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[marshall23]

"Maybe you haven't noticed but the news cycle in today's world is about 5 minutes so don't make it sound like this was some sort of sinister orchestrated event to maximize effect. Freeh could have held his press conference in a coal mine at four in the morning on Christmas eve and the press would have been there wearing miner's lanterns two hours in advance jockeying for position."-CR666

The advantage of Freeh holding the press conference in a mine would have been that NO AIR CONDITIONING would have been needed....

Zippy the boot licking Spinmeister.

 

[91Joe95]

Apparently, according to Zippy, freeh has information not contained in his final report that the OAG themselves isn't aware of (even though freeh didn't even have subpoena power and never spoke to any of the key players except Spanier at the last minute)....otherwise why would the most serious charges against CSS get quashed?? There's all this damning evidence yet the OAG had to resort to breaking the constitution with Baldwin fiasco, ex post facto, expired SOL, etc. just to charge CSS....riiiiiiight.

Apparently the zipster is alledging Freeh withheld info from the Ag's office. Not that I am a big fan of Freeh, but he doesn't seem that crazy.

 

[91Joe95]

"Maybe you haven't noticed but the news cycle in today's world is about 5 minutes so don't make it sound like this was some sort of sinister orchestrated event to maximize effect. Freeh could have held his press conference in a coal mine at four in the morning on Christmas eve and the press would have been there wearing miner's lanterns two hours in advance jockeying for position."-CR666

The advantage of Freeh holding the press conference in a mine would have been that NO AIR CONDITIONING would have been needed....

Hahahahaha!

I wonder if his ac is acting up? He seems even more chippy and less coherent than usual.

 

[Aoshiro]

Maybe you haven't noticed but the news cycle in today's world is about 5 minutes so don't make it sound like this was some sort of sinister orchestrated event to maximize effect. Freeh could have held his press conference in a coal mine at four in the morning on Christmas eve and the press would have been there wearing miner's lanterns two hours in advance jockeying for position.

That is 100% BS. Freeh's press conference was absolutely orchestrated to get the maximum possible exposure.
It is completely delusional to claim otherwise.

 

[91Joe95]

That is 100% BS. Freeh's press conference was absolutely orchestrated to get the maximum possible exposure.
It is completely delusional to claim otherwise.

I think its heat stroke.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

That is 100% BS. Freeh's press conference was absolutely orchestrated to get the maximum possible exposure.
It is completely delusional to claim otherwise.

Heat stroke caused by non-working air conditioning can lead to delusional outbursts.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

I think its heat stroke.

Haha! You beat me to it ...

 

[mn78psu83]

That is 100% BS. Freeh's press conference was absolutely orchestrated to get the maximum possible exposure.
It is completely delusional to claim otherwise.

Absolutely. They gave him an ex cathedra rostrum from which to make his public declaration that PSU was rife with moral turpitude.

 

[step.eng69]

Absolutely. They gave him an ex cathedra rostrum from which to make his public declaration that PSU was rife with moral turpitude.

WOW, tongue twisting post, mn78psu83

 

[mn78psu83]

WOW, tongue twisting post, mn78psu83

I was in the flow and forgot to proof read.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I have read it and I did not see where Freeh's attorneys admitted that the Freeh Report was bogus. Perhaps I missed that language?

I think you may have missed the following in the Brief: "....the Report, which on it's face, contains both statements of fact based on the documents and the testimony collected by the Defendants, as well as opinions based on those facts."

If you reread my post that is what I said; and let me remind you that I don't agree with all of Freeh's conclusions.

This whole emphasis by posters on this board ranting about Freeh's Report being only his opinion is misdirected. In a court proceeding, which this was not, evidence is presented to the trier of fact which then makes a determination as to what happened. In a criminal proceeding, where intent must be proven, the trier of fact either finds intent or not based on the facts. That determination is only an opinion since the trier of fact can not know what the defendant's mental process was. However this opinion can then form the basis for a conviction.

Freeh's Report cites certain facts from which he draws conclusions (opinions) as set forth in his report. Now you can argue that the conclusions are not reasonably supported by the facts and should be rejected, but rejection of those opinions can not be based on the fact that they were opinions.

Amusing how the prosecutors who actually produced the Presentment and Indictments unequivocally stated that the had ZERO EVIDENCE (e.g., "facts") that would suggest Paterno did anything whatsoever wrong or was INVOLVED in the allegations they made....."conclusions" regarding JVP and PSU Football based on on actual subpoena and search warrant powers of the ACTUAL parties involved and powers that Louis Fact Freeh did not have and only wildly conjectured about, and nothing else, relative to his conclusions regarding JVP and PSU Football. Prosecutor statements and conclusions that directly contradict your hero Louis Fact Freeh and his "conjectured" opinion conclusions regarding JVP and PSU Football!!!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Amusing how the prosecutors who actually produced the Presentment and Indictments unequivocally stated that the had ZERO EVIDENCE (e.g., "facts") that would suggest Paterno did anything whatsoever wrong or was INVOLVED in the allegations they made....."conclusions" regarding JVP and PSU Football based on on actual subpoena and search warrant powers of the ACTUAL parties involved and powers that Louis Fact Freeh did not have and only wildly conjectured about, and nothing else, relative to his conclusions regarding JVP and PSU Football. Prosecutor statements and conclusions that directly contradict your hero Louis Fact Freeh and his "conjectured" opinion conclusions regarding JVP and PSU Football!!!

Not to mention that the most serious allegations the prosecutors did make against PSU Administrators have been DROPPED without ever going to trial (and again, they NEVER made allegations against JVP and PSU Football as Fact Freeh did and,IN FACT, made statements that EXONERATED JVP and everybody involved from the PSU Football Program (e.g., JVP and MM)!!!

