I think the head to head gives Nick the 3 seed. I’m not saying he’d be better off there though...
NCAA seeds for Penn State
- Thread starter dmm53
- Start date
I completely agree with the thinking that Hall getting the #2 seed will make coaches not want their guys in the All-Star matches in the future; however, that is where Mark's going to land. In both the final Coaches' panel and RPI it was Valencia 1, Hall 2.
I really don't want Nevills to hit Dhesi. That dude is on fire.
Isn't there a final one that comes out after the conference tournies (it may have but I haven't seen it)?
I'm thinking the Hall over Amine again in finals could be the push to get him higher on RPI and coaches rankings. Both of these guys wrestled all the top guys
5 or 6. Depends on how they view him against Stoll. Stoll did win Midlands where Dhesi had a rough go.
It's either a Stoll or Dhesi quarterfinal for Nevills.
Somehow, the NFL manages to ignore pre-season results when they are seeding the post season. Shouldn't be hard.
Great point..hopefully the Mets have the best preseason this spring. Maybe they get seeded over Nationals
I’ll try this out
125 - n/a
Cruz
Tomasello
Lee
Suriano
*I don’t think Suriano should be seeded ahead of Lee after defaulting out of the tournament. Lee’s only losses are to tomasello ( who he also beat ) and Bresser. I know suriano has no losses. Best wins were bresser 7-6 I think and riviera 4-1 who lee just teched.
133 - Keener unseeded
Gross
Micic
Brock
Pletcher
141 - Lee 8/9
Meredith
Eierman
Yanni D
McKenna
149 - train 1
Retherford
Sorenson
Leeth
Kolodzik
157 - Nolf - 2
Hidlay
Nolf
Lavelle
Kem
165 - Cenzo 3
Imar
McFadden
Cenzo
Walsh
*gonna be real interesting where guys like marinelli and mass end up. Probably most excited about this weight
174 - Hall 1
Hall
Valencia
Lewis
Kutler
*I don’t know how anyone can justify a returning undefeated national champ anything but the 1. Won’t be surprised with 2, but the 1 is my prediction
184 - Nickal 1
Nickal
Martin
Renda
Preisch
197 - Shak 6
Darmsdadt
Haught
Moore
Miklus
285 - NN 3
Snyder
Coon
Nevills
Kasper
With Snyder and Coon each beating each other, any chance coon gets the 1? Snyder’s win is more recent but did not wrestle a full season. Will that hurt him? I don’t see anyone else making the finals so it don’t matter but just a topic of conversation
125 - n/a
Cruz
Tomasello
Lee
Suriano
*I don’t think Suriano should be seeded ahead of Lee after defaulting out of the tournament. Lee’s only losses are to tomasello ( who he also beat ) and Bresser. I know suriano has no losses. Best wins were bresser 7-6 I think and riviera 4-1 who lee just teched.
133 - Keener unseeded
Gross
Micic
Brock
Pletcher
141 - Lee 8/9
Meredith
Eierman
Yanni D
McKenna
149 - train 1
Retherford
Sorenson
Leeth
Kolodzik
157 - Nolf - 2
Hidlay
Nolf
Lavelle
Kem
165 - Cenzo 3
Imar
McFadden
Cenzo
Walsh
*gonna be real interesting where guys like marinelli and mass end up. Probably most excited about this weight
174 - Hall 1
Hall
Valencia
Lewis
Kutler
*I don’t know how anyone can justify a returning undefeated national champ anything but the 1. Won’t be surprised with 2, but the 1 is my prediction
184 - Nickal 1
Nickal
Martin
Renda
Preisch
197 - Shak 6
Darmsdadt
Haught
Moore
Miklus
285 - NN 3
Snyder
Coon
Nevills
Kasper
With Snyder and Coon each beating each other, any chance coon gets the 1? Snyder’s win is more recent but did not wrestle a full season. Will that hurt him? I don’t see anyone else making the finals so it don’t matter but just a topic of conversation
The NFL does not believe in the eye test. If the NFL selected their playoff teams in a manner similar to the NCAA does for anything other than men's basketball the Dallas Cowboys would be the number one seed every year, records not mattering.
Nick and AJ together at Nationals....Has to be a great feeling for the family....Looking forward to Nick been high up on the podium....
NICK HAS TWO WEEKS TO HIT THE WEIGHTS HARD !!!!
Great post, but not sure I agree with your conclusion that Valencia has a slight advantage based on Roar's criteria. I acknowledge that your post was based on pre-B1G data. But if we add in the B1G results, it seems that quality wins (#2) favors Hall, as does conference tourney placement (#6), assuming the seeders take into account who each wrestler had to beat to win their conf title (i.e., strength of tourney schedule). If so, here's one way to look at it that suggests Hall should have the clear advantage:
For categories where there's no way to distinguish between Hall and Valencia I split the points between them. For the other categories I gave all the points to whomever has the advantage. I'm sure this is a flawed way to measure it, but I'm just making a feeble attempt to quantify some fuzzy factors. (BTW, I pulled my data and rankings from wrestlestat and I only looked at top 30 for quality wins.)
Does any of this matter? Not really, at least as it relates to Hall and Valencia since they will be on opposite sides of the bracket regardless who gets the #1. But there are other scenarios where it could matter, and it does matter if the decision-makers are not transparent and fair in how they arrive at their ranking decision. It seems pretty clear from the coaches' ranking that they have been considering the All Star exhibition match all year to put Zahid ahead of Mark. If that's how they are going to do it, fine, but they need to be honest about that and accept the implications for who will participate in exhibition matches going forward. It makes me wonder if there's ever been an analogous situation but where the only H2H result between two otherwise undefeated wrestlers occurred in an off-season freestyle match. Would the seeders treat that situation differently? If so, why?
You are way overthinking this. Conference Tourney Placement means Mark 1, Zahid 1. That's all.
RPI factors in strength of schedule, so there is no need to double-dip RPI into the conference tourneys. Also, if they're gonna do that, then cut to the chase and write another criterion that says "B10 champ gets an extra 10 points," because the B10 champ will have the toughest qualifying tourney in nearly every weight, every year.
Thank you, but just to be clear that entire post was copy pasted from Roar's post in the thread titled "remaining undefeated wrestlers." None of which was my original thought, that was Roar's take on the Hall/Valencia situation as of Feb. 13 which was obviously before the Big10 tournament.
But they have--he has been ranked 2nd all year--I dont see this changing at natty
Definitely want Stoll in the quarters. Deshi is wrestling well, Nevills has beaten Stoll twice and Iowa usually does a choke job at NCAA's.
Guys, take it easy on Vodka's 2nd cousin Malibu Rum.. He's a rational PSU fan that obviously has some insight into how coaches influence the seeding meetings that we are not aware of.
Similar threads
