Oblis Observations - The Silver Lining

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

• As I feared, Lions didn't take KY seriously, weren't excited about the Citrus Bowl and didn't show up. I guess there are levels of grey between "meaningless" and "meaningful" games.
• The Fake punt was simply nuts. I am not sure why CJF feels the need to play the underdog. Perhaps he sensed the team wasn't into it and wanted to show them that this was all in. But the fake punt, at that point, was very high risk and gave KY all the momentum in the world.
• This team, as they've been all season, was up and down. At one point, you felt like "how did we beat Pitt?' and the next "man, wish we could play Ohio State again".
• Have to give such respect to McSorley. I don't like to use the word "warrior" but this kid is it. I'f follow him into battle anytime.
• The rest of the team phoned it in. You have to have a chip. You have to feel that it is win or die. You have to feel like you will NOT lose no matter what. These guys were on holiday.
• An example of this was Tommy having surgery early so he could be in top shape for spring ball. That decision, made on balance and need, left us with no second team QB. Clifford was in over his head. That was a choice...because this game wasn't important. I doubt that choice is made if we are in the Rose or a championship game.
• Two really ugly penalties taken..didn't look good (targeting and the push OOB) . Windsor being suspended really, really hurt as well. We were very very thin at DT.
• Not sure why CJF is so married to Koa. I guess, in one respect, it is great he likes the upper classmen and it gets noticed. On the other....well. Brooks brought the wood on one play...looking forward to seeing more of that.
• Dropped passes? I think it is time to "move on" at WR. A one-year experiment was enough for me to see.
• I've got no problem with kicking the FG late. Its a 50/50 call. But with our FG kicker taking the night off, I'd have opted to go for it. Especially because, if you don't make it, you've got them pinned deep with 4:30 to go. But I understand kicking it and expecting to get the ball back. But our DL was LB corp was whipped, at that point.
• There was little senior leadership on this team. Basically, it was Trace and ?. It is the seniors, playing in their last game, that keep these bowls together. Trace can't do it all. There was no senior leadership on Defense. Zero.
• So, after a four-loss season, one has to wonder: Was CJF's success tied to the best RB the world has seen play college ball in a decade? What happens next year without Trace? Personally, I believe someone will step up.
• I believe the future is still bright. I think CJF needs to do something else at the OL coach position. I don't think these guys have progressed. I am still not sure about the OC but we played with 1/2 of a starting QB and a second team kid that we now know was hurt all season. So it was an injured Trace, injured Stevens, or Clifford. I just don't know what to think about Sanders. One minute he looks good, the next he looks tentative and scared. No way he's NFL ready.
• Lots of talent leaving the B1G so we have every shot at the B1G title next year. So, I am hopeful that the younger kids learned a lesson. Show up at 100% with an all in, can do attitude. There are lots of good teams in college ball and it will take a full effort to win. You can't be moping that you had to wait in line at Space Mountain all week.

Edit: Not sure why special teams suck. With the recruiting talent CJF has brought in, we should be up to speed but we are not. Perhaps a new ST coach?

Good write up and I share many sentiments - I tried to fight the good fight with regard to kicking the FG instead of going for it late (I still contend having two UK players 'go down' on that drive for extended periods sort of took the juice out of our momentum) and while I still think it was a good call, in hindsight I would probably have been happier if he just went for it. If you fail, you have them pinned deep and know (or should know) they're going to feed Snell until his ugly-assed tattooed belly is full. Sell out the run and get the ball back - play for the win. Anyway, I'm excited for next season - especially at QB. I love Trace but he was off this year and I think his injuries hurt us in more than a few games. I'll also note our 2nd down pass play at the end was batted down - Clifford or Stevens should have a lot fewer of those (hopefully). We do need to get better on the OL - everyone knew Allen was the best player on their defense and we failed to block him on more than on one occasion.

Anyway, most stunning to me is Thompkins letting a ball go over his head when he could catch it at the 20. Isn't that PR 101?? ST needs a sea change.

 

[BBrown]

I don't think the team mailed it in or took Kentucky too lightly, Kentucky may have had a bit more motivation due to their terrible football history and finally having a decent year, but our kids played hard, and other than special teams, outplayed Kentucky IMO.

