too. And I find it odd that Spencer makes it a point in so many interviews this year to make it clear he's the one calling the shots.

I'm not sure if I want to give Tom credit for the perfect "Troll Job" on Spencer yet or not. If he did what I think he did, I think Tom is freaking Brilliant! Especially in the eyes of his athletes.
 
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The first paragraph was the come on man inducing response.

The second paragraph is a mom being a mom. It happens, no hard feelings. I’m telling you, this has already blown over.
I dunno but I heard Drake's Mom wants a match with Larry Lee. Something said about Ragdolling him.

Just trying to make you proud of me JTS!
 
Me too. And I find it odd that Spencer makes it a point in so many interviews this year to make it clear he's the one calling the shots.

I'm not sure if I want to give Tom credit for the perfect "Troll Job" on Spencer yet or not. If he did what I think he did, I think Tom is freaking Brilliant! Especially in the eyes of his athletes.
So the question is, is Spencer a prima donna who thinks he's bigger than the entire program? Someone mentioned earlier that it's easy to morph into that when the entire fanbase treats him as a deity.

The most interesting aspect of all this is the interplay between Spencer and Brands. The taunting his teammate and stuff isn't good, but it's relatively minor overall. What does what happened yesterday reveal about the relationship between the superstar athlete and his coach?
 
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Simple yes or no. If you are a coach and one of your athletes keeps saying he's the one calling the shots and will wrestle when he decides he wants to wrestle, would you consider that to be disrespectful towards you?

RBY made a comment like that earlier in the year and I didn't care for that either.
I think in RBY'S case, he and Cael had discussed his expectations by returning for his 5th year. Cael mentioned that RBY had earned the right to determine when he would wrestle. I don't think it was done or said in a disrespectful way towards Cael personally. That's just my 2 cents.
 
Exactly. It’s supposed to be some type of insult to Lee that Ayala didn’t want to medical forfeit, but wanted to wrestle. That the kid wanted to wrestle is a positive. In the grand scheme of things this isn’t really a big deal, but I think it does reveal some arrogance on Lee’s part.
What doesn't make sense about the whole ordeal, is why a 3x NCAA champ felt so compelled to win Son of Midlands, especially after saying "I'm done."

It's not like forfeiting would've made anybody think any less of him. Everybody would've said he got in his matches, and it's just Son of Midlands.

And if he cares what Ayala's mom says on social media ... woof.
 
I don’t know how I feel in this case. Sometimes a wrestlers idea of what’s best for him isn’t the same as the coaches idea. Personally, I think Lee thought shutting it down for the weekend was best for him and felt it was the coaches place to instruct his unattached wrestler in redshirt to FF. Spencer, with his own ideas on how to be at his peak health wise in March and also being an all time Hawkeye great didn’t feel he should be the one FFing and earned the right to walk out there and get his hand raised. I just think Brands was giving the kid he’s gonna have in his lineup the next 3 years the chance to compete and if Spencer wanted to sit it out it would be him taking the FF.

On a related note, is it just me or does it seem like Spencer relishes in letting everyone know he’s calling the shots and wrestles when he he chooses to wrestle? It just seems like every interview he gives this year he makes it a point thatvhe makes the call. IMO, Brands made a “power play” last night. If you want to sit out then sit out but you’ll be the one FFing.
Yep. Spencer is too big for his own shorts. That kind of arrogance comes before a big fall just my opinion before the Iowa nuts start coming unglued lol. Oh wait they are unglued anyhow so carry on
 
I also think that a backup should be able to challenge the starter for the spot several times in any given season. If the only way to get a challenge match is in a tournament (and it sounds like it was), then that’s where it needs to happen.
Do we really think SL losing in this tournament would have gone over very well or if he got injured. Brands should have even avoided the possibility of that happening. There was far too much to lose as opposed to what they could have gained. Just my view.
 
LOL. I haven't needed a safe space since I did this. You just annoy me.
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Nice! I was 4th battalion 31st infantry at Fort Drum from 1998-2002.
 
What doesn't make sense about the whole ordeal, is why a 3x NCAA champ felt so compelled to win Son of Midlands, especially after saying "I'm done."

It's not like forfeiting would've made anybody think any less of him. Everybody would've said he got in his matches, and it's just Son of Midlands.

And if he cares what Ayala's mom says on social media ... woof.
Yeah, I had the same question - If he rather not wrestle, why would Spencer Lee give a crap about winning the inaugural, super-prestigious Solder Salute tournament (essentially the Iowa Hawkeye Invitational)? Why not just forfeit the final?

Something doesn't quite add up ...
 
I can’t wait to check this thread (and it’s equivalent on HR) later tonight.
 
I answered the question as asked.

That said, I haven’t seen the interviews myself; that’s why I said I needed to see more first.
I’m sure they are out there somewhere…. I know I’ve seen more than a handful this year where he says “it’s my decision”. I know because i cringe every time he says it because it just always seems disrespectful for him to say it out loud even if it’s true. And to me he says it in an arrogant way.

Just listen to his first interview after winning the title last night. In Spencer fashion (this season anyway) he made it a point to say “It was MY decision”.

