Drexel School of Shysters is named after Kline. He bought the honor.
Official Graham Spanier trial thread.
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"Tried" implies that a crime was attempted but did not occur? How can one understand that someone tried to commit a crime against them, but not understand that what was attempted was a crime? In which case you should go directly to the police.
Every victim could've been prevented if TSM/DPW/CYS had done their job before Penn State was involved. Yet Penn State, barely a contributing cause, gets all the scrutiny and everybody else skates. Children are no safer today than they were 10 years ago. This is all insanity.
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Tims testimony should be pretty benign compared to Schultz who will connect the dots to spanier. Schultz' testimony is going to be bad for spanier
Well Schultz knew about '98 so I can see a connection, but he testified previously he didn't remember telling Spanier about '98, but thought Spanier would have known. As for 2001, Schultz said horseplay or wrestling and nothing criminal. Maybe his testimony changes? Seems maybe prosecution is going to try to connect '98 with '01.
Maybe it is Ziegler's plant. Now that would be something.
If only Spanier had witnessed it directly and done nothing for a decade. He'd be worth 8 figures.
What could "V5" add to the party vav Spanier - - - aside from tainting a Jury?
And isn't Klein, the V5 attorney, buddies with our Unanimous Potentate - King Ira (whom Spanier was suing?)
The fella' who used $100,000,000 of our moola to buy Get Out of Jail Free cards for him and his buddies?
( "Leadership". )
LOL....... or cry
If "he be" the Mystery Guest - - - we've gone from the "surreal" to the ............ I don't know what word could describe it.......... the "Mother-F$cking Surreal"?
I really like when someone gets "outside the box" with their thinking (especially in an "official" thread
)! "why have MM testify? Same reason to have a vic testify. As someone said retry the the JS trial.Spanier is the only one left standing and the jury will want a scalp.
"Tried" was a poor choice of words on my part, because the boy testified to multiple crimes taking place, and certainly seemed to believe that a further assault was imminent had he not ran away. Specifically, V5 testified that in 2001, Sandusky invited him to the Lasch building to "work out". After a short workout, Sandusky told the boy they should get in the sauna and then take a shower. The boy was uncomfortable in the sauna - where he testified that Jerry exposed himself - and when they in the shower, he saw Jerry's erection and moved to the furthest shower from Jerry. Jerry then approached him from behind, took the boy's hand, and made the boy grab his genitals. The boy ran out of the shower and waited for Jerry to be finished showering so he could go home.
I hope the prosecution presents an easy to understand chart b/c I see a lot of ties to Curley & Schultz, but not many to Spanier. Even Courtney. Didn't Schultz ask him for advice? So if it wasn't directed from Spanier, seems like another one separation testimony. By the end of the trial, Kevin Bacon may be called as a witness or charged.
The state will argue that Spanier's failures led to the victimization of Victim 5.
I believe this witness appeared. Edits the GJ and testified to one assault pre-98. Then he testified in Sandusky trial to one assault at PSU in August, 01.
My recollection is that this witness was represented by Tom Kline post GJ appearance. Psychologist and memory regression therapist engaged.
That would open an interesting door which unfortunately wouldn't be pursued during the trial. Or maybe it would. Say Schultz and Curley testify they told Spanier it was abuse. OK, but then they'll need to explain why TSM was told it was only "horseplay". Why the two different characterizations? Or was Heim lying when he said it was only reported as horseplay? A great defense tactic to rebut C/S would be to subpoena whoever received the report at TSM and ask them what they were told. Would they support C/S and thus destroy Heim's story? Or would they repeat what Heim said and thus damage the credibility of C/S?
Full credit to Spanier: I was sure that he would take a plea and remain silent. Now take the stand Sir and break the silence.
Go through the elements of EWOC and the points for charge on the verdict slip with EVERY single witness.
A good example of this was the George Zimmerman trial. The entire media thought that GZ was toast, but his attorneys put each and every State witness through each and every element of the charges. By the end of the trial, the jury had no option but to acquit.
Because those articles don't fit the agenda of most child abuse victim advocacy groups. These groups have used Penn State to bring attention to their cause. Sadly, those groups don't realize (or care surprisingly) that their agenda of "justice no matter who or what it unjustly damages" actually puts further children in danger by distracting society from the real problems that lie further beneath the surface of a popular scandal story.
I'm out. You can't even step out to take a leak. I'd hardly make it past "All rise, please."
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They still have to pick the alternates in the morning, then it starts.
Calling Heim?
That's one of the more interesting - and potentially useful - scenarios I've heard
Which means that the odds on the defense using that option - the way these cases have proceeded - at about one in a million
Alas
Anthony... perhaps a silly question but did the C/S plea surprise you ?
Do you think Graham is pissd at C/S or... that he understands especially given the situation everyone has been out in?
I hope Spanier or at least this trial exposes as much info as possible...
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