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No Sex Scandal at Penn State, Just A "Political Hit Job"

In talking about Schultz looking back at his notes regarding 98 after he learned about 2001.

Yes, we got your pretzel-logic bull$hit about how Schultz would only look at his note at the onset of the investigation, not the ACTUAL FINAL REPORT of the governing Authority and Regulator of the entity responsible for the "Care & Custody" of the child at the time of the incident.

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Only you think it counts. DPW and CYS were never contacted. Deal with it.

Come on now...every knew in PA when you suspected abuse you called Jerry's charity...duhh. I think the DPW reported directly to them and Jack had a special badge. This wouldn't be a good idea still today, but he's dug in deep. Sorry about your kids...we called his charity where he brings in millions and they didn't act...who knew. Well they did act...don't forget these!!! He likes them tight.

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Come on now...every knew in PA when you suspected abuse you called Jerry's charity...duhh. I think the DPW reported directly to them and Jack had a special badge. This wouldn't be a good idea still today, but he's dug in deep. Sorry about your kids...we called his charity where he brings in millions and they didn't act...who knew.

Yes, very illogical to report it to the ENTITY responsible for BOTH the "Care and Custody" of the Child as well as the behavior of the TSM Counselor with the child at the time, an entity which had an Agency Relationship with PA's Child Protective Services Agencies - The Second Mile??? An entity LEGALLY REQUIRED to not only Report, but Investigate the incident in conjuction with, DPW. You funny Drone Boy -- this is nearly as good as your "Pennsylvania Law saying it was reported to DPW doesn't mean it was reported to DPW"..... You're really earning your stripes and moniker today GetMyInanity....
 
Yes, very illogical to report it to the ENTITY responsible for BOTH the "Care and Custody" of the Child as well as the behavior of the TSM Counselor with the child at the time, an entity which had an Agency Relationship with PA's Child Protective Services Agencies - The Second Mile??? An entity LEGALLY REQUIRED to not only Report, but Investigate the incident in conjuction with, DPW. You funny Drone Boy -- this is nearly as good as your "Pennsylvania Law saying it was reported to DPW doesn't mean it was reported to DPW"..... You're really earning your stripes and moniker today GetMyInanity....

a very good point indeed! why isn't this front page news? I think you have cracked the case.
 
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In talking about Schultz looking back at his notes regarding 98 after he learned about 2001.
The point is... it is very reasonable to think in 2001 that 2001 was an exact duplicate of 1998, especially when the ear-witness was too tongue-tied to tell anyone what he really thought he saw. The evidence presented suggests that this is exactly how CSS acted.

Zenophile has not chimed in this thread much, but his old standby referring to what is different about 2001 and 2011 is that the mountain of evidence available now was nowhere near as much in 2001.
 
Thanks. But, that indicates the mother was responsible for the sliding on the floor part and the towel slapping, not necessarily the whole part about coming forward.

You didn't reply to the question about the janitor's testimony at trial. He described the locker room as having "3-4 stalls." The photos and diagram indicate there are exactly one. This description comes from a guy that cleaned that very locker room for two years. If he were asked to draw it, I imagine his version would be about as accurate as AM's, wouldn't you agree?

The janitor incident clearly did not happen as described. It doesn't make sense on many levels, just like almost none of Zigs alleged V2 story makes sense. I didn't rely just on the diagram, but on placing his other testimony in context of the other evidence in the incident. The diagram is merely one piece of evidence.
 
The point is... it is very reasonable to think in 2001 that 2001 was an exact duplicate of 1998, especially when the ear-witness was too tongue-tied to tell anyone what he really thought he saw. The evidence presented suggests that this is exactly how CSS acted.

Zenophile has not chimed in this thread much, but his old standby referring to what is different about 2001 and 2011 is that the mountain of evidence available now was nowhere near as much in 2001.