We missed two field goals and allowed a punt return for a touchdown. Special teams let us down. That was the difference in the game. Coaching should be accountable for that phase of the game for sure.

Our offense out gained and out scored Kentucky. Not sure why everyone is on Rahne's case. He doesn't drop passes, and he doesn't miss blocks. Give Kentucky some credit, they have a pretty good/talented defense. We still had more splash plays then they did.

Clifford dropped a dime to Thompson who dropped the ball. he did not look in over his head to me. The QB room should be interesting this spring.

The defense played pretty well for most of the game. The loss of Windsor hurt for sure, especially at the end with 4 min. to go with us needing the ball back. Not sure why these kids can't just abide by the rules, but that's why their kids. Hopefully some of the younger tackles will develop over the winter, spring and summer to give us more quality depth. Will be interesting to see if 69 moves back to guard or if he stays at DT.

Parsons is still learning. While leading the team in tackles, he still takes bad angles at times, does not get off blocks at times and is out of position at times. when he puts it all together, he is going to be something special. #13 is getting better and better. Should be some serious competition this spring at linebacker.

The loss was disappointing, but it was a very entertaining game. We should be pretty good next year, if Tommy stays healthy and prepares the way Trace did, but I would also be ok with Clifford.

People need to relax and enjoy the ride.

Good post. Only thing I'll add in regards to RR is do better than targeting our best WR 2 times the entire game.
That was FUBAR.

 

[BBrown]

Good write up and I share many sentiments - I tried to fight the good fight with regard to kicking the FG instead of going for it late (I still contend having two UK players 'go down' on that drive for extended periods sort of took the juice out of our momentum) and while I still think it was a good call, in hindsight I would probably have been happier if he just went for it. If you fail, you have them pinned deep and know (or should know) they're going to feed Snell until his ugly-assed tattooed belly is full. Sell out the run and get the ball back - play for the win. Anyway, I'm excited for next season - especially at QB. I love Trace but he was off this year and I think his injuries hurt us in more than a few games. I'll also note our 2nd down pass play at the end was batted down - Clifford or Stevens should have a lot fewer of those (hopefully). We do need to get better on the OL - everyone knew Allen was the best player on their defense and we failed to block him on more than on one occasion.

Anyway, most stunning to me is Thompkins letting a ball go over his head when he could catch it at the 20. Isn't that PR 101?? ST needs a sea change.

LOL, I was watching the game with a few couples. (BTW I really only like watching a PSU game by myself or being at the game). Anyway there were more than a couple of comments by the woman and a few guys that Snell was not a very nice looking man (thats putting it kindly). They showed his dad and the comments were He wasn't a bad looking man and then they showed the mother...yikes.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

2018 in a nutshell:

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

LOL, I was watching the game with a few couples. (BTW I really only like watching a PSU game by myself or being at the game). Anyway there were more than a couple of comments by the woman and a few guys that Snell was not a very nice looking man (thats putting it kindly). They showed his dad and the comments were He wasn't a bad looking man and then they showed the mother...yikes.

LOL - I was trying to suggest his tattoo was 'ugly-ass', not necessarily him - but, funny that you guys had that conversation .

 

[ftlpsu]

In Joe's day, individuals were held accountable for their actions. Unfortunately, in many aspects of society today - the everyone gets a trophy generation - not just with our football team - everywhere - there is not a sense of accountability, only a sense of entitlement.

And this is the Root of the problem with a lot of things related to not just PSU football but our society.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

FWIW, 247's Mark Brennan thinks the FG was the right call:

Complain all you want about PSU choosing to go for the field goal down 27-21 with 4:12 left in the game. But the defense was playing well and the Lions still had four timeouts left. In my view, it was the percentage play rather than trying to convert a fourth-and-7. But then UK handed to Benny Snell eight straight times and he did JUST enough to muscle out a pair of first downs.

 

[SR108]

Agree with some of what you wrote but I don't like singling out that 4th and 5 against OSU. It didn't work and wasn't blocked well. But it wasn't a horrible call. IIRC there was a 3rd and 10 deep in KU territory and we ran Sanders for a 1st down. It was a great play, why? because it worked. If it hadn't you would be adding that to your list.
My biggest issue with RR is some of his game plans. I'll start with the MSU game. It was just a horrible design.
And yesterdays game didn't give me a lot of confidence he is going to get any better.
Our best and biggest play maker gets "targeted" 2, yep thats right 2 times all game and both were big plays by him. That is completely unnaceptable and to me a much much bigger problem than the 4th down play against OSU.