Yeah, it was your decision Spencer. I just think you got pissed that Tom put a challenger out there in front of you to have to make the decision. If he did that, I think Tom is a genius and his next crop will be clear on who runs things around there.
 
I agree with… Spencer has every right to set his own schedule at this point (as does RBY). Spencer has no right to tell someone else, teammate or not, when to wrestle or not. That’s being a control freak/dick.
I personally don’t think Spencer was telling Ayala to sit. I think he was telling his coach you need to tell him to sit. True, I’m speculating but so is everyone else. Im bored and need something to do until Im forced to go out tonight. Lol
 
I’m sure they are out there somewhere…. I know I’ve seen more than a handful this year where he says “it’s my decision”. I know because i cringe every time he says it because it just always seems disrespectful for him to say it out loud even if it’s true. And to me he says it in an arrogant way.

Just listen to his first interview after winning the title last night. In Spencer fashion (this season anyway) he made it a point to say “It was MY decision”.

Yeah, it was your decision Spencer. I just think you got pissed that Tom put a challenger out there in front of you to have to make the decision. If he did that, I think Tom is a genius and his next crop will be clear on who runs things around there.
Are you saying he’ll be the sheriff and the mayor?
 
Those paying attention already know that Spencer said “I’m done” as he walked off the mat after his semifinal match.

But what folks missed was that it was in response to Terry saying “throw me”.
When I saw Terry saying that after the kid just won I was just embarrassed for him. Trying to get a Sports center moment with a planned stunt like that, sad.
I mean you can defend it if people try to criticize the performance lol. He’s obviously still recovering from his double acl surgery in terms of conditioning and rust and he’s got people writing paragraphs due to him only majoring the kid. And the Junior World champ reference is relevant in pointing out that he’s not some scrub who’s just going to roll over.
Excuses are for wussies.
 
I think in RBY'S case, he and Cael had discussed his expectations by returning for his 5th year. Cael mentioned that RBY had earned the right to determine when he would wrestle. I don't think it was done or said in a disrespectful way towards Cael personally. That's just my 2 cents.
I just thought it should be something left unsaid. You are right though, he didn’t seem to be trying to disrespect anyone or put himself in a special category but maybe I feel differently if I’m a Hawk fan and hear it. I’m bias after all. And I heard it once and only once from him. Not over and over and over again.
 
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Seems to me this entire situation is something coaches should have had under control before the tournament even started. Poor communication.
Spot on with this one Roar. I wonder if the optics of Spencer gassing in the semis had anything to do with it. If Spencer techs or pins his way to finals then no one thinks twice about him sitting. With some thinking Ayala may be his biggest challenge to date, Spencer may have thought it wouldn’t be a good look sitting out after having just gassed. Maybe Spencer was looking for Tom to sit Ayala so it didn’t appear to be Spencer sitting out of the match.
 
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Seems to me this entire situation is something coaches should have had under control before the tournament even started. Poor communication.
And completely foreseeable. This wasn't exactly a world team trials bracket. The only other guy with any chance of sniffing the finals was Berginc, who's ranked 22 and losing to Ayalamore often than not.
 
I also think that a backup should be able to challenge the starter for the spot several times in any given season. If the only way to get a challenge match is in a tournament (and it sounds like it was), then that’s where it needs to happen.
True, but the starter making weight mid week is tough.
 
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Seems to me this entire situation is something coaches should have had under control before the tournament even started. Poor communication.
What were the coaches supposed to tell Spencer "Don't show us or your teammate up, or otherwise act like a dick, because Drake is competing unattached, paying his way, and it'll be his decision to MFF the finals (or not) if you both meet?"

(Meaning, there are some things typically left unsaid between coach and athlete.)
 
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What were the coaches supposed to tell Spencer "Don't show us or your teammate up, or otherwise act like a dick, because Drake is competing unattached, paying his way, and it'll be his decision to MFF the finals (or not) if you both meet?"

(Meaning, there are some things typically left unsaid between coach and athlete.)
The coaches should have discussed the possibility of them both making the finals and discussed with them in advance how it would be handled.
 
What were the coaches supposed to tell Spencer "Don't show us or your teammate up, or otherwise act like a dick, because Drake is competing unattached, paying his way, and it'll be his decision to MFF the finals (or not) if you both meet?"

(Meaning, there are some things typically left unsaid between coach and athlete.)
I get what you're saying but Spencer would wet himself laughing at "paying his way." Ayala could jog from his apartment to Coralville and maybe not break a sweat.
 
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There are so many unknowns.

Pure speculation: If the pre-discussed plan was for Ayala to MFF and then he didn’t (competing unattached, he couldn’t be forced to), would that change your mind about Spencer’s mannerisms?

I’m not saying that happened. But it’s one of endless possibilities. We just don’t know.
 
I hope Tom addresses some of the Hawk negativity in which I’m being paid to spread..

“Well,…you know, we have two opinionated guys, two Alpha Males (if you will), like bulls locking horns… each with differing views… maybe with different thoughts on how to be successful…blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah….”



“And blah…”

“Did I mention we really like our guys”?
 
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