Keep in mind that you are exchanging thought with a party whose logic as to why Curley's report to TSM/Jack-o doesn't count as a report under PA CPSL Code is that the applicable code, PA CPS Law, is wrong about itself...and therefore, because the Law is wrong about itself, it doesn't count as a Report under the Law. Oh that GetMyInanity, he's such a clever little troll, eeerrrrr.......I'm sorry, I forgot he's been adamant about the fact he isn't a troll and he's doing his logic contortions to defame PSU, PSU Football and anything PSU out of his undying, never-ending love for PSU.
 
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The point is... it is very reasonable to think in 2001 that 2001 was an exact duplicate of 1998, especially when the ear-witness was too tongue-tied to tell anyone what he really thought he saw. The evidence presented suggests that this is exactly how CSS acted.

Zenophile has not chimed in this thread much, but his old standby referring to what is different about 2001 and 2011 is that the mountain of evidence available now was nowhere near as much in 2001.
No, it's not reasonable. You have a guy who can't stop showering with boys, don't you think the average person would ask why? And that is without even bringing up the fact that MM and Paterno both testified that they conveyed a sexual component to this as well.
 
THE FACT that the 30th SWIGJ, the one that actually heard the testimony, generated NO PRESENTMENT recommendation for Indictments....additionally, it was confirmed by a 30th SWIGJ Grand Juror that they clearly understood McQueary to have said he DID NOT "see" or "eyewitness" what the State claimed in the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment".).

The 30th SWIGJ was never given a presentment to consider. Relevant dates from Moulton Report:

May 1 2009 -case assigned to 30th SWIGJ
March 2010 - draft presentment drawn up by Eschbach
Aug 12, 2010 - Fina denies presenting it to 30th SWIGJ
January 12, 2011 - Last session of the 30th SWIGJ
January 27, 2011 - Case resubmitted to the 33rd SWIGJ

I am surprised you failed to consider this in your expert legal analysis.
 
Schultz clearly had suspicions that JS was up to no good in 98 and was worried that there were other kids involved. After getting a report of him showering with a boy again (after almost getting charged in 98), do you think he went back to his notes and said "oh right... Jerry is just being weird. Nothing to worry about here!"

Is "almost being charged" the same thing as being "a little bit pregnant"? Almost being charged, IMO, would have resulted in Jerry being indicated by CYS and his access to children would have been restricted.

No, he thought Jerry is just being weird and if we don't do something, one of these kids is going to accuse him of something some day and PSU will get dragged into it.

They were worried about what might happen. But they weren't worried about what had happened. That's a huge distinction!

Just like Tim writing, "....I am uncomfortable going to everyone, but the person involved...." and people taking that to mean Tim was suggesting they keep things in house. And that is what it would have meant had Tim said 'anyone', rather than everyone. Instead it meant Tim was uncomfortable going behind Jerry's back. He felt it was right to inform him of what they were told.

As for Schultz's notes, has it ever been established whether those were his thoughts, or was he just jotting down notes based on a conversation he had with Harmon?
 
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No, he thought Jerry is just being weird and if we don't do something, one of these kids is going to accuse him of something some day and PSU will get dragged into it.

They were worried about what might happen. But they weren't worried about what had happened. That's a huge distinction!

Just like Tim writing, "....I am uncomfortable going to everyone, but the person involved...." and people taking that to mean Tim was suggesting they keep things in house. And that is what it would have meant had Tim said 'anyone', rather than everyone. Instead it meant Tim was uncomfortable going behind Jerry's back. He felt it was right to inform him of what they were told.
Gary's notes in 1998 clearly show worry about what had already happened and if there were more kids. And you have not even addressed the fact that MM and Paterno told CS about it being if a sexual nature... which they did.
 
No, it's not reasonable. You have a guy who can't stop showering with boys, don't you think the average person would ask why?...
Most people would think that a young man and a middle aged man had just worked out and wanted to clean up.
 