Yes Galiano has to go.

I agree that #1 needs to get his hands on the ball more. Not sure why he did not yesterday. I’m sure he was an option on all of the RPOs, but He has to be open if Trace is going to through to him. Would like to see more jet sweeps/reverse/quick screens to #1.

 

[BBrown]

LOL - I was trying to suggest his tattoo was 'ugly-ass', not necessarily him - but, funny that you guys had that conversation .

yea I think at that point we were just bitching. LOL.

 

[SR108]

FWIW, 247's Mark Brennan thinks the FG was the right call:

Complain all you want about PSU choosing to go for the field goal down 27-21 with 4:12 left in the game. But the defense was playing well and the Lions still had four timeouts left. In my view, it was the percentage play rather than trying to convert a fourth-and-7. But then UK handed to Benny Snell eight straight times and he did JUST enough to muscle out a pair of first downs.

Yep, give Kentucky credit, when they had to, they ground it out against a hot and tired front seven, missing an all BigTen DT. With four min remaining and three time outs and Trace in charge it was the correct decision. The fake punt on the first drive? Not so much.

 

[drblue1977]

Circumstances were totally different for JVP, for sure. And not to rile up the anti-Joe crowd here, but the guy was a very very good coach. All of the details were taken care of with him. I don't see that yet. In his prime, Paterno teams did not repeat the same mistakes for an entire season. It just didn't happen. Right now, it is happening. Special teams mistakes, blown coverages in the secondary by the safeties, missed blocking assignments by the OL. This is not news. It's been the same the entire year. These things have nothing to do with the fact that we had sanctions 4 years ago.

And yeah, constant dropped passes are a coaching issue to some extent. Fumbling is a coaching issue to some extent. If they can't catch, then stop throwing to them, period.

Can't believe JF stuck with JJ and ........#3. I wonder what would have happened in Dotson was in for the long Clifford pass? I doubt the KY staff would of remembered that play from earlier in the season.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Circumstances were totally different for JVP, for sure. And not to rile up the anti-Joe crowd here, but the guy was a very very good coach. All of the details were taken care of with him. I don't see that yet. In his prime, Paterno teams did not repeat the same mistakes for an entire season. It just didn't happen. Right now, it is happening. Special teams mistakes, blown coverages in the secondary by the safeties, missed blocking assignments by the OL. This is not news. It's been the same the entire year. These things have nothing to do with the fact that we had sanctions 4 years ago.

And yeah, constant dropped passes are a coaching issue to some extent. Fumbling is a coaching issue to some extent. If they can't catch, then stop throwing to them, period.

Some players didn’t develop as hoped, some didn’t perform as hoped at critical times and this year’s coaching staff simply isn’t as good as last year’s. Franklin lost a lot last offseason. We all should have known that. Looking at the record, it’s not too far off what many expected going in. But the team’s performance regardless of record wasn’t what most expected. The performance isn’t matching the roster talent.
So now that fans are frustrated, let’s raise ticket prices!

 

[drblue1977]

2018 in a nutshell:

That was one of too many...............................drops. Would have lit a small fire much earlier. However, JF would find a way to...........take it out of Trace's hands...................again! Think 4th and 5.

 

[Madsol]

yeah...the issue is offense. I really like Friermuth....in the Barkley mold but at TE. Can we play three TE's next year? Hamler looks and sounds like a leader but not sure if he can carry the load (physically). My guess is we lose Sanders so we need one of the younish RB's to step up. Tommy? Sean? Someone else?

I might get criticized for this, but we need Hamler to be a role player next year instead of our playmaker on offense. He is a nice player and can be a tough matchup in the slot but IMHO he is not explosive play in and play out. Now, he's young so he'll get bigger and stronger and maybe that will increase his explosiveness but I just don't see a player that would cause opposing defenses to have to scheme for him.

 

[CbusLion10]

Agree for the most part but I will take a huge issue with this >>Pry’s schemes are fine even if player development is average and fundamentals are poor,<<
The player development, IMO has been very good this season. Garret Taylor improved about 100% from the AP St. game. Parson's is getting better and better, I thought the other freshman LB'rs did well when they played. Johnathan Sunderland is another player that improved through out the season.

