The Commonwealth Crime Syndicate is undefeated in political prosecutions. This is merely a show trial.
Official Graham Spanier trial thread.
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You said no way Spanier would go to trial...you were emphatic about it. Said he would cop a plea...you all but guaranteed it. Is that wrong enough?
UPDATE as I understand it:
Today we had 11 hours of jury selection, resulting in 12 jurors being seated. Tomorrow morning four alternate jurors will be selected. Opening arguments are scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM.
The prosecution will then begin presenting it's witnesses Tuesday morning and will do so throughout the day on Tuesday. They will continue with their witnesses on Wednesday as needed, and the defense will begin on Wednesday or Thursday. The trial is now expected to end by Friday.
This is all variable, of course, but this is what I know as of this evening.
Today we had 11 hours of jury selection, resulting in 12 jurors being seated. Tomorrow morning four alternate jurors will be selected. Opening arguments are scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM.
The prosecution will then begin presenting it's witnesses Tuesday morning and will do so throughout the day on Tuesday. They will continue with their witnesses on Wednesday as needed, and the defense will begin on Wednesday or Thursday. The trial is now expected to end by Friday.
This is all variable, of course, but this is what I know as of this evening.
If anyone is interested in reading Victim 5's testimony from the Sandusky trial, it is on pages 165-195 of the transcript from June 13, 2012.
If Victim 5 testifies and the defense raises some inconsistencies and/or questions in his testimony, it may help Sandusky's PCRA petition. I have a lot more confidence in the effectivenes of Spanier's lawyers of Timothy Lewis, Elizabeth Ainslie, and Bruce Merenstein than I do in Joe Amendola and Karl Rominger.
http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/SANDUSKY, GERALD 061312 JT.pdf
They're going on this, seriously? This still doesn't address what Spanier was or was not told about the shower incident. And the old repressed memory therapy (i.e. $$$) strikes again. What a complete pile of garbage this is. Any juror who buys this BS either has been, or needs to be, lobotomized.
If it is really a 1 1/2 day presentation by the Prosecution...... no need to even tune in
With what we already know is on the agenda - there is AT LEAST 1 1/2 days worth of C-J testimony on the docket.
If this truly be a 1 1/2 day prosecution case - the "slim" chance that this wouldn't be a "hand-lotion-and-Kleenex convention" is fading from "slim" chance to "less than slim" chance
Add in - if rumor comes to fruition - Mr Kline bringing HIS pony to the show........ God help us all
Of course - we could all be surprised - - - - it's just hard to overlook the 5 year track record
What a shit show
Just Fenchak via video conference
A jury of 7 women and 5 men has been selected for the trial.
http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...ify-for-prosecution-in-spanier-trial,1471615/
http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...ify-for-prosecution-in-spanier-trial,1471615/
Lundy I have asked around and no one seems to have seen one. I think I saw a report where sr Spanier will take stand, but I have seen no other.
Will the case go the way of Kathleen janes where the defense rests on its cross of other witnesses?
I don't have any answers. I know it will be roughly a week long trial.
Will the case go the way of Kathleen janes where the defense rests on its cross of other witnesses?
I don't have any answers. I know it will be roughly a week long trial.
I hope Victim 5 does testify. He was the one who initially testified about his "abuse" taking place in 1998, but then the shyster lawyers got a hold of him and had him change his story. The new story had his "abuse" taking place in 2001 after the McQueary incident so Penn St would be on the hook and he'd collect. The more you can get these guys talking, the better chance they'll trip up.
Ok even I find raykovitz on the witness list somewhat amusing. TSM testifying against PSU ....
It'll be interesting to see what Raykovitz' testimony will be, if they call on him. He can't testify in order to corroborate any possible C/S testimony that they told others of abuse. If he does that he'll blow TSM (and himself) out of the water since that organization took no action whatsoever. If he sticks to the story that TSM was only told of "horseplay" then he'll be impeaching the testimony of another prosecution witness. I'd think the prosecution would avoid TSM at all costs.