The 30th SWIGJ was never given a presentment to consider. Relevant dates from Moulton Report:

May 1 2009 -case assigned to 30th SWIGJ
March 2010 - draft presentment drawn up by Eschbach
Aug 12, 2010 - Fina denies presenting it to 30th SWIGJ
January 12, 2011 - Last session of the 30th SWIGJ
January 27, 2011 - Case resubmitted to the 33rd SWIGJ

I am surprised you failed to consider this in your expert legal analysis.

Ahhhh, citing a tautology....such fine "legal analysis". SWIGJ's are one-sided and the entire goal of the "one-side" (i.e., The State - the OAG in this case) is to generate Indictments which cannot be done without a Presentment. IOW, had Mike McQueary actually testified as the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" claims - i.e., as an "eyewitness" who stated he "saw" the things the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and its accompanying Indictments claim, when he testified to the 30th SWIGJ, the "30th SWIGJ" would have produced a Presentment and Indictments.

The reason the "30th SWIGJ" didn't produce a Presentment allowing the production of Indictments is that Mike McQueary NEVER testified as the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" claims he did - McQueary, in fact, testified in the opposite fashion that he DID NOT "see" or "eyewitness" the crime cited by the OAG Prosecution in their "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and accompanying Indictments, not that he did "see" and "eyewitness" it. We know this from the record including:
  • McQueary's actual testimony to the "30th SWIGJ".
  • A Grand Juror who sat on the "30th SWIGJ" and confirmed that MM testified to not seeing or eyewitnessing it.
  • McQueary's e-mail stating as much sent to the OAG within days of their public release of the Presentment and its accompanying Indictments
  • And finally, from multiple sworn statements McQueary made "at trial" including that he did not see or eyewitness what the state claimed he said he "saw" and "eyewitnessed" in their "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and accompanying Indictments AND for good measure, he not only said he didn't see or eyewitness these things, but added that he never told ANYONE he had.
Given these facts, and your ever so prescient "legal analysis", could you tell us why The State Prosecutors - Corbutt's Porn-Brigade OAG - did the following in their "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and accompanying Indictments:
  • Lied about how Mike McQueary testified to the "30th SWIGJ" claiming the diametric opposite of how he actually testified?
  • Claimed an "eyewitness" as Probable Cause Evidence in support of multiple Indictments, an "eyewitness" that NEVER existed, and the OAG knew NEVER existed? (including all of the Perjury, Obsturction of Justice and Conspiracy charges given that the OAG's "slight of hand" Presentment trickeration claimed he reported this same thing to PSU as detailed in THIS PIECE BY jimmyw -- IOW, this was the "Probable Cause" and "particulars" for the Perjury Charge that supposedly was the motivation for the Obstruction and Conspiracy charges....
Given that 100% of the OAG's "Probable Cause" in the C/S/S Indictments [and the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" absolutely was cited as the Probable Cause for those Indictments] was a FALSE CLAIM by the OAG, and not just a FALSE CLAIM but the diametric opposite of what McQueary actually reported to the "30th SWIGJ" and states what he said to the "30th SWIGJ" is the opposite including multiple times under oath at trial, don't you think it's a rather absurd thing to claim as the Probable Cause and "particulars" in a Perjury Indictment??? If that isn't "Malicious Prosecution" in the extreme, I don't know what is considering that the only thing the defense needs to do is show that The State is lying when they say they have an "eyewitness" of any kind to the crimes they've cited - be a little hard for the State to claim Curley and Schultz made Perjurious statements relative to "eyewitness statements" that never occurred and said "eyewitness" never existed, wouldn't you agree Mr. "legal analysis"?

BTW, do tell how the "30th SWIGJ" could have brought a Presentment that stated what the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and its accompanying Indictments claimed, when McQueary testified to the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE of the claims by the OAG in the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment (i.e., didn't "eyewitness" or "see", NOT that he did "eyewitness" and "see") - again, confirmed by not only Mike McQueary himself, but also a Grand Juror on the "33rd SWIGJ"??? Be a little difficult for the "30th SWIGJ" to bring a Presentment saying McQueary eyewitnessed these things when he told the "30th SWIGJ" the diametric opposite, no Mr. "legal analysis"? Or are you attempting to claim that The State is permitted to produce FRAUDULENT Probable Cause in support of an Indictment (and Fraudulent "particulars" in regards to the Perjury) just because it's a SWIGJ and SWIGJ generated Indictments? I'm confused Mr. "legal analysis" could you help me out?
 
