No Sex Scandal at Penn State, Just A "Political Hit Job"

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Nah...he forgot about the whole thing once Jerry was cleared in 98. I can't believe he even remembers he had notes or even remembered who Jerry was.

No, maybe he remembered what the named Subject Matter Experts and Authority under the applicable code, PA CPS Law, (as well as the "Primary Care & Custody Entity", TSM's, State-Regulator and -Licensor) had to say about the matter in their published Final Investigative Report:

• It is perfectly normal under the circumstances for the Charity's Counselor to be using the same communal shower as a TSM Participant at an athletic facility being used by the Charity to host one of its Registered Programs (i.e., Registered under their State-Licensing) that only has a communal showers in its locker room.
• The TSM Counselor in question, Sandusky, was completely innocent of any wrongdoing in regard to the incident given the circumstances of the event.

Yep, all sane and rationale people would have ignored the OFFICIAL STATE AGENCY PUBLISHED INVESTIGATIVE REPORT and would instead have gone by a jotted note at the initiation of the investigation written before they even knew precisely what happened. Yep, that's it, that's the ticket...

 

[getmyjive11]

No, maybe he remembered what the named Subject Matter Experts and Authority under the applicable code, PA CPS Law, (as well as the "Primary Care & Custody Entity", TSM's, State-Regulator and -Licensor) had to say about the matter in their published Final Investigative Report:

• It is perfectly normal under the circumstances for the Charity's Counselor to be using the same communal shower as a TSM Participant at an athletic facility being used by the Charity to host one of its Registered Programs (i.e., Registered under their State-Licensing) that only has a communal showers in its locker room.
• The TSM Counselor in question, Sandusky, was completely innocent of any wrongdoing in regard to the incident given the circumstances of the event.

Yep, all sane and rationale people would have ignored the OFFICIAL STATE AGENCY PUBLISHED INVESTIGATIVE REPORT and would instead have gone by a jotted note at the initiation of the investigation written before they even knew precisely what happened. Yep, that's it, that's the ticket...

"Oh, Jerry was just bear hugging the kid in 98? And he was told not to shower with boys anymore? God bless him!!! Just a nice guy doing nice guy things!"

You think that was his thought process?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Nah...he forgot about the whole thing once Jerry was cleared in 98. I can't believe he even remembers he had notes or even remembered who Jerry was 3 whole years later. Hmmm, Jerry, Jerry who? I vaguely remember a guy working here by that name a while back...what did he do again? That's odd...first I heard of such actions.

If someone here was in sales...they would be starving.

No, maybe he remembered what the named Subject Matter Experts and Authority under the applicable code, PA CPS Law, (as well as the "Primary Care & Custody Entity", TSM's, State-Regulator and -Licensor) had to say about the matter in their published Final Investigative Report:

• It is perfectly normal under the circumstances for the Charity's Counselor to be using the same communal shower as a TSM Participant at an athletic facility being used by the Charity to host one of its Registered Programs (i.e., Registered under their State-Licensing) that only has a communal showers in its locker room.
• The TSM Counselor in question, Sandusky, was completely innocent of any wrongdoing in regard to the incident given the circumstances of the event.

Yep, all sane and rationale people would have ignored the OFFICIAL STATE AGENCY PUBLISHED INVESTIGATIVE REPORT and would instead have gone by a jotted note at the initiation of the investigation written before they even knew precisely what happened. Yep, that's it, that's the ticket...

BTW, it's odd that you misrepresent Schultz's actions in 2001 - he didn't act like he never heard of 1998; in reality, and according to the factual record, he reviewed the 1998 incident including the ultimate resolution one would presume (i,e., the DPW Investigative Report which exonerated both the behavior [being in the communal shower at the athletic facility] and the TSM Counselor involved, Sandusky, due to the circumstances of the event). This is perfectly consistent with Schultz's notes on the 2001 matter which did not state PSU's issue being that Jerry was in the shower with the TSM Participant after a TSM Registered Athletic Program, "Friends & Fitness", -- his note cited PSU's primary concern in the incident was the fact that Sandusky was ALONE in the building with the TSM Participant -- a foolish thing to do and a violation of most Policies & Procedures of Primary Care & Custody entities dealing with children, especially those dealing with "at-risk children", who are MORE PRONE, not less, to make false reports of child-abuse including CSA. Not only a foolish thing to do, but an action that created risk for PSU as they had authorized TSM to use the facilities, which is why Schultz's notes reflect that TSM was to be told that Sandusky was not permitted to use the facilities ALONE and isolated in the building like that - his note didn't say that TSM, and TSM Participants, should be banned altogether from PSU facilities!

 

[bdgan]

Not sure he thought he was a serial pedophile at all...but at the very least some low level suspicions were there of something not being right. People can try and spin that away, but it was his notes. He may have had a change of heart later on, but when 2001 came back up and he reviewed them...it probably triggered some thought. I mean an idiot like Bushwood would think Schultz forgot about a nationally known DC being investigated, retiring, and then having it happen a 3 years later. His memory was wiped clean...sure.

