Drexel School of Shysters is named after Kline. He bought the honor.IIRV, Tom Kline is tied closely to Ira, and has considerable university contributions (not to PSU). Too many moving parts for me, memory loss.
Drexel School of Shysters is named after Kline. He bought the honor.IIRV, Tom Kline is tied closely to Ira, and has considerable university contributions (not to PSU). Too many moving parts for me, memory loss.
Well playedJohn Lithgow?
Victim 5 testified that Sandusky tried to assault him in the Lasch showers sometime in 2001 - although I don't recall the date (if he testified to one). If they're calling V5, it could be to demonstrate that Spanier's actions in handling the McQueary report in February 2001 helped lead to the abuse of more children on Penn State property, or that more children were abused on Penn State property after their failure to properly handle the McQueary report.
Thanks A&L, I remembered and edited my post.Drexel School of Shysters is named after Kline. He bought the honor.
Maybe I'm having a dense day, but I'm still missing the connection. Even if MM says abuse, he never talked to Spanier. Unless there is some connection to Spanier, I don't get it. Wouldn't prosecution have to prove someone told Spanier of abuse and he didn't do anything or tried to hide it. That could be Curley and/or Schultz or someone else?
Well Schultz knew about '98 so I can see a connection, but he testified previously he didn't remember telling Spanier about '98, but thought Spanier would have known. As for 2001, Schultz said horseplay or wrestling and nothing criminal. Maybe his testimony changes? Seems maybe prosecution is going to try to connect '98 with '01.Tims testimony should be pretty benign compared to Schultz who will connect the dots to spanier. Schultz' testimony is going to be bad for spanier
Maybe it is Ziegler's plant. Now that would be something.I hope the surprise witness, or whatever you call it, is one of the 70s accusers. Of course I'm sure they're smart enough to know they Will get ripped to shreds on the stand.
What could "V5" add to the party vav Spanier - - - aside from tainting a Jury?What was victim's 5 relationship to Spanier? Or to Curley and Schultz?
I really like when someone gets "outside the box" with their thinking (especially in an "official" thread )!Maybe it is Ziegler's plant. Now that would be something.
I went to the link you provided Roxine then clicked on Jerry Sandusky at the bottom. To my surprise I didn't see any articles or comments from you about the organization that provided Jerry access to these kids, only articles about PSU admins and Joe Paterno. Why is that? If you're truly trying to understand the root cause then why wouldn't you be advocating for an investigation into TSM, CYS etc.?
"Tried" was a poor choice of words on my part, because the boy testified to multiple crimes taking place, and certainly seemed to believe that a further assault was imminent had he not ran away. Specifically, V5 testified that in 2001, Sandusky invited him to the Lasch building to "work out". After a short workout, Sandusky told the boy they should get in the sauna and then take a shower. The boy was uncomfortable in the sauna - where he testified that Jerry exposed himself - and when they in the shower, he saw Jerry's erection and moved to the furthest shower from Jerry. Jerry then approached him from behind, took the boy's hand, and made the boy grab his genitals. The boy ran out of the shower and waited for Jerry to be finished showering so he could go home."Tried" implies that a crime was attempted but did not occur? How can one understand that someone tried to commit a crime against them, but not understand that what was attempted was a crime? In which case you should go directly to the police.
Every victim could've been prevented if TSM/DPW/CYS had done their job before Penn State was involved. Yet Penn State, barely a contributing cause, gets all the scrutiny and everybody else skates. Children are no safer today than they were 10 years ago. This is all insanity.
I hope the prosecution presents an easy to understand chart b/c I see a lot of ties to Curley & Schultz, but not many to Spanier. Even Courtney. Didn't Schultz ask him for advice? So if it wasn't directed from Spanier, seems like another one separation testimony. By the end of the trial, Kevin Bacon may be called as a witness or charged.What could "V5" add to the party vav Spanier - - - aside from tainting a Jury?
And isn't Klein, the V5 attorney, buddies with our Unanimous Potentate - King Ira (whom Spanier was suing?)
The fella' who used $100,000,000 of our moola to buy Get Out of Jail Free cards for him and his buddies?
( "Leadership". )
LOL....... or cry
If "he be" the Mystery Guest - - - we've gone from the "surreal" to the ............ I don't know what word could describe it.......... the "Mother-F$cking Surreal"?
Has Steve Shelow testified publicly before?
In the McQueary whistleblower case.Has Steve Shelow testified publicly before?
Has Steve Shelow testified publicly before?
What was victim's 5 relationship to Spanier? Or to Curley and Schultz?
Will you be in attendance showing your support this week?
That would open an interesting door which unfortunately wouldn't be pursued during the trial. Or maybe it would. Say Schultz and Curley testify they told Spanier it was abuse. OK, but then they'll need to explain why TSM was told it was only "horseplay". Why the two different characterizations? Or was Heim lying when he said it was only reported as horseplay? A great defense tactic to rebut C/S would be to subpoena whoever received the report at TSM and ask them what they were told. Would they support C/S and thus destroy Heim's story? Or would they repeat what Heim said and thus damage the credibility of C/S?Let's say MM testifies he told Curley and Schultz it was abuse, but CS testify they said horseplay to Spanier. What difference does this make if MM didn't speak with Spanier? And if CS say they told Spanier it was abuse, why do they need MM?
OAG calling a "confidential witness" they would not name
I'd like to know too - does the Public get a seat First Come First Served? Or - do you get a day pass from the court administrator? If so - doors open at 8 am, so when does "the line" form & where exactly?
Confidential witness likely to be Victim 5 represented by Tom Kline.
If so, then what approach would you use to examine him?
I went to the link you provided Roxine then clicked on Jerry Sandusky at the bottom. To my surprise I didn't see any articles or comments from you about the organization that provided Jerry access to these kids, only articles about PSU admins and Joe Paterno. Why is that? If you're truly trying to understand the root cause then why wouldn't you be advocating for an investigation into TSM, CYS etc.?
Has ten times the fortitude as the other two.Full credit to Spanier: I was sure that he would take a plea and remain silent. Now take the stand Sir and break the silence.
Has ten times the fortitude as the other two.
I'm out. You can't even step out to take a leak. I'd hardly make it past "All rise, please."
They still have to pick the alternates in the morning, then it starts.So they picked a jury already? That seems fast.
Game on.They still have to pick the alternates in the morning, then it starts.
Calling Heim?That would open an interesting door which unfortunately wouldn't be pursued during the trial. Or maybe it would. Say Schultz and Curley testify they told Spanier it was abuse. OK, but then they'll need to explain why TSM was told it was only "horseplay". Why the two different characterizations? Or was Heim lying when he said it was only reported as horseplay? A great defense tactic to rebut C/S would be to subpoena whoever received the report at TSM and ask them what they were told. Would they support C/S and thus destroy Heim's story? Or would they repeat what Heim said and thus damage the credibility of C/S?
I will be there beginning Wednesday.
Wrong again...shocking.Full credit to Spanier: I was sure that he would take a plea and remain silent. Now take the stand Sir and break the silence.