That’s fair, most of the defensive starters have progressed through their careers. My mind was stuck on a few older players who have played a lot of football but never really developed. I stand by my fundamentals comment though haha

 

[BBrown]

That’s fair, most of the defensive starters have progressed through their careers. My mind was stuck on a few older players who have played a lot of football but never really developed. I stand by my fundamentals comment though haha

Yea Koa and Polk and Thompkins are the players that stand out as not performing, especially Koa and DeAndre. SMH.
I'll add another that I thought got a lot better as the season wore on...Cam Brown.

 

[CbusLion10]

I might get criticized for this, but we need Hamler to be a role player next year instead of our playmaker on offense. He is a nice player and can be a touch matchup in the slot but IMHO he is not explosive play in and play out. Now, he's young so he'll get bigger and stronger and maybe that will increase his explosiveness but I just don't see a player that would cause opposing defenses to have to scheme for him.

Agreed. He’s lightning quick and plenty fast but he is not polished at WR and needs to get stronger. They also should not be relying on him to block on bubble screens. To be fair I think he was a little banged up for much of the year.

 

[royboy]

I might get criticized for this, but we need Hamler to be a role player next year instead of our playmaker on offense. He is a nice player and can be a tough matchup in the slot but IMHO he is not explosive play in and play out. Now, he's young so he'll get bigger and stronger and maybe that will increase his explosiveness but I just don't see a player that would cause opposing defenses to have to scheme for him.

Well, let's look at Hamler's stats for the year

41 catches
714 yards
17.4 yards/catch
5 TDs
**edit to add -- 3 carries for 33 yards...let's try that more
not to mention his value as a returner

And, it was his first year. Others need to step up for sure, but Hamler's role continues to be very important, and he should get MORE touches.

 

[sluggo72]

Circumstances were totally different for JVP, for sure. And not to rile up the anti-Joe crowd here, but the guy was a very very good coach. All of the details were taken care of with him. I don't see that yet. In his prime, Paterno teams did not repeat the same mistakes for an entire season. It just didn't happen. Right now, it is happening. Special teams mistakes, blown coverages in the secondary by the safeties, missed blocking assignments by the OL. This is not news. It's been the same the entire year. These things have nothing to do with the fact that we had sanctions 4 years ago.

And yeah, constant dropped passes are a coaching issue to some extent. Fumbling is a coaching issue to some extent. If they can't catch, then stop throwing to them, period.

see I dont think we miss blocking assignments. I think we assign kids to make impossible blocks, and therefore they miss.

 

[CbusLion10]

Yea Koa and Polk and Thompkins are the players that stand out as not performing, especially Koa and DeAndre. SMH.
I'll add another that I thought got a lot better as the season wore on...Cam Brown.

We will have to agree to disagree on #6. He may have improved some and we needed bodies there, but his play is very subpar. He hits but has abysmal tackling form (still), is too easily blocked, and is often out of position. Not to mention the penalties.

Brooks and Parsons look like they’ll be sophomore studs. All eyes on them for 2019.

 

[Raffycorn]

And this is the Root of the problem with a lot of things related to not just PSU football but our society.

How, exactly, is it relevant to Penn State football? Do you believe that this coaching staff doesn't hold players accountable?

 

[brupsu]

Clifford wasn’t in over his head. The OL and Thompkins sure were when he was in. He threw a perfect deep ball to Thompkins. He over-threw another pass. The sack wasn’t his fault. He was trapped.

Clifford just needs reps.His deep throws are money.Should be fun watching later this year.Only hope he gets meaningful playing time and not just the last five minutes.

 

[Madsol]

Well, let's look at Hamler's stats for the year

41 catches
714 yards
17.4 yards/catch
5 TDs

And, it was his first year. Others need to step up for sure, but Hamler's role continues to be very important, and he should get MORE touches.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you. He was far and away our most consistent WR, although not sure that's much of a compliment given that group this year. I'd like to see Shorter and George and Dotson emerge as the big time threats and allow Hamler to fill a niche, which I think he can do very well. IMHO, I just wasn't blown away by him as a playmaker, like I was, for instance, when I saw the freshman from Purdue a couple of times this year. Not a slam on Hamler at all. I like him a lot and think he will do a lot to help win games in the future.