1. I don't think MM told him (or Curley) about sexual assault. If he did, his dad, Dranov, and Joe all lied. It makes no sense that MM spilled his guts to C&S but wouldn't open up to his own father (that night or later).
2. I agree that Shultz should have had some low level suspicion even with MM giving a "soft" report because had some knowledge of the 1998 incident.
3. C/S/S failed miserably in their administrative duties. An organization the size of PSU should have clear policies on how to handle this kind of issue. They should have documented MM's statement in writing (they could still keep it confidential). That way there is no way MM's report should be up for debate 10 years later.
4. I'm OK with Curley talking directly with JS to hear his side before going directly to the agencies. I would expect JS's response to have been documented as well. It obviously was not documented and that's another failure.
5. These failures aside, I haven't seen any evidence that PSU covered things up in order to protect football. They told Raykovitz, they didn't tell MM to keep quiet, they discussed MM's report with counsel, and they allowed JS to return to campus (just not with kids). And that's what this case (sanctions, media reports, etc) is all about. It's not about PSU administrators screwing up. It's about football being more important than child welfare.

Wrt Sandusky I definitely believe he had a problem. He should have been scared to death to shower alone with a kid after what happened in 1998 but he continued to do it anyway. Yes he's guilty, I just don't fully understand what he did and who he did it to. That said, I don't believe all of the accusations are legit. I have to question when people originally say that nothing happened but change their story when a money grubbing attorney pays for repressed memory therapy and promises a multi $ million paycheck. It's naive to think that none these people would never lie (or at least embellish their story) in order to become an instant millionaire.

I also don't accept the fact that C/S/S (and Joe) are the only guilty parties.

• If MM thought a kid was being sexually assaulted he should have done a lot more than slam a locker.
• JM & Dranov should have done more.
• Raykovitz should have been all over this. In fact, TSM should have had strict rules prohibiting any of their people from solo contact with troubled children.
• The AG, CPS, DPW etc. failed miserably for years.

It's a disgrace that this whole thing will forever be portrayed as a PSU problem while others (including child welfare professionals) are able to simply wash their hand of the whole mess.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

"Oh, Jerry was just bear hugging the kid in 98? And he was told not to shower with boys anymore? God bless him!!! Just a nice guy doing nice guy things!"

You think that was his thought process?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

"Oh, Jerry was just bear hugging the kid in 98? And he was told not to shower with boys anymore? God bless him!!! Just a nice guy doing nice guy things!"

You think that was his thought process?

No, I think that was DPW's "thought process" and WAS factually the conclusion they reached AND PUBLISHED you fargging obfuscating moron! DPW was TSM's/Sandusky's STATE-MANDATED Regulator, arbiter and named Subject Matter Expert & Authority under the applicable code (the PA CPS Law) in evaluating the circumstances of the 1998 Incident, not Schultz, you f'ing tool.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

1. I don't think MM told him (or Curley) about sexual assault. If he did, his dad, Dranov, and Joe all lied. It makes no sense that MM spilled his guts to C&S but wouldn't open up to his own father (that night or later).
2. I agree that Shultz should have had some low level suspicion even with MM giving a "soft" report because had some knowledge of the 1998 incident.
3. C/S/S failed miserably in their administrative duties. An organization the size of PSU should have clear policies on how to handle this kind of issue. They should have documented MM's statement in writing (they could still keep it confidential). That way there is no way MM's report should be up for debate 10 years later.
4. I'm OK with Curley talking directly with JS to hear his side before going directly to the agencies. I would expect JS's response to have been documented as well. It obviously was not documented and that's another failure.
5. These failures aside, I haven't seen any evidence that PSU covered things up in order to protect football. They told Raykovitz, they didn't tell MM to keep quiet, they discussed MM's report with counsel, and they allowed JS to return to campus (just not with kids). And that's what this case (sanctions, media reports, etc) is all about. It's not about PSU administrators screwing up. It's about football being more important than child welfare.

Wrt Sandusky I definitely believe he had a problem. He should have been scared to death to shower alone with a kid after what happened in 1998 but he continued to do it anyway. Yes he's guilty, I just don't fully understand what he did and who he did it to. That said, I don't believe all of the accusations are legit. I have to question when people originally say that nothing happened but change their story when a money grubbing attorney pays for repressed memory therapy and promises a multi $ million paycheck. It's naive to think that none these people would never lie (or at least embellish their story) in order to become an instant millionaire.

I also don't accept the fact that C/S/S (and Joe) are the only guilty parties.

• If MM thought a kid was being sexually assaulted he should have done a lot more than slam a locker.
• JM & Dranov should have done more.
• Raykovitz should have been all over this. In fact, TSM should have had strict rules prohibiting any of their people from solo contact with troubled children.
• The AG, CPS, DPW etc. failed miserably for years.

It's a disgrace that this whole thing will forever be portrayed as a PSU problem while others (including child welfare professionals) are able to simply wash their hand of the whole mess.

Agree with most of it. We'll never know what words MM used to those guys....just not going to know. I'll add that what made this about PSU was PSU. Firing Joe instead of suspending everyone pending the actual legal outcomes would have helped. Instead they fire him and basically produce a report saying it was covered up for football while holding a PC to grandstand on. Basically the OG BoT said...look at them and just pointed the finger. Nothing else to see here..bad men covered up for football. A ton of people should have done more...couldn't agree more. Also agree on a ton of agency/system failures as well as TSM sneaking away without a trace. Good post and I agree with the vast majority of it.

