They were out to screw Penn State from the beginning.
OG Board and lawyers.
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I don't think they were out to screw Penn State per se. There were some who jumped at the opportunity to settle person grudges (i.e., Surma, Corbett) and Penn State just happened to be collateral damage. To those people it was worth millions of dollars and several ruined personal reputations to get their pound of flesh.
And certainly there was an incredible lack of vision and understanding of where the "let's move on" strategy was going to lead. Even if you give the BOT every benefit of every doubt, they failed to see the $60M fine, the sanctions, the many lawsuits and the fact that they had no idea how strong or, as it turns out weak, the cases against the administrators turned out to be.
No doubt.
Not that the "goal" was to "screw PSU", per se, but that the strategy of "screwing Penn State, as the ideal methodology to cover up their own malfeasance".....yes, absolutely.
Of that there should never have been much doubt - even from Day 1 - and certainly, now, there should be ZERO doubt left in any thinking person's mind.
And your theory as to what the motivation was? Surma's feelings got hurt by Joe? His brother didn't get enough playing time?
These are all pretty weak theories to support killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
These are all pretty weak theories to support killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Fraud, embezzlement, pedophilia, etc etc etc
Plenty of strong reasons why they threw up every desperate smokescreen they could find.
I hope you enjoyed your days in the Sun as they are quickly fading.
The goose with the golden egg is Penn State. That statement isn't even worthy of troll status. How much money did Mimi bring in with her "but it's not a conflict of interest because the board knew about it" rental agreement. Or Dambly and his cronies make on the 500k apartments. Or Merck save on their rebate on Vioxx (thanks to Corbut). Read the crap that Surma posted about Paterno and tell me he wasn't unhinged. If you believe 5% of the junk you post I feel sorry for you.
Well, actually - I think a strong case can be made for certain Trustees - those aging Buffalos on the board still trying to be BMOC and inserting themselves into areas - like Athletics. It's a control thing - an ego thing. Ira Lubert and his influence on wrestling for example - but you already knew that.
Since I'm not a sports fan - I have noticed since the shit hit the fan - how strongly sports media can create a narrative where one shouldn't really exist. The fascination & passion for a particular team, a coach, certain players - the petty rivalries among schools - so much of it can supersede and drown out all reason and logic with what should have been a commonwealth problem in our situation. I think a lot of male sports talking heads engage in more gossip and rumor-mongering than the harridans on daytime talk shows.
I don't think Surma thought out the consequences of his actions. He seized the opportunity to step over Steve Garban's body and finally ax Joe. We've discussed the dysfunction of the Board ad nauseum which would have allowed this.
To get back to the OP - I think if Corbett & Fina were able to carry off their political assassination with a sniper's accuracy - many would not be here discussing this. It would never have been about football, never involved the sports media, never expanded past the target.
But they didn't enlist a sniper.
They dropped an "incendiary device" a la the City of Phila and MOVE. And as result, they burned down the neighborhood and displaced an entire community of people. And they're never going to admit to that.
Unless the truths converge in this mess - they will continue to diverge.
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Well, the did kill the goose that laid the golden egg; both literally and figuratively.
Lets review:
- While Joe did exactly as he should have done, the BOT & Press laid this at his feet.
- The university is ~ $100,000,000 lighter, in cash. And probably lost another $100,000,000. That's vastly more money than the Catholic Church paid out.
- The Icon of the University, was crushed. Today, the university has no icon, or brand. Today, when the name Penn St. comes up, most people's first comment is "Pedo U" (good people, not trolls)
- Local stores paid a huge price. So did the alumni, students and faculty.
These are undeniable facts.
So you tell me, what was the motivation? If it was to "save" dear old State, I'd have to say that they missed that mark. What has been accomplished? And why?
meanwhile, TSM (who was informed of JS' weirdness on more than one occasion) got nothing. The state, who failed to monitor activities at TSM, got nothing (OK, Corbutt got his butt kicked and the state elected an incompetent Gov and AG). Nice job.
The BOT should have placed C S & JVP on leave pending investigation. They should have moved to exonerate Paterno, while the prosecutors did their thing against C S & S. Had they saved Paterno's reputation, they would have saved the heart and icon of PSU. Instead, they moved against him to settle scores and all are paying a public price (but not enough, IMHO).
I take it you are unfamiliar with hubris and the incredible damage it can cause. Maybe read, for starters, The Odyssey by Homer.
Everyone, other than Spanier was collateral damage. Spanier was Corbutt's target and JS was the point of the spear. Only problem was that the spear was nuclear tipped. It swallowed an entire community and backfired enough to catch Corbutt's political career. It continues to leak nuclear material gathering up porn Judges and others who were close enough to feel the blast. Others will still succumb to the after effects.
Personally I think that people who sent the train rolling down the tracks were focused solely on Paterno and Spanier, and they were taken by surprise when the oil train jumped the tracks and blew up the entire university.
That's how stupid they are.
All I can say about these theories (none of which have any proof) is ..... LOL!!!