 

[baircub1!]

• As I feared, Lions didn't take KY seriously, weren't excited about the Citrus Bowl and didn't show up. I guess there are levels of grey between "meaningless" and "meaningful" games.
• The Fake punt was simply nuts. I am not sure why CJF feels the need to play the underdog. Perhaps he sensed the team wasn't into it and wanted to show them that this was all in. But the fake punt, at that point, was very high risk and gave KY all the momentum in the world.
• This team, as they've been all season, was up and down. At one point, you felt like "how did we beat Pitt?' and the next "man, wish we could play Ohio State again".
• Have to give such respect to McSorley. I don't like to use the word "warrior" but this kid is it. I'f follow him into battle anytime.
• The rest of the team phoned it in. You have to have a chip. You have to feel that it is win or die. You have to feel like you will NOT lose no matter what. These guys were on holiday.
• An example of this was Tommy having surgery early so he could be in top shape for spring ball. That decision, made on balance and need, left us with no second team QB. Clifford was in over his head. That was a choice...because this game wasn't important. I doubt that choice is made if we are in the Rose or a championship game.
• Two really ugly penalties taken..didn't look good (targeting and the push OOB) . Windsor being suspended really, really hurt as well. We were very very thin at DT.
• Not sure why CJF is so married to Koa. I guess, in one respect, it is great he likes the upper classmen and it gets noticed. On the other....well. Brooks brought the wood on one play...looking forward to seeing more of that.
• Dropped passes? I think it is time to "move on" at WR. A one-year experiment was enough for me to see.
• I've got no problem with kicking the FG late. Its a 50/50 call. But with our FG kicker taking the night off, I'd have opted to go for it. Especially because, if you don't make it, you've got them pinned deep with 4:30 to go. But I understand kicking it and expecting to get the ball back. But our DL was LB corp was whipped, at that point.
• There was little senior leadership on this team. Basically, it was Trace and ?. It is the seniors, playing in their last game, that keep these bowls together. Trace can't do it all. There was no senior leadership on Defense. Zero.
• So, after a four-loss season, one has to wonder: Was CJF's success tied to the best RB the world has seen play college ball in a decade? What happens next year without Trace? Personally, I believe someone will step up.
• I believe the future is still bright. I think CJF needs to do something else at the OL coach position. I don't think these guys have progressed. I am still not sure about the OC but we played with 1/2 of a starting QB and a second team kid that we now know was hurt all season. So it was an injured Trace, injured Stevens, or Clifford. I just don't know what to think about Sanders. One minute he looks good, the next he looks tentative and scared. No way he's NFL ready.
• Lots of talent leaving the B1G so we have every shot at the B1G title next year. So, I am hopeful that the younger kids learned a lesson. Show up at 100% with an all in, can do attitude. There are lots of good teams in college ball and it will take a full effort to win. You can't be moping that you had to wait in line at Space Mountain all week.

Edit: Not sure why special teams suck. With the recruiting talent CJF has brought in, we should be up to speed but we are not. Perhaps a new ST coach?

16 point swing on special teams mishaps...2 missed/blocked field goals...Punt return for TD...fake punt leading to easy Kentucky FG...blame is on both players and coaching. Place greater blame on Coaching because this has been a constant theme throughout the year...The future is VERY bright for Penn State football. I do think this years team had very little or poor Senior Leadership sans Trace...no expert but just what I witnessed when attending various home games this year...

 

[mrtailgate]

FWIW, 247's Mark Brennan thinks the FG was the right call:

Complain all you want about PSU choosing to go for the field goal down 27-21 with 4:12 left in the game. But the defense was playing well and the Lions still had four timeouts left. In my view, it was the percentage play rather than trying to convert a fourth-and-7. But then UK handed to Benny Snell eight straight times and he did JUST enough to muscle out a pair of first downs.

I’ve already seen one reference to 4th and 4. Give it another week and people will be saying how couldn’t you go for it on 4th and 1. I’d still like people to say what play they would have run there in a passing down against a team with a player that might be the best pass rusher you saw the entire year against an OL that hasn’t performed well with a QB who has had more than a fair share of passes batted down and is 53% overall accurate with receivers who have dropped a ton of passes and who are not particularly skillful at 50-50 balls. But I understand going for it if you have no faith in your kicking game (which was reasonable given the day and season) or if you approach the game as anything and everything goes (which is often the case with the number of gadget plays run in lesser bowl games).