 

[getmyjive11]

No, I think that was DPW's "thought process" and WAS factually the conclusion they reached AND PUBLISHED you fargging obfuscating moron! DPW was TSM's/Sandusky's STATE-MANDATED Regulator, arbiter and named Subject Matter Expert & Authority under the applicable code (the PA CPS Law) in evaluating the circumstances of the 1998 Incident, not Schultz, you f'ing tool.

Did DPW have the info about 2001 like Schultz did? If not, who failed to inform them?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

1. I don't think MM told him (or Curley) about sexual assault. If he did, his dad, Dranov, and Joe all lied. It makes no sense that MM spilled his guts to C&S but wouldn't open up to his own father (that night or later).
2. I agree that Shultz should have had some low level suspicion even with MM giving a "soft" report because had some knowledge of the 1998 incident.
3. C/S/S failed miserably in their administrative duties. An organization the size of PSU should have clear policies on how to handle this kind of issue. They should have documented MM's statement in writing (they could still keep it confidential). That way there is no way MM's report should be up for debate 10 years later.
4. I'm OK with Curley talking directly with JS to hear his side before going directly to the agencies. I would expect JS's response to have been documented as well. It obviously was not documented and that's another failure.
5. These failures aside, I haven't seen any evidence that PSU covered things up in order to protect football. They told Raykovitz, they didn't tell MM to keep quiet, they discussed MM's report with counsel, and they allowed JS to return to campus (just not with kids). And that's what this case (sanctions, media reports, etc) is all about. It's not about PSU administrators screwing up. It's about football being more important than child welfare.

Wrt Sandusky I definitely believe he had a problem. He should have been scared to death to shower alone with a kid after what happened in 1998 but he continued to do it anyway. Yes he's guilty, I just don't fully understand what he did and who he did it to. That said, I don't believe all of the accusations are legit. I have to question when people originally say that nothing happened but change their story when a money grubbing attorney pays for repressed memory therapy and promises a multi $ million paycheck. It's naive to think that none these people would never lie (or at least embellish their story) in order to become an instant millionaire.

I also don't accept the fact that C/S/S (and Joe) are the only guilty parties.

• If MM thought a kid was being sexually assaulted he should have done a lot more than slam a locker.
• JM & Dranov should have done more.
• Raykovitz should have been all over this. In fact, TSM should have had strict rules prohibiting any of their people from solo contact with troubled children.
• The AG, CPS, DPW etc. failed miserably for years.

It's a disgrace that this whole thing will forever be portrayed as a PSU problem while others (including child welfare professionals) are able to simply wash their hand of the whole mess.

In regards to your point #1 above, the State in their Indictment ludicrously claims that McQueary went to JVP to file a Criminal Complaint, including statements that he "saw" and "eyewitnessed" the anal-rape sexual assault of a 10 year old child, - he didn't go to JVP/PSU to file an Administrative HR Report (despite this claim of the OAG in their "33rd SWIGJ Presentment and Indictment" directly CONFLICTING with both MM's father and Dr. Dranov's testimony...and being provably false!). Mike was directly asked by Dr. Dranov initially if he would like Dr. Dranov to call Law Enforcement Authorities to the McQueary house....during the course of their conversation, the Police were not called and the reporting that MM pursued, PSU HR Report, was recommended by Dr. Dranov and Mike's Dad based on the REPORT that McQueary made to them!

Absolutely ludicrous and absurd (and patently FALSE) for the State to contend that MM went to PSU to make a "Criminal Report of eyewitnessing a CRIME IN-PROGRESS" when he made the report after-the-fact to PSU, eschewed two separate opportunities to call police while the event was still IN-PROGRESS (i.e., both at the scene and immediately following his experience at his father's house) AND Dranov, John McQueary and Mike McQueary have all testified that the entire topic of the discussion at the McQueary household was the "proper handling" of the matter and it was decided that Mike had not witnessed a crime (i.e., made an explicit decision not to call Police despite considering and discussing it) and decided that the proper handling was a PSU HR Report given the circumstances and that Mike's input that he wasn't sure what was going on and could only conjecture on the topic - concerns and conjecture based on sounds he heard, not what he saw.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Did DPW have the info about 2001 like Schultz did? If not, who failed to inform them?

Yes, DPW did have the information according to the ACTUAL CODE - i.e., PENNSYLVANIA LAW - we are talking about, you f'ing dumb@ss! Just because DPW's Direct Agent failed to fulfill their LEGAL OBLIGATIONS under the Law and to DPW, does not relieve DPW's responsibility from dealing with this NEGLIGENT and IRRESPONSIBLE contractor (to the tune of being DPW's largest Contract in Centre County!!!). There is no way on earth that PSU could even remotely guess that TSM would WILLFULLY break the law and their obligations to DPW when they made a "good faith" Report of the HR Matter to the "Primary Care & Custody Entity" of the child involved in the incident! LMFAO that you are still trying to claim no Report was made under the applicable Law, the PA Child Protective Services Law, when a qualifying report under the Law absolutely WAS MADE TO DPW and PSU wasn't even a "Mandatory Reporter" under the law and didn't even have to make the report that they did make (IOW, PSU made the Report because they thought the proper Authority on the matter should be informed -- the diametric OPPOSITE of the claimed cover-up and conspiracy of the LYING and Malicious Prosecution OAG!). But as per usual, you don't let things like ABSOLUTE FACTS get in the way of your FALSE, BULL$HIT CLAIMS!