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That's sworn testimony. I believe MM and Paterno... sorry that you don't.

Not relevant evidence though as Paterno's statement is obtuse in terms of claiming what McQueary said he "saw" and "eyewitnessed" - McQueary has already testified in court multiple times that he didn't "see" and "eyewitness" such things and only ever obtusely conjectured about them. Furthermore, he's testified that he told Paterno less even in regards to his obtuse conjecturing than he told others. So you are full of $hit that it is actual admissible evidence in a court that even remotely comes close to proving that McQueary told Paterno that he "saw" and "eyewitnessed" the crimes the OAG has cited (anal-rape sexual assault), which is what would be required given the OAG's Indictments and cited Probable Cause and "Particulars" on the Perjury counts. In FACT, we know for certain that McQueary never said he saw these things because McQueary has stated with his own mouth on at least 3 separate occassions in a PA Court of Law under oath, including the "30th SWIGJ" - the one he actually testified before - that he NEVER "saw" or "eyewitnessed" the things claimed by the OAG in their "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and accompanying Indictments AND, for good measure, added that he NEVER told ANYONE he had.
 
you are creepy

Or I would think it's a kid and his father. The point is that to normal people, there is no sexual component to a man and a boy. So by itself, being naked is no big deal. If it was a man and a girl, I would think it was completely inappropriate. Maybe it's a generational thing. When you add physical contact to the equation, that changes things, but that's not to what I was responding.
 
Or I would think it's a kid and his father. The point is that to normal people, there is no sexual component to a man and a boy. So by itself, being naked is no big deal. If it was a man and a girl, I would think it was completely inappropriate. Maybe it's a generational thing. When you add physical contact to the equation, that changes things, but that's not to what I was responding.

Yes. You are actually, in fact extra creepy. With a side order of skeezy.

You put the physical contact aside like it's nothing.

This is not a YMCA. It wasn't 1975 or even 1985. This is not even an open campus shower room. And the adult was known to the witness, who fully well knew he didn't have any sons of that age.

Creepy. Skeezy.
 
Gary's notes in 1998 clearly show worry about what had already happened and if there were more kids. And you have not even addressed the fact that MM and Paterno told CS about it being if a sexual nature... which they did.

^^^^^ PSU football fan, so the appearance that this buffoon is an obvious troll on this topic is simply an illusion ^^^^

Yep. I heard it here.
 
That's sworn testimony. I believe MM and Paterno... sorry that you don't.
Paterno's is not sworn testimony.

MMs sworn testimony is all over the map.

You believe MM but then you do not believe his dad and Dranov, who countered one of MMs version of events.
You do not believe Curley and Schulz.
That is, shall we say, mighty convenient and selective parsing of commentary to support your position. On cross-examination, you get killed for your weak and unsupported claims.
 
Or I would think it's a kid and his father. The point is that to normal people, there is no sexual component to a man and a boy. So by itself, being naked is no big deal. If it was a man and a girl, I would think it was completely inappropriate. Maybe it's a generational thing. When you add physical contact to the equation, that changes things, but that's not to what I was responding.

Well, it was a "men's only" locker-room, so the presence of a female of any age would have unquestionably been inappropriate (no different than taking a woman into the Men's locker-room at the Y, Health Club or other similar athletic facility with sex distinguished locker-rooms).
 
Yes. You are actually, in fact extra creepy. With a side order of skeezy.

You put the physical contact aside like it's nothing.

This is not a YMCA. It wasn't 1975 or even 1985. This is not even an open campus shower room. And the adult was known to the witness, who fully well knew he didn't have any sons of that age.
Weird...yes. But only weird enough to cause the ear-witness to slam a locker.
 