 

[ncgolfer]

• I believe the future is still bright. I think CJF needs to do something else at the OL coach position. I don't think these guys have progressed. I am still not sure about the OC but we played with 1/2 of a starting QB and a second team kid that we now know was hurt all season. So it was an injured Trace, injured Stevens, or Clifford. I just don't know what to think about Sanders. One minute he looks good, the next he looks tentative and scared. No way he's NFL ready.

Edit: Not sure why special teams suck. With the recruiting talent CJF has brought in, we should be up to speed but we are not. Perhaps a new ST coach?

I’ve seen enough. It’s time to move on from Limegrover. The line play stinks against the better teams and I have zero confidence that it will get any better with Limegrover as the coach. He’s had his chance. He needs to go. And Franklin has to address all these dropped passes.

 

[YorkCoLion]

Ok. Those years stunk. But only a fool would suggest that they were anything other than an anomaly. You obviously didn't watch the previous 25 years, when there was no bowl game that we weren't absolutely prepared for.

PSU was very prepared for this game, which I believe was in the time frame mentioned...

 

[Zone-Blitz]

Maybe for one season, Kentucky was just better. After all, they did have a win that was better than any win PSU had (Florida), and finished 10-3 while playing a SEC schedule. In the end, this PSU team was a very average one that didn't win any games that it was not supposed to win. More than likely, it would've lost at Iowa and Wisconsin if those games had been played there. Everything needs to improve next year, including the coaching and execution. I know that this was a young team, but many teams are "young" these days. This season was a minor step back in the progress of the program.

Great post. Consideration is never even thought of that the other guys were better and wanted to win too. It’s just easier to say “fire everybody “

 

[Dave1649]

@Obliviax .. agree with almost everything you said but don't know how you can say Clifford was in over his head .... he laid a perfect deep ball into our receiver's hands , who on cue didn't reel it in

 

[bytir]

Yeah, though only a sophomore next year, there is your leader on defense. He's got the ability and the fire.

And the fact that it took what -4 series before he was on the field is telling of the season.

 

[rohrmd9]

It's hard to get the kids up for each game.

Okay someone needs to explain this to me because I never understood this...you play one game a week...one, and you can't get excited for it?!?!? When I was a kid we spent the whole week in school designing plays to run that weekend during the sandlot football game with the neighboring kids...it's what kept me going during the school day. These kids are getting to perform at a high level on a national stage and they can't get up for a game once a week? I don't get it. I know the practices (and long season) is a grind but sheesh, how are you not fired up to finally get out on the field at the end of each week? Will never understand that mentality.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

I remember the Blockbuster bowl in 1992 was an embarrassing effort.

Bill Walsh was also a Hall of Fame coach.

So is Joe. But he stunk up the joint that night.

Nobody ever said he batted 1.000. Overall, though, he had a darned good average because the details were taken care of. I don't see the same attention to detail right now.

Don’t forget that we accepted a bid to the Blockbuster Bowl before the 1992 season began. We were quite possibly going to be without a bowl bid if we didn’t make that move because we shook the NCAAF world to its’ core when we announced we would be joining the B1G which ruffled a lot of feathers. That team was in limbo all year as we ended many traditional rivalries due to the scheduling challenges. Bill Walsh even stated that there were indications that PSU’s players weren’t into the traditional activities during the week leading up to the game. In his post-game interview, he said something along the lines of “that wasn’t your typical Penn State team today”.

 

[gogolion]

Regarding the young receivers, it seemed to me that when we finally started moving the ball in the 4th quarter it was the freshman receivers, (Dotson, Hamler and Shorter, oh and Friermuth) making most of the catches. The future is bright there, IMHO.

 

[DandyDonII]

1. The biggest problem I had with CJF's presser talking about all of the dropped passes and not being able to live with that. If he was serious about that, #3 would have never seen the field. Continuing to put him out there was essentially guaranteeing more dropped balls.
2. Hamler needed to be targeted more in this game, that's on RR. Since Hamler isn't the biggest guy, he can't be the focal point, but he does need more than 1 screen and one jet sweep....