 

[getmyjive11]

Yes, DPW did have the information according to the ACTUAL CODE - i.e., PENNSYLVANIA LAW - we are talking about, you f'ing dumb@ss! Just because DPW's Direct Agent failed to fulfill their LEGAL OBLIGATIONS under the Law and to DPW, does not relieve DPW's responsibility from dealing with this NEGLIGENT and IRRESPONSIBLE contractor (to the tune of being DPW's largest Contract in Centre County!!!). There is no way on earth that PSU could even remotely guess that TSM would WILLFULLY break the law and their obligations to DPW when they made a "good faith" Report of the HR Matter to the "Primary Care & Custody Entity" of the child involved in the incident! LMFAO that you are still trying to claim no Report was made under the applicable Law, the PA Child Protective Services Law, when a qualifying report under the Law absolutely WAS MADE TO DPW and PSU wasn't even a "Mandatory Reporter" under the law and didn't even have to make the report that they did make (IOW, PSU made the Report because they thought the proper Authority on the matter should be informed -- the diametric OPPOSITE of the claimed cover-up and conspiracy of the LYING and Malicious Prosecution OAG!). But as per usual, you don't let things like ABSOLUTE FACTS get in the way of your FALSE, BULL$HIT CLAIMS!

Did DPW receive a report about the 2001 incident?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Did DPW receive a report about the 2001 incident?

You know the answer there. This isn't horseshoes or hand grenades or seven degrees of Kevin Bacon.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

1. I don't think MM told him (or Curley) about sexual assault. If he did, his dad, Dranov, and Joe all lied. It makes no sense that MM spilled his guts to C&S but wouldn't open up to his own father (that night or later).
2. I agree that Shultz should have had some low level suspicion even with MM giving a "soft" report because had some knowledge of the 1998 incident.
3. C/S/S failed miserably in their administrative duties. An organization the size of PSU should have clear policies on how to handle this kind of issue. They should have documented MM's statement in writing (they could still keep it confidential). That way there is no way MM's report should be up for debate 10 years later.
4. I'm OK with Curley talking directly with JS to hear his side before going directly to the agencies. I would expect JS's response to have been documented as well. It obviously was not documented and that's another failure.
5. These failures aside, I haven't seen any evidence that PSU covered things up in order to protect football. They told Raykovitz, they didn't tell MM to keep quiet, they discussed MM's report with counsel, and they allowed JS to return to campus (just not with kids). And that's what this case (sanctions, media reports, etc) is all about. It's not about PSU administrators screwing up. It's about football being more important than child welfare.

Wrt Sandusky I definitely believe he had a problem. He should have been scared to death to shower alone with a kid after what happened in 1998 but he continued to do it anyway. Yes he's guilty, I just don't fully understand what he did and who he did it to. That said, I don't believe all of the accusations are legit. I have to question when people originally say that nothing happened but change their story when a money grubbing attorney pays for repressed memory therapy and promises a multi $ million paycheck. It's naive to think that none these people would never lie (or at least embellish their story) in order to become an instant millionaire.

I also don't accept the fact that C/S/S (and Joe) are the only guilty parties.

• If MM thought a kid was being sexually assaulted he should have done a lot more than slam a locker.
• JM & Dranov should have done more.
• Raykovitz should have been all over this. In fact, TSM should have had strict rules prohibiting any of their people from solo contact with troubled children.
• The AG, CPS, DPW etc. failed miserably for years.

It's a disgrace that this whole thing will forever be portrayed as a PSU problem while others (including child welfare professionals) are able to simply wash their hand of the whole mess.

IOW, there was ZERO "Probable Cause Evidence" for 100% of the Indictments brought against C/S/S for Perjury, Obstruction of Justice and Conspiracy and the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" which was used as the basis for 100% of these indictments was INTENTIONALLY FRAUDULENT and diametrically misrepresented MM's, JM's and Dr. D's actual SWIGJ Testimony in regards to all of these Counts and Indictments!

• MM never testified that he "saw" and "eyewitnessed" the anal-rape of a 10 year old child that night - nor did he EVER say that he told ANYONE that he "saw" or "eyewitnessed" such a thing.
• MM, JM and Dr. D testified that the "proper handling" of the incident was the primary topic of their conversation and it was agreed by all 3 parties that Police did not need to be called based on Mike's account and the proper way to handle it would be an AFTER THE FACT HR Report to Mike's employer via his direct supervisor at Mike's earliest convenience.
• Never was there a conspiracy to not report the incident outside of PSU or try to keep anybody quiet and the matter was IN FACT reported outside PSU to a proper authority under the prescripts of the applicable code, PA CPS Law!

So what you have basically just said is that the OAG Maliciously Prosecuted PSU as part of their own CONSPIRACY to make this all about PSU, while SHIELDING and PROTECTING the actual law-breakers and parties who enabled Sandusky for decades, not just in 2001 - DPW, DPW's Centre County CYS Office and TSM (who was not only a DPW/CYS regulated and licensed charity, but also DPW/CYS's largest contractor in Centre County!!!).

