Then it hit his arm because he was waving it in the air. Doesn't matter who he is pointing to, can't raise your arm. I don't understand why people argue this rule. It's crystal clear.
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Well the ones arguing and for it are Arsenal and Liverpool fans.
Doesn't matter
Doesn't matter why he raised his arm. the ball goes directly toward the ground. Pretty clear that it hit his arm.
Tottenham form
It's possible no club welcomed the end of the Premier League campaign more than Tottenham, a side ravaged by injuries and left depleted and visibly exhausted over the last two months. Remove the 1-0 victory over lowly Brighton that came only because of late heroics from Christian Eriksen, and the Spurs would have accumulated a record of 0-5-1 in their last six league matches. Tottenham weren't merely victims of misfortune following the halfway point of April. They played fatigued and, far too often, uninspired football throughout the spring. Logic suggests they can't get away with that vs. Liverpool.
It's possible no club welcomed the end of the Premier League campaign more than Tottenham, a side ravaged by injuries and left depleted and visibly exhausted over the last two months. Remove the 1-0 victory over lowly Brighton that came only because of late heroics from Christian Eriksen, and the Spurs would have accumulated a record of 0-5-1 in their last six league matches. Tottenham weren't merely victims of misfortune following the halfway point of April. They played fatigued and, far too often, uninspired football throughout the spring. Logic suggests they can't get away with that vs. Liverpool.
Bad call dive for sure BS by a Tots player.
Reason #1 why I hate the ref's who fall for this BS.
Reason #1 why I hate the ref's who fall for this BS.
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- Mohamed Salah and Divock Origi's second-half strike saw Liverpool beat Tottenham Hotspur 2-0 in the Champions League final on Saturday in Madrid.
The win in the all-English club affair secured Liverpool's sixth title in the competition, one year after losing the final to Real Madrid.
Tottenham had hoped the return of Harry Kane to the starting XI after a seven-week absence would lift them to glory in their first ever Champions League final appearance.
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Egyptian striker Salah, who was forced off in last year's final, smashed the ball down the middle of the goal to open the scoring although Spurs then steadied themselves after their nightmare start.
Liverpool's attacking full-backs Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson each came close to scoring later in the half while Tottenham, playing in their first Champions League final, struggled to create any chances.
Tottenham began the second half much improved but in the end could not break through Liverpool's defence for a score.
Origi sealed the win with a 87th minute after Tottenham failed to clear a corner kick, allowing the Joel Matip to pass it to the Belgian for the goal.
Possession don't mean shit when the better team converts its chances even with less time controlling the ball.
I am a United fan. It was a crap call. You don’t call a penalty in the first minute and essentially decide the game for the players. It should have gone to VAR where they would have seen it hit his chest.
There’s no reason VAR was used in the World Cup and not in the Champions League. It’s exactly for situations like that.
I'm not arguing VAR, I agree it should always be used. My argument is it was so clear that it hit his arm after his chest that VAR was never necessary. It was crystal clear. Also, I never understood the whole "it's too early in the game to make the correct call" argument. Why not just not count anything in the first 10 minutes, even goals? It makes no sense to me. The game is 90 minutes, all the same rules should apply across every minute of it.
Handling of the ball must come from a deliberate act. He was pointing at the defender behind him. That’s about as crystal clear as it gets. If he put his hand in an unnatural position in order to gain advantage or make himself bigger in order to block a shot then it’s a handball. He did not.
The referee made an impulsive decision early in the game when his adrenaline was flowing.
A better referee would have at least checked with the linesman and given himself time to think. A ref at that level should have known better.
Sissoko was pointing to a teammate before the shot even left his foot. If pointing to a teammate is considered a “deliberate attempt” to alter the shot, then, what’s next, just standing there with your arms by your side and the ball ricochets off your hand and it will be a penalty? It didn’t decide the game, however, as Spurs had no urgency when in scoring position.
Unless I just don't know the rule correctly, I always thought that deliberate handling was a penalty. However, even if not deliberate, the arm in an unnatural position is still a penalty. So, when the hand or arm is in an unnatural position it does not have to be deliberate. The fact that it is unnatural is sufficient enough to warrant the foul. Again, that was the way I thought the rule was stated. If not, then I'm wrong.
It's a tough call. He puts his hand up to direct teammates, then tries to get it out of the way, which results in his arm hitting the ball downward after it hits his chest. So did he intend to deflect the ball away with his arm? No. But did make a deliberate movement with his arm that cause the ball to be deflected? Yes. Regardless of whether it was right or wrong, you just can't put your arm out like that in the penalty area with the ball right in front of you. You're just asking for this to happen.
It was a great season for Tottenham. I'm really hoping they hang on to Poch and open the purse strings (I'll believe it when I see it) this summer.
As for Liverpool, congrats to you fans for an awesome season, one of the best in history. Can't say you didn't deserve the Cup, bad call or not.
It was a great season for Tottenham. I'm really hoping they hang on to Poch and open the purse strings (I'll believe it when I see it) this summer.
As for Liverpool, congrats to you fans for an awesome season, one of the best in history. Can't say you didn't deserve the Cup, bad call or not.
I don't think the "unnatural position" part is in the rule anywhere, but it's a standard that referees have used to determine whether an act was deliberate. So, basically, if the arm is in an unnatural position, they're willing to presume it was deliberate. But it's not a written rule, as far as I know.
That’s the problem. It seems very clear to me and also clear to you the other way. That means the rule isn’t clear enough. I think reasonable people can disagree on the issue, but there has to be a better way to write the rule so that there is no ambiguity. I have seen referees interpret “deliberate” as if a player has to declare before the play, “I am handling it, now” in order to call it a handball. Maybe it adds spice to the game, because it spurs debate, but there has to be an unambiguous way to write the rule.
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