OTOH, maybe Raykovitz is on the list simply to play a mind game with the defense.
LOL! Be careful, you'll shoot your eye out shooting that stink-eye? @TenerHallTerror
Except there was no cover-up in this case, per the FEDS and per the PA Superior court, so what is your reason for interest in this case?
Is it to help charities NOT be like TSM, and help reform state agencies like DPW (who had to change their name to DHS protect the brand due to negative publicity) and local agencies like CYS to learn their obligations under the law?
I'm looking forward to cross-examination. This is where I think, even tho a plea deal was made, Curley and Schultz will finally be able to state truth for the record. Wondering if it's purposely part of the strategy in the two making a deal...
Why would you post information from "Fox News" instead of the actual trial documents?
Lots of "local news guys and gals" have been tweeting that since last Monday, but up until now it's been pure speculation.
JJ is going to channel Gricar. After all, he saw him being tossed down a mine shaft so has the closest psychic connection.
That she uses Fox News as a source shows you where her head is.
Is it normal to have have jury selection behind closed doors and did that actually happen? I saw that from a usually reliable source, who is NOT PA media or any other media.
I believe that jury selection is usually not done in open court to protect the identity of the jurrors. There may be some reporters present. I was selected for the Jane Orie corruption trial a couple of years ago and the questioning of perspective jurrors was done privately with the judge, lawyers, the court recorder, and 1 or 2 members of the media.
Does it make it harder for the defense to call Raykovitz if prosecution doesn't use him? I don't know much about how this works but I can't believe he will be brought out now by the state though he must be in their pocket. I do hope it doesn't prevent Spanier from trotting him out though.
I did reread Victim 5 testimony. If this is more about squaring the blame with PSU than about Spanier himself-Victim 5 testimony will do that. Overnight TSM camp on PSU campus, fifth grader, football games, workouts/sauna, Lasch showers-it's all taking place at PSU(except the car rides). And if they can provide proof somehow of August 2001 as the date...well...all of it feeds into the media narrative. When did the TSM overnight camps stop happening on University property?
Youre just a puppet on a string Roxine aren't you, or perhaps a willing collaborator directed by your masters to close some fictitious loop round CSS? Meanwhile those truly responsible go unabated and unpunished enabling an environment of status quo. Your folks did that, *by not truly caring about the truth and dragging those primarily responsible,CYS or TSM into the light. And why would you guys do that.......there's no money in it, thats of cours the reason. But just so you know, we see you Roxine. We know who you are, and when you get out of those cushy PTA meetings where they all have the same mindset, we should expect this sort of result. An empty one.
The history books, God willing, will write the true story and it will take a journalist of far greater ability to write it and it will not reflect well on you and your collaborators
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Wasn't he the only one who claimed he was sexually abused on his first encounter with Sandusky? This guy is not credible in my view.
I have no idea what Sandusky really is at this point, but I'm more confident than not that he did not sexually abuse anyone at the PSU facilities. He may have groomed them there, and I understand that's a form of abuse, but as far as an overt sexual act, I'm highly skeptical.
At worst, these guys were fooled by Sandusky and inadvertently put a kid in danger. More than likely, they're simply pawns in a much bigger story.
Unless I'm mistaken, I think Schultz and Jon McQueary knew each other relatively well. I never heard Dranov and Spanier had a relationship.
The main question remaining is will their Pennlive usernames be revealed after the guilty verdict? Could be a get out of jail free card.
I continue to wonder whether Raykovitz (and Genovese) cut a deal for immunity in exchange for being a Commonwealth witness.
I would assume the question would be asked - - - though I doubt that anyone would have to overtly promise anything - since it's been pretty clear for a decade that no LE entity wants to "go there"
Great point here. The commonwealth will make this about emotion. Spanier needs to stick with the law itself.
You know that as soon as the defense tries to attack the credibility of a victim, the judge will put an immediate stop to it.