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Did DPW receive a report about the 2001 incident?

Again, under the applicable PA Law, yes they FACTUALLY did! You're really succeeding in your never-ending efforts to take stupid to new heights....

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

1. I don't think MM told him (or Curley) about sexual assault. If he did, his dad, Dranov, and Joe all lied. It makes no sense that MM spilled his guts to C&S but wouldn't open up to his own father (that night or later).
2. I agree that Shultz should have had some low level suspicion even with MM giving a "soft" report because had some knowledge of the 1998 incident.
3. C/S/S failed miserably in their administrative duties. An organization the size of PSU should have clear policies on how to handle this kind of issue. They should have documented MM's statement in writing (they could still keep it confidential). That way there is no way MM's report should be up for debate 10 years later.
4. I'm OK with Curley talking directly with JS to hear his side before going directly to the agencies. I would expect JS's response to have been documented as well. It obviously was not documented and that's another failure.
5. These failures aside, I haven't seen any evidence that PSU covered things up in order to protect football. They told Raykovitz, they didn't tell MM to keep quiet, they discussed MM's report with counsel, and they allowed JS to return to campus (just not with kids). And that's what this case (sanctions, media reports, etc) is all about. It's not about PSU administrators screwing up. It's about football being more important than child welfare.

Wrt Sandusky I definitely believe he had a problem. He should have been scared to death to shower alone with a kid after what happened in 1998 but he continued to do it anyway. Yes he's guilty, I just don't fully understand what he did and who he did it to. That said, I don't believe all of the accusations are legit. I have to question when people originally say that nothing happened but change their story when a money grubbing attorney pays for repressed memory therapy and promises a multi $ million paycheck. It's naive to think that none these people would never lie (or at least embellish their story) in order to become an instant millionaire.

I also don't accept the fact that C/S/S (and Joe) are the only guilty parties.

• If MM thought a kid was being sexually assaulted he should have done a lot more than slam a locker.
• JM & Dranov should have done more.
• Raykovitz should have been all over this. In fact, TSM should have had strict rules prohibiting any of their people from solo contact with troubled children.
• The AG, CPS, DPW etc. failed miserably for years.

It's a disgrace that this whole thing will forever be portrayed as a PSU problem while others (including child welfare professionals) are able to simply wash their hand of the whole mess.

Your final paragraph:

It's a disgrace that this whole thing will forever be portrayed as a PSU problem while others (including child welfare professionals) are able to simply wash their hand of the whole mess.

Was engineered via clear conspiracy and an INTENTIONALLY FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and accompanying Indictments, which DIAMETRICALLY and intentionally misrepresented Mike McQueary's, John McQueary's and Dr. Dranov's actual testimony to the SWIGJ. Mike McQueary NEVER told ANYONE that he "saw" or "eyewitnessed" the anal rape of a 10 year old child, let alone go to PSU to make an "eyewitness Criminal Report" of such a thing, as proven by the testimony of not only Mike McQueary himself, but also Mike's Dad and Dr. Dranov!

Based on the actual factual record - not the INTENTIONALLY FRAUDULENT claims and evidence of the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" - there is ZERO "Probable Cause Evidence" supporting any of the Indictments brought against C/S/S, IOW "Malicious Prosecution". The level of corruption and belly-crawling filth in PA Government and the PA Judiciary is shocking and disgusting.

 

[no1lion99]

Again, under the applicable PA Law, yes they FACTUALLY did! You're really succeeding in your never-ending efforts to take stupid to new heights....

Is that your expert legal analysis?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Agree with most of it. We'll never know what words MM used to those guys....just not going to know. I'll add that what made this about PSU was PSU. Firing Joe instead of suspending everyone pending the actual legal outcomes would have helped. Instead they fire him and basically produce a report saying it was covered up for football while holding a PC to grandstand on. Basically the OG BoT said...look at them and just pointed the finger. Nothing else to see here..bad men covered up for football. A ton of people should have done more...couldn't agree more. Also agree on a ton of agency/system failures as well as TSM sneaking away without a trace. Good post and I agree with the vast majority of it.

More amusing bull$hit from Captain Absurdity -- anybody with even half a brain and the ability to paint-by-numbers, knows the FACTUAL RECORD clearly demonstrates that the "False Narrative" was created by Corbutt's absurd SWIGJ machinations (when an AG doesn't even need a SWIGJ to investigate a Charity reported to the AG by the Charity's State-Agency Licensor,DPW, to be acting fraudulently) ultimately resulting in the clearly INTENTIONALLY FALSE and FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment". Corbutt then used the FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and it's corruptly-created, conjured Indictments to hold a gun to the head of the cowardly, and politically-beholding, PSU OGBOT, enabling his Nov 2011 "Boardroom Putsch" of the PSU OGBOT and the insertion of his sycophant, Surma, to the Board Leadership.