Even if Surma had an axe to grind, he's only one guy. Most of the (as you refer to them) OGBOT worked closely with JVP, admired him, and were close to him for years. Some of the names you toss about as evil were actually quite supportive of JVP over those years. Yet the vote against him was still unanimous.
All of these wild theories - fraud, embezzlement, pedophilia, etc. are the ramblings of craziness. I can see some of you years from now taking Bernie McCue's place on the corner, carrying signs and hoping someone will listen to you. Its pretty sad, really.
Even if Surma had an axe to grind, he's only one guy. Most of the (as you refer to them) OGBOT worked closely with JVP, admired him, and were close to him for years. Some of the names you toss about as evil were actually quite supportive of JVP over those years. Yet the vote against him was still unanimous.
All of these wild theories - fraud, embezzlement, pedophilia, etc. are the ramblings of craziness. I can see some of you years from now taking Bernie McCue's place on the corner, carrying signs and hoping someone will listen to you. Its pretty sad, really.
There is proof that Surma's brother hated Paterno. I think that some Penn State football alums would also testify to John Surma's animus towards Paterno.
There is proof that Corbett was very angry with Spanier.
There is proof that Corbett encouraged the board to fire Paterno.
OK...fair enough....now release the data so we can see. No wonder all we have is "theories".
I understand disagreeing with firing JVP. You can criticize that as the wrong decision made hastily in the heat of the moment with the wolves at the door. But to take it a step further and attribute it to some sort of vast conspiracy involving the Governor, all the Judges, the entire BoT, etc. is simply crazy talk.
Feel the Bern...(McCue)!
Just in the interests of clarity, it was Wilson Goode who dropped a bomb on MOVE. Frank was out by then.
None of it was their money which makes it a lark.
technically it was commish Gregore J. Sambor who ordered the bombing but he had Goode's approval. Goode later tried to weasel out of responsibility and blamed it all on Sambor but that didn't work out too well for him.
You're really not able to get your point across without calling people cocksuckers or calling another poster a circle-jerking a-hole? I guess for you (and the three people that liked you), throwing around crude words and insulting others somehow adds to your argument.
I value accuracy over civility.
Sorry. (Well, really, not sorry, but it seemed like the nice thing to say
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It was Surma's brother's son, Seth.
Luv ya Wendy, but W. Wilson Goode was Mayor when the entry device was dropped. I was off that day. I watched the whole thing on TV.
I love your tenacity. Give 'em hell.
Along with old Tommy Corbutt and his lackey Linda Kelly
They hated Success With Honor because it was Joe's brain child. Jealousy and arrogance accounts for the rest.
Yeah but in the same post I read the word "harridan" for the first time and now I know what that is. That's a good one.
It wasn't Rizzo it was Goode that bombed Osage Ave and the Move members. He then had to pay millions of tax payer money to rebuild
I value accuracy over civility.
Sorry. (Well, really, not sorry, but it seemed like the nice thing to say
Not just to use PSU as a deflection mechanism and shield (e.g., a "foil", a "fall guy", a "mark", a "patsy", etc... - corrupt scumbags have plenty of nicknames for how they used PSU) in their "false narrative" cover-up to keep themselves, aligned public agencies and The Second Mile "clean" and free of investigation. But they also used PSU as an "Indemnification Insurance Company" replete with NDAs to muzzle anybody who potentially knew anything by negotiating a "pay off" using PSU's funds (this is almost certainly a violation of the BOT's Fiduciary Obligation as PSU had nothing whatsover to do with most of the victims via JS's convictions in terms of "liability" and "responsibility" -- keep in mind, 2 of the "victims" were declared "known but to God", PSU had zero to do with V1, etc....).
So not only did they use PSU as the "Fall Guy" in their blame-shifting and investigating-switching SWIGJ False Narrative "Foil", but they also used PSU as the "Bank" and "Indemnification Insurance Co" to provide the massive amount of $$$ to make all the muzzling payments to bury the event in lawsuits and "nondisclosure" (literally hundreds of millions of $$$s not even including the $100s of millions if not into the billions in damages they wrought to innocents with False Narrative and "All of PSU is Guilty" routine!!!).
Well when you're dealing with Corrupt Corbutt's lying, scumbag, corrupt stoolies (including the OG BOT), it definitely adds to the argument, because it identifies them for precisely what they are - IOW, providing transparency and factual clarity adds to the argument.
Not sure if you are gaming us on this response (as I think you know this), but the OP used Seth as Seth is sort of Elmo's nom de guerre. Or should I say that ELMO is really Seth's nom de guerre.......
"So not only did they use PSU as the "Fall Guy" in their blame-shifting and investigating-switching SWIGJ False Narrative "Foil", but they also used PSU as the "Bank" and "Indemnification Insurance Co" to provide the massive amount of $$$ to make all the muzzling payments to bury the event in lawsuits and "nondisclosure"
For sure.
I consider them part and parcel of the same act......"Whoring out the University" (if that language isn't too "sailor-ish" for some folks
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