 

[GTACSA]

Amusing how the prosecutors who actually produced the Presentment and Indictments unequivocally stated that the had ZERO EVIDENCE (e.g., "facts") that would suggest Paterno did anything whatsoever wrong or was INVOLVED in the allegations they made....."conclusions" regarding JVP and PSU Football based on on actual subpoena and search warrant powers of the ACTUAL parties involved and powers that Louis Fact Freeh did not have and only wildly conjectured about, and nothing else, relative to his conclusions regarding JVP and PSU Football. Prosecutor statements and conclusions that directly contradict your hero Louis Fact Freeh and his "conjectured" opinion conclusions regarding JVP and PSU Football!!!

Well you have to admit that in the 1969 Orange Bowl we were fortunate to get that penalty against Kansas for 12 men on the field. Then in the Fall we had that terrible incident in the stacks at Pattee. And yet you ignore those FACTS and continue to emphasize the Arts Festival attendance.

Are you serious?

 

[Nellie R]

I have read it and I did not see where Freeh's attorneys admitted that the Freeh Report was bogus. Perhaps I missed that language?

I think you may have missed the following in the Brief: "....the Report, which on it's face, contains both statements of fact based on the documents and the testimony collected by the Defendants, as well as opinions based on those facts."

If you reread my post that is what I said; and let me remind you that I don't agree with all of Freeh's conclusions.

This whole emphasis by posters on this board ranting about Freeh's Report being only his opinion is misdirected. In a court proceeding, which this was not, evidence is presented to the trier of fact which then makes a determination as to what happened. In a criminal proceeding, where intent must be proven, the trier of fact either finds intent or not based on the facts. That determination is only an opinion since the trier of fact can not know what the defendant's mental process was. However this opinion can then form the basis for a conviction.

Freeh's Report cites certain facts from which he draws conclusions (opinions) as set forth in his report. Now you can argue that the conclusions are not reasonably supported by the facts and should be rejected, but rejection of those opinions can not be based on the fact that they were opinions.

Freeh's report conveniently OMITS plenty of facts. Enough to render it..... MOOT

 

[Nellie R]

Opinion...but it was "SOLD" to the media and the public as fact. Your line of reasoning is just more disingenuous BS. This whole affair from charges, grand jury presentment, the leak, Freeh and OG's reaction has been completely engineered at each stage by various parties from the very start.

"Your line of reasoning is just more disingenuous BS." Hope you were talking to GTACSA

 

[Nellie R]

Send lawyers, guns and money
The sh!+ has hit the fan

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Bravo Maestro! (Believe it or not, I've been restraining from using it. Every time I see the thread title, this is playing in my head).

 

[Nellie R]

Bring forth the information for folks to view.

Not the only info that CR66 needs to "Bring Forth"

 

[mn78psu83]

Bravo Maestro! (Believe it or not, I've been restraining from using it. Every time I see the thread title, this is playing in my head).

Cheers!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Well you have to admit that in the 1969 Orange Bowl we were fortunate to get that penalty against Kansas for 12 men on the field. Then in the Fall we had that terrible incident in the stacks at Pattee. And yet you ignore those FACTS and continue to emphasize the Arts Festival attendance.

Are you serious?

Put down the crack-pipe @sshole.....

 

[91Joe95]

Put down the crack-pipe @sshole.....

Cut him some slack, you try defending a report that even the author disavows.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Well you have to admit that in the 1969 Orange Bowl we were fortunate to get that penalty against Kansas for 12 men on the field. Then in the Fall we had that terrible incident in the stacks at Pattee. And yet you ignore those FACTS and continue to emphasize the Arts Festival attendance.

Are you serious?

PSU was "fortunate" to have Kansas called for a penalty for having "12 men on the field" participating on the defense after PSU snapped the ball??? In FACT, Kansas played the entire play on defense with 12 Defenders on the field of play - something which is UNEQUIVOCALLY against the rules the teams were playing under (actually a major penalty at the time since all 12 men participated in the entire play and never attempted to get off the field). Do tell, how is it "fortunate" that a Penalty was called on Kansas on an OBVIOUS Penalty (BJ counts players on defense on field every play - too many men on field almost always gets called)??? You're logic is consistently bizarre and flawed - how on earth was PSU "fortunate" that Kansas got called for a penalty that they UNEQUIVOCALLY and CLEARLY committed??? I'm confused, but then again you confuse everybody with half a brain with your absurd argumentation....

 

[Nellie R]

Yes

Thumps up. I'm still enjoying Warren Zevon at this point.

 

[GTACSA]

PSU was "fortunate" to have Kansas called for a penalty for having "12 men on the field" participating on the defense after PSU snapped the ball??? In FACT, Kansas played the entire play on defense with 12 Defenders on the field of play - something which is UNEQUIVOCALLY against the rules the teams were playing under (actually a major penalty at the time since all 12 men participated in the entire play and never attempted to get off the field). Do tell, how is it "fortunate" that a Penalty was called on Kansas on an OBVIOUS Penalty (BJ counts players on defense on field every play - too many men on field almost always gets called)??? You're logic is consistently bizarre and flawed - how on earth was PSU "fortunate" that Kansas got called for a penalty that they UNEQUIVOCALLY and CLEARLY committed??? I'm confused, but then again you confuse everybody with half a brain with your absurd argumentation....

You're confused all right and I won't comment further other than to say that I'll just shake my head for the next 2 or 3 days and smile when I think about this post of yours.

 

[PSU_Chicago]

good post. I heard the presser with Freeh on the radio and was outraged at Paterno and Penn State. Then, I read the report and wondered WTF I missed. I read the Baylor report and got the exact same wonder.

Me too.