Laughable to claim that the PSU OGBOT came up with the KNOWN LIE that Mike McQueary "saw" and "eyewitnessed" the anal-rape of a 10 year old child on the night of 2/9/2001; the clear FRAUDULENT lynch-pin to 100% of the "False Narrative" and 100% of the double-digit FRAUDULENT Indictments issued by the corrupt OAG for the purpose of "Malicious Prosecution". Mike McQueary NEVER "saw" or "eyewitnessed" what the OAG claims in the FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and its accompanying Indictments and IN FACT stated the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE to the "30th SWIGJ" that he testified before as confirmed by not only his direct testimony to the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment", but also:

• a 30th SWIGJ Grand Juror, Stan Bolton
• MM's own e-mail to the OAG within days of the National Press Conference release of the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and its accompanying Indictments.
• Sworn testimony by MM made multiple times "at trial" in a PA Court of Law at multiple trials.

 

[mn78psu83]

More amusing bull$hit from Captain Absurdity -- anybody with even half a brain and the ability to paint-by-numbers, knows the FACTUAL RECORD clearly demonstrates that the "False Narrative" was created by Corbutt's absurd SWIGJ machinations (when an AG doesn't even need a SWIGJ to investigate a Charity reported to the AG by the Charity's State-Agency Licensor,DPW, to be acting fraudulently) ultimately resulting in the clearly INTENTIONALLY FALSE and FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment". Corbutt then used the FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and it's corruptly-created, conjured Indictments to hold a gun to the head of the cowardly, and politically-beholding, PSU OGBOT, enabling his Nov 2011 "Boardroom Putsch" of the PSU OGBOT and the insertion of his sycophant, Surma, to the Board Leadership.

Laughable to claim that the PSU OGBOT came up with the KNOWN LIE that Mike McQueary "saw" and "eyewitnessed" the anal-rape of a 10 year old child on the night of 2/9/2001; the clear FRAUDULENT lynch-pin to 100% of the "False Narrative" and 100% of the double-digit FRAUDULENT Indictments issued by the corrupt OAG for the purpose of "Malicious Prosecution". Mike McQueary NEVER "saw" or "eyewitnessed" what the OAG claims in the FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and its accompanying Indictments and IN FACT stated the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE to the "30th SWIGJ" that he testified before as confirmed by

• a 30th SWIGJ Grand Juror, Stan Bolton
• MM's own e-mail to the OAG within days of the National Press Conference release of the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and its accompanying Indictments.
• Sworn testimony by MM made multiple times "at trial" in a PA Court of Law at multiple trials.

"anybody with even half a brain and the ability to paint-by-numbers" - that's good. See. You can demean and insult well without resorting to profanity.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Is that your expert legal analysis?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

More amusing bull$hit from Captain Absurdity -- anybody with even half a brain and the ability to paint-by-numbers, knows the FACTUAL RECORD clearly demonstrates that the "False Narrative" was created by Corbutt's absurd SWIGJ machinations (when an AG doesn't even need a SWIGJ to investigate a Charity reported to the AG by the Charity's State-Agency Licensor,DPW, to be acting fraudulently) ultimately resulting in the clearly INTENTIONALLY FALSE and FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment". Corbutt then used the FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and it's corruptly-created, conjured Indictments to hold a gun to the head of the cowardly, and politically-beholding, PSU OGBOT, enabling his Nov 2011 "Boardroom Putsch" of the PSU OGBOT and the insertion of his sycophant, Surma, to the Board Leadership.

Laughable to claim that the PSU OGBOT came up with the KNOWN LIE that Mike McQueary "saw" and "eyewitnessed" the anal-rape of a 10 year old child on the night of 2/9/2001; the clear FRAUDULENT lynch-pin to 100% of the "False Narrative" and 100% of the double-digit FRAUDULENT Indictments issued by the corrupt OAG for the purpose of "Malicious Prosecution". Mike McQueary NEVER "saw" or "eyewitnessed" what the OAG claims in the FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and its accompanying Indictments and IN FACT stated the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE to the "30th SWIGJ" that he testified before as confirmed by

• a 30th SWIGJ Grand Juror, Stan Bolton
• MM's own e-mail to the OAG within days of the National Press Conference release of the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and its accompanying Indictments.
• Sworn testimony by MM made multiple times "at trial" in a PA Court of Law at multiple trials.

Yea, the same Governor Tom Corbett who made these Public Statements from US Steel Plants, wearing a US Steel hard-hat, etc... (gee, what a jolly coincidence that USX CEO, Surma, was Corbutt's servile sycophant in Nov 2011.....and had been a big political supporter of his runs for AG, the Republican Gubernatorial Candidate and ultimately his run for Governor. Oh yea, the Chairman of TSM, Poole, was also a big political supporter of Corbutt's.....wow, so many strange "coinky-dinks"!).

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[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Yea, the same Governor Tom Corbett who made these Public Statements from US Steel Plants, wearing a US Steel hard-hat, etc... (gee, what a jolly coincidence that USX CEO, Surma, was Corbutt's servile sycophant in Nov 2011.....and had been a big political supporter of his runs for AG, the Republican Gubernatorial Candidate and ultimately his run for Governor. Oh yea, the Chairman of TSM, Poole, was also a big political supporter of Corbutt's.....wow, so many strange "coinky-dinks"!).

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Listen to this horses @ss on topics ranging from how he selected Louis Fact Freeh.....how he's not responsible for the unjust and massive damage that's been done to PSU - pathetic!