East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet. Time to bury this thread. You are labeled a Free Jerry Cult follower or a member of the Hang JVP and the PSU 3 Congregation. It's an exercise in futility.
 
That's sworn testimony. I believe MM and Paterno... sorry that you don't.
"I don't know what you'd call it"
"I'm not sure what it was."

Joe was a witness in a grand jury. He was not given the opportunity for cross examination or asked by the prosecuting attorney to clarify his testimony. When he had that opportunity, he said MM didn't tell him anything similar to what was written in the presentment.

And no I don't believe MM. In fact, I would put MM in the same category as Alan Myers. I believe what they said for free and voluntarily. I don't believe what they said with $ millions on the line.
 
Yea, the same Governor Tom Corbett who made these Public Statements from US Steel Plants, wearing a US Steel hard-hat, etc... (gee, what a jolly coincidence that USX CEO, Surma, was Corbutt's servile sycophant in Nov 2011.....and had been a big political supporter of his runs for AG, the Republican Gubernatorial Candidate and ultimately his run for Governor. Oh yea, the Chairman of TSM, Poole, was also a big political supporter of Corbutt's.....wow, so many strange "coinky-dinks"!).






This was a real low, all around,

What a fat ass piece of shit.
 
Yes. You are actually, in fact extra creepy. With a side order of skeezy.

You put the physical contact aside like it's nothing.

This is not a YMCA. It wasn't 1975 or even 1985. This is not even an open campus shower room. And the adult was known to the witness, who fully well knew he didn't have any sons of that age.

Creepy. Skeezy.
You can't read.
 
"I don't know what you'd call it"
"I'm not sure what it was."

Joe was a witness in a grand jury. He was not given the opportunity for cross examination or asked by the prosecuting attorney to clarify his testimony. When he had that opportunity, he said MM didn't tell him anything similar to what was written in the presentment.

And no I don't believe MM. In fact, I would put MM in the same category as Alan Myers. I believe what they said for free and voluntarily. I don't believe what they said with $ millions on the line.

Save yourself the trouble with this circle jerker. He is clearly an intellectually limited individual and is pure troll on this topic.
 
Weird...yes. But only weird enough to cause the ear-witness to slam a locker.

And certainly didn't "see" and "eyewitness" what was claimed by the OAG or he would have either:
  • Gone to the kid's rescue himself, or
  • Called Police/911 from his office (probably before he called his dad, but certainly immediately following his conversation with his dad....frankly, his dad would have told him to call Police/911 if he told his dad a 10 year old child was being raped when he spoke with him on the phone - his dad says he didn't say anything remotely like that, go figure?!?!), or
  • Unquestionably, the Police/911 would have been called if he told his dad and Dr. Dranov that he just left a child at Lasch with Sandusky who'd been anally raping the child moments before he left and has no idea what is going on now....but he left while the child was still isolated and in Sandusky's custody at Lasch!
For the corrupt OAG prosecutors to claim that he went to PSU to make an AFTER THE FACT "Criminal Report" that he "saw" and "eyewitnessed" Sandusky anally raping a 10 year old is simply beyond ridiculous, when McQueary eschewed two separate opportunities to report such a thing while the incident was still "In-Progress" (both at Lasch and moments later at his father's house) AND his father and Dr. Dranov testified that the entire purpose of their meeting with Mike was determine the proper handling of the matter dependent upon what Mike said...which ended up in a consensus not to call Police immediately, but rather make an AFTER THE FACT report to Mike's employer via his direct HR Supervisor. The corrupt OAG's Presentment and accompanying Indictments were made FRAUDULENT, because they otherwise would have been plainly absurd on their face had the OAG not lied and sensationalized the documents.
 

Except the Ducks have still failed to explain why the OAG intentionally lied in the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" in regards to how Mike McQueary actually testified to the "30th SWIGJ" despite numerous requests to explain how this is either ethical or legal given that the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" was used as the Probable Cause (and "particulars" in Case of Perjury claim) on the issued Indictments.
 
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