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[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Listen to this horses @ss on topics ranging from how he selected Louis Fact Freeh.....how he's not responsible for the unjust and massive damage that's been done to PSU - pathetic!

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Or how about these statements as to how PSU is responsible??? This outrage of his clearly explains why he didn't go investigate the ACTUAL PARTIES responsible for Sandusky's fraudulent philanthropic depredations in March 2009 or his stall tactic BS regarding the SWIGJ Application when the AG needs no SWIGJ authorization to investigate the accusations of a FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES at a Charity made by the Charity's Direct State-Agency Licensor, DPW!!! According to @ssface here, the FAILURE to monitor and regulate Sandusky's State-Licensed fraudulent philanthropic activities for accessing children (decades long accessing of children including not just his personal charity, TSM, but also State Adoption, State-Administered Foster Parenting, State-Administered Group Homes, etc...) is the responsibility of PA Universities??? What an f'ing obfuscating, lying, corrupt twit:

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[Chris92]

Why would Jerry not give the exact date? Several plausible explanations come to mind. He didn't know it, he was worried that this alleged V2 would know he wasn't that child if he had the right date, or Jerry is just trying to muddy the waters. This alleged V2 isn't the one who claimed he was 2001 victim, but rather went along with what his mother said.

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Thanks. But, that indicates the mother was responsible for the sliding on the floor part and the towel slapping, not necessarily the whole part about coming forward.

You didn't reply to the question about the janitor's testimony at trial. He described the locker room as having "3-4 stalls." The photos and diagram indicate there are exactly one. This description comes from a guy that cleaned that very locker room for two years. If he were asked to draw it, I imagine his version would be about as accurate as AM's, wouldn't you agree?

 

[getmyjive11]

Again, under the applicable PA Law, yes they FACTUALLY did! You're really succeeding in your never-ending efforts to take stupid to new heights....

No they didn't.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Thanks. But, that indicates the mother was responsible for the sliding on the floor part and the towel slapping, not necessarily the whole part about coming forward.

You didn't reply to the question about the janitor's testimony at trial. He described the locker room as having "3-4 stalls." The photos and diagram indicate there are exactly one. This description comes from a guy that cleaned that very locker room for two years. If he were asked to draw it, I imagine his version would be about as accurate as AM's, wouldn't you agree?

Well this guy has the ability to "selectively" know when this is or isn't important....and also has the unique ability to "just know" when proven liars did lie but are actually telling the truth overall; whereas, when proven liars are lying but always lie??? But this is not "hypocrisy", this is a unique talent that he and the corrupt PA OAG shared -- they're special, "they just know".

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

No they didn't.

Yes, they did Mr. "Not gonna let little things like facts get in the way of my continued wrong claim".... The Second Mile and its CEO FACTUALLY have an "Agency Relationship" with DPW/CYS under PA CPS Law. A report to TSM/Raykovitz was FACTUALLY a qualifying report under PA CPS Law to the proper PA Child Protection and Welfare Agency.

 

[royboy]

LaJolla Lion vs Franklin_Restores_TheTradition = Trench Warfare not seen since World War I

Is there an end in sight?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

No they didn't.

Shhh, he thinks it counts.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

LaJolla Lion vs Franklin_Restores_TheTradition = Trench Warfare not seen since World War I

Is there an end in sight?

Oh....he'll finally really lose it and get banned. I'm just bread crumbing him along now.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Yes, they did Mr. "Not gonna let little things like facts get in the way of my continued wrong claim".... The Second Mile and its CEO FACTUALLY have an "Agency Relationship" with DPW/CYS under PA CPS Law. A report to TSM/Raykovitz was FACTUALLY a qualifying report under PA CPS Law to the proper PA Child Protection and Welfare Agency.

BTW, here is the "definition" excerpted directly from the "Definition Subsection" of the PA CPSL Code:

§ 3490.4. Definitions.

The following words and terms, when used in this chapter, have the following meanings, unless the context clearly indicates otherwise:

Accept for service—The county agency decides on the basis of the needs and problems of an individual to admit or receive the individual as a client of the agency or as required by a court order entered under the Juvenile Act.

Agent of the county agency—A person who provides a children and youth social service either directly or under contract or through agreement with a county agency.​

TSM/Raykovitz did all kinds of "contract work" for DPW in regards to DPW programs such as Adoption and Foster Parenting.

 

[AvgUser]

"Oh, Jerry was just bear hugging the kid in 98? And he was told not to shower with boys anymore? God bless him!!! Just a nice guy doing nice guy things!"

Isn't that/this what everyone thought in 1998?

 

[BobPSU92]

Please take this opportunity to use the Ignore feature.

 

[AvgUser]

1. I don't think MM told him (or Curley) about sexual assault. If he did, his dad, Dranov, and Joe all lied. It makes no sense that MM spilled his guts to C&S but wouldn't open up to his own father (that night or later).
2. I agree that Shultz should have had some low level suspicion even with MM giving a "soft" report because had some knowledge of the 1998 incident.
3. C/S/S failed miserably in their administrative duties. An organization the size of PSU should have clear policies on how to handle this kind of issue. They should have documented MM's statement in writing (they could still keep it confidential). That way there is no way MM's report should be up for debate 10 years later.
4. I'm OK with Curley talking directly with JS to hear his side before going directly to the agencies. I would expect JS's response to have been documented as well. It obviously was not documented and that's another failure.
5. These failures aside, I haven't seen any evidence that PSU covered things up in order to protect football. They told Raykovitz, they didn't tell MM to keep quiet, they discussed MM's report with counsel, and they allowed JS to return to campus (just not with kids). And that's what this case (sanctions, media reports, etc) is all about. It's not about PSU administrators screwing up. It's about football being more important than child welfare.

Wrt Sandusky I definitely believe he had a problem. He should have been scared to death to shower alone with a kid after what happened in 1998 but he continued to do it anyway. Yes he's guilty, I just don't fully understand what he did and who he did it to. That said, I don't believe all of the accusations are legit. I have to question when people originally say that nothing happened but change their story when a money grubbing attorney pays for repressed memory therapy and promises a multi $ million paycheck. It's naive to think that none these people would never lie (or at least embellish their story) in order to become an instant millionaire.

I also don't accept the fact that C/S/S (and Joe) are the only guilty parties.

• If MM thought a kid was being sexually assaulted he should have done a lot more than slam a locker.
• JM & Dranov should have done more.
• Raykovitz should have been all over this. In fact, TSM should have had strict rules prohibiting any of their people from solo contact with troubled children.
• The AG, CPS, DPW etc. failed miserably for years.

It's a disgrace that this whole thing will forever be portrayed as a PSU problem while others (including child welfare professionals) are able to simply wash their hand of the whole mess.

Great Summary and commentary

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Isn't that/this what everyone thought in 1998?

Don't confuse him with facts such as the Final Published Report of the State Regulator and Licensor of the entity whose "Care and Custody" the child was under at the time of the incident!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Isn't that/this what everyone thought in 1998?

I see you're one of those un-reasoned, insane people that refuses to accept 2+2=5.... You just aren't enlightened like Bernie McCue, LaJolla Ly'in and GetMyAbsurdity.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Thanks. But, that indicates the mother was responsible for the sliding on the floor part and the towel slapping, not necessarily the whole part about coming forward.

You didn't reply to the question about the janitor's testimony at trial. He described the locker room as having "3-4 stalls." The photos and diagram indicate there are exactly one. This description comes from a guy that cleaned that very locker room for two years. If he were asked to draw it, I imagine his version would be about as accurate as AM's, wouldn't you agree?

Well this guy has the ability to "selectively" know when this is or isn't important....and also has the unique ability to "just know" when proven liars did lie but are actually telling the truth overall; whereas, when proven liars are lying but always lie??? But this is not "hypocrisy", this is a unique talent that he and the corrupt PA OAG shared -- they're special, "they just know".

Oh yea, according to this guy, we're also supposed to suspend the actual Judiciary Rules on this topic, regardless of whether it is a State's witness or Defense witness....when a party is caught having misrepresented "proven reality", it is suposed to negatively impact their credibility and RAISE "reasonable doubt" - this is not a "subjective scale" that Prosecutors get to determine. Heck, the OAG Prosecutors were bigger liars than the liars they had testifying - for instance, the OAG claims in their Indictments and the SWIGJ that produced and supported the Indictments that Mike McQueary testified to the SWIGJ that he "saw" and "eyewitnessed" the anal-rape of a 10 year old, which is a bald faced lie and misrepresentation - McQueary testified to the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE to the "30th SWIGJ" he testified before....McQueary stated that he didn't actually "see" or "eyewitness" such a thing when the OAG Prosecutor asked him this direct question and said he could only SPECULATE on the topic (which, but of course, the OAG then asked him to do....as well as to rate the strength of his speculation, which McQueary rated at a very soft "relatively sure" - whatever that means? And this inane line of irrelevant questioning and answers supposedly magically transformed this clear speculation into "eyewitness Probable Cause testimony" in the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment", when it PLAINLY WAS NOT as evidenced by THE FACT that the 30th SWIGJ, the one that actually heard the testimony, generated NO PRESENTMENT recommendation for Indictments....additionally, it was confirmed by a 30th SWIGJ Grand Juror that they clearly understood McQueary to have said he DID NOT "see" or "eyewitness" what the State claimed in the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment".).

 

[getmyjive11]

Yes, they did Mr. "Not gonna let little things like facts get in the way of my continued wrong claim".... The Second Mile and its CEO FACTUALLY have an "Agency Relationship" with DPW/CYS under PA CPS Law. A report to TSM/Raykovitz was FACTUALLY a qualifying report under PA CPS Law to the proper PA Child Protection and Welfare Agency.

Nope.

 

[getmyjive11]

Isn't that/this what everyone thought in 1998?

In talking about Schultz looking back at his notes regarding 98 after he learned about 2001.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Nope.

Wow, adamant refusal to accept proven facts is such a winning argument....LMFAO, fine work GetMyAbsurdity, your masters must be so proud of their servile, mindless, pud-sucking little drone.....

 

[getmyjive11]

Wow, adamant refusal to accept proven facts is such a winning argument....LMFAO, fine work GetMyAbsurdity, your masters must be so proud of their servile, mindless, pud-sucking little drone.....

Only you think it counts. DPW and CYS were never contacted